View Full Version : What up wit McNair trippin'?
Tspot-D-Ravenator
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Is it just me or are there real problems with the Ravens QB's getting tripped up at the snap of the ball:229031_confused2: ? We had this problem with BOTH QB's last year and now McNair last night too? :229031_lastyr: I'm concerned:eek:
Ravenatic20
08-18-2006, 10:06 PM
It starts with an Fly, and ends with nn.
Both of Boller's happened with other centers, one and maybe both with Brown at C.
Tspot-D-Ravenator
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
I kinda figured that much. So could we really blame Kyle for tripping over his own feet at times last year? I couldn't blame him for trying to move a little more quicker so's not to be stepped on, thus tripping over his own feet! Seems as if Flynn has trouble getting up and balanced to begin his pass protection.....hmmmmm
Tspot-D-Ravenator
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Not last year though
bassgtrst
08-18-2006, 10:26 PM
maybe both with Brown at C.
I think that Thatcher Salazay played C after Flynn for the rest of the game.
I dont recall Brown being in at all. But I could be wrong. In fact I hope I am because right now is is our best young OL prospect.
Ravens0587
08-18-2006, 10:30 PM
who brown?
No way is he the best he is #3
Chris Chester #1
Adam Terry #2
bassgtrst
08-18-2006, 10:46 PM
You think?
I consider Chester a project. He played TE 2 seasons ago. He may be good in the future, but would you feel more comfortable with Brown or Chester joinging the line if a starter went down?
I can see Adam Terry. In fact he has started to turn it around this preseason against some damn good DL's.
It just seems to me that Brown has showed more in camp and OTA's than Terry.
I think that Thatcher Salazay played C after Flynn for the rest of the game.
Boller's trips were against the Giants, though. Brown did play some C that night, IIRC. In any case, the point was that these aren't all Flynn's doing.
StingerNLG
08-18-2006, 11:10 PM
Boller's trips were against the Giants, though. Brown did play some C that night, IIRC. In any case, the point was that these aren't all Flynn's doing.
Correct, they were both with Brown as center. But last year Flynn tripped up both Boller and Wright.
So then the question is, would this be someone teaching the wrong technique at the C position? (Cough cough offensive line coach cough cough)
Mobtown
08-18-2006, 11:23 PM
In any case, the point was that these aren't all Flynn's doing.
It's also safe to say that these are not all on Boller. Mac went down once last night, but he stumbled two more times that I noticed. There is definately something going on in the exchange between C and QB that needs to be addressed.
PurpleRulz
08-18-2006, 11:47 PM
During the Giants game, one trip was on Brown's feet. The other, Boller tripped on his own feet. Yesterday, McNair was tripped by Flynn.
I looked at both games several times.
-Boller was tripped up because he did not get out the snap fast enough. Joasn Brown just stepped back to provide pass blocking. That was on Boller. As I said, Boller stumbled over his own feet the second time, because no OL were standing near Boller during the second fall.
-In yesterday's game, Flynn was pushed back into McNair causing McNair to fall.
Boller's stumbles were both on Boller, however McNair's fall was on Flynn. I am not saying this as a pile on of Boller. It is what happened.
As much as we would like to see Chester or Brown in there at center, it looks like it will be Flynn this season. After listening to Marshall Faulk on NFL Network, vet runners and QBs do not like playing behind rookie OL. Faulk mentioned that OL is not a position that a rookie can just step onto the field and play. OL typically need two seasons. (See Levi Jones). JO only needed one season, but he's an exception, and JO broke in with vets on the line.
-Boller was tripped up because he did not get out the snap fast enough. Joasn Brown just stepped back to provide pass blocking. That was on Boller. As I said, Boller stumbled over his own feet the second time, because no OL were standing near Boller during the second fall.
-In yesterday's game, Flynn was pushed back into McNair causing McNair to fall.
Oh come on, McNair should be able to get away from C fast enough such that the DT can't push the C back into him. That is getting away from C too slowly.
Boller's stumbles were both on Boller, however McNair's fall was on Flynn.
I think if you read this and think about it you might realize your own bias regarding our QBs has clouded your judgement.
I think the notes above in regard to this being a coaching issue more than anything else is correct.
Mista T
08-19-2006, 09:50 AM
If I knew how to use the mod powers, this would now go over to "The Great QB Debate" forum. I'm still using training wheels.
It's going to be impossible to discuss "McNair" this season without someone comparing him to "Boller". :laugh:
ladyraven127
08-19-2006, 09:56 AM
I'm with you T . . . if I knew what to do, I'd move this too :crazy:
ladyraven127
08-19-2006, 09:58 AM
Hey, did it work? :cheeky:
ladyraven127
08-19-2006, 10:03 AM
:thumbup:
Brandon
08-19-2006, 10:17 AM
It's now over at the QB debate forum, and probably a forum I won't read much of. :laugh: ;)
Mista T
08-19-2006, 11:15 AM
During the Giants game, one trip was on Brown's feet. The other, Boller tripped on his own feet. Yesterday, McNair was tripped by Flynn.
There should just be a simple general rule among Ravens fans: if Boller trips, it's his fault. If McNair trips, it's Flynn's fault.:261695:
:mrt:
StingerNLG
08-19-2006, 12:13 PM
-Boller was tripped up because he did not get out the snap fast enough. Joasn Brown just stepped back to provide pass blocking. That was on Boller.
I'd be more into believing that if Boller didn't drop back everytime at the speed of sound. The guy drops back like he's avoiding a swerving car. I would say it's more likely Brown got pushed back than being faster than Boller heading backwards. That's why I can't pin that one on him. The second one on the other hand................
BirdFan
08-19-2006, 01:47 PM
The guy drops back like he's avoiding a swerving car.
More like avoiding a Flynn (or whomever is playing center at the moment).
I'm inclined to agree with the comment that there's a technique problem/coaching issue with the snaps.
lance1086
08-20-2006, 02:44 PM
There should just be a simple general rule among Ravens fans: if Boller trips, it's his fault. If McNair trips, it's Flynn's fault.
T, what the guy said was true. Boller blatantly tripped over his own feet once, and was stepped on by Brown once. McNair's trip was due to Flynn; Steve had guys falling on his legs (not just feet), before he even took a step back).
Losac
08-21-2006, 12:33 PM
It's still a big problem and needs to be corrected.
T, what the guy said was true. Boller blatantly tripped over his own feet once, and was stepped on by Brown once. McNair's trip was due to Flynn; Steve had guys falling on his legs (not just feet), before he even took a step back).
Actually, according to the coaches Brown was at fault in both of Boller's trips. This according to Keith Mills this morning on WBAL.