GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

[Sephy]

Hey guys! Let's have some fun for Troy's first start, even if it doesn't mean much. GO RAVENS!

:jester:

[Galen Sevinne]

71 minutes until kick off. Cheese dip, guacamole and chips prepared. Guinness slightly chilled.

[Dont Know]

Ravens Inactives

7 QB Kyle Boller
34 RB Cory Ross
52 LB Ray Lewis
71 OT Jared Gaither
76 DT Amon Gordon
83 TE Daniel Wilcox
86 TE Todd Heap
87 WR Demetrius Williams

The Ravens waived 5 K Rhys Lloyd and activated 58 LB Robert McCune from the practice squad.

Seahawks Inactives

18 WR D.J. Hackett
26 CB Josh Wilson
52 LB Jason Babin
66 G Mansfield Wrotto
74 OT Ray Willis
86 WR Courtney Taylor
99 DT Rocky Bernard

Source (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/gameday/)

[Sephy]

lol corey ivy

[StingerNLG]

And technical difficulties on top of that.

Is it too early to say Corey Ivy sucks?

And what the hell is Dan Wilcox inactive for again??

[Rayvens52]

here comes TROY

[Rayvens52]

nice run troy

[StingerNLG]

Did not take long for the OL to break down and force Troy to run backwards.

[Dade]

Seattle is eating up the rookies on the O line.

[Dont Know]

Why can't we throw the ball like 20 yards at a time? Seems everyone can do it to us while we are stuck throwing 3 yard patterns at a time.

[Dade]

Almost surpised Reed didn't fumble that pick.

[Sephy]

Brian's run run pass is getting old as fucking shit. Not even giving Troy a chance.

[Dade]

Troy better hope McGahee comes back in. With no running game defenders are going to tee off on him.

[StingerNLG]

They already are. Did you see that hit by Peterson?

The sad part is that if that was Boller people would be attacking him saying he should have ducked into the pocket, and then underthrew the football.

[Dade]

They already are. Did you see that hit by Peterson?

The sad part is that if that was Boller people would be attacking him saying he should have ducked into the pocket, and then underthrew the football.

LOL. I can hear Tex already. "It's how that QB handles pressure". LOL.

Nothing you can do when a defender goes unblocked into your face before you finish your drop.

[4G63]

Why can't we throw the ball like 20 yards at a time? Seems everyone can do it to us while we are stuck throwing 3 yard patterns at a time.

Because that would mean we were trying!

[StingerNLG]

This offense sucks, and unfortunately Troy is just the latest casualty of it.

One day other people are going to wake up and realize the QB still isn't the problem with the offense. Not expecting it, but oh well.

[Dont Know]

We can now add Stan White to the list of people who think the offensive line isn't doing its job. He just mentioned how both QBs faced blitzes, but one got time and the other didn't...

[StingerNLG]

If I listened to Jason Brown, no one really wanted to play for Boller, and Troy Smith was a breath of fresh air and they'd play hard for him.

I thought Troy Smith was intelligent. Yet he actually believed that line of bullshit.

[RockyMRaven]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. In our game against the Pats, they jumped offside on 4th down, and that play was said to be not declinable by us. Just now, one of our defensive linemen jumped offsides and it was TD. How come that was declinable?

[StingerNLG]

A rollout and the receivers can't even get open and Troy has to run.

What a great offense.

[RockyMRaven]

Nice run by Anderson!

[Ravens0587]

because that was a false start by the O and the play is whistled dead.

In this case the D is offsides so basically its a free play

[StingerNLG]

Troy couldn't even avoid that sack, right after Musa Smith couldn't even hold onto a simple slant pass.

Of course, Boller in and that pass was not perfect and should have been better thrown.

[RockyMRaven]

because that was a false start by the O and the play is whistled dead.

In this case the D is offsides so basically its a free play

Thanks.

[WxKevin]

Can somebody tell me where is the fucking flag for in the back by the Seahawks! It was right in front of the god damn official!!!!

[StingerNLG]

I am scanning YBR just for fun, and 2K3 over there is doing his absolute damndest to point out that TODAY seems to be the OL's fault.

Boller in there and guys like him are saying Boller was responsible for that sack. But because it's Troy Smith, it was the OL's fault.

Comical.

[Dade]

If only we could get some points off these turnovers.

[RockyMRaven]

Nice play, Martin!

[UKRavenStockers]

What a play Derrick Martin!

That is one hell of a play.

[WxKevin]

I am scanning YBR just for fun, and 2K3 over there is doing his absolute damndest to point out that TODAY seems to be the OL's fault.

Boller in there and guys like him are saying Boller was responsible for that sack. But because it's Troy Smith, it was the OL's fault.

Comical.

Remember, the backup QB is always the most popular QB on the roster.

[4G63]

A rollout and the receivers can't even get open and Troy has to run.

What a great offense.

Ain't it sweet!!! That's when the opportunity for a big play usually happens.....no DWill means no speed.......

[StingerNLG]

And now Mark Clayton can't even hold onto one.

[Dade]

Damn Troy has a big arm!

[StingerNLG]

Wow, and now a fumble by Anderson.

[The Fanatic]

I don't think we could make this any harder for Troy if they tried to.

Somebody needs to step the fuck up and at least look like they belong out there playing football.

DAMN!!

[WxKevin]

All year...we have to fight injuries to half of our starters and have to fight the officials. It started with the 1st game of the year with the phantom Heap PI call and has continued all year. Fucking ridiculous.

[camdenyard]

No fumble...SCREWED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[4G63]

Regardless of what happens in this game, Troy Smith has a hell of an arm!!! That throw from the endzone was at least 50yds!!! I'm impressed with his play so far and if he had a little help from his wide receivers (Clayton!!), he be doing a little better.......

Oh, and we got screwed by that fumble call!!

[UKRavenStockers]

That's just crap officiating, that's an easy call on the field and a very easy call off the tape. It's clear that the ball comes out as Patrick Kerney comes in and lays him out ON THE GROUND!

Crap call by the refs.

[StingerNLG]

And now an almost pick.

Wow. Another short throw in front of the 1st down marker. Awesome.


Of course, if this was Boller playing it would be all his fault.

[UKRavenStockers]

That's a good play by Trufant.

Not a great design, not awful design, but just a good play by the DB.

[Beerracuda]

That was a typical Billick play. 3rd and 5 and he calls for a 3 yard pass.

Fucking Billick!!! I hate that motherfucker!!!!

[camdenyard]

3rd and 5 and he calls for a 3 yard pass.

We don't know what he called. Could have been a checkdown.

It's the system. This whole offensive system stinks so bad it would knock a buzzard off a shitwagon 50 yards away.

[WxKevin]

I am going to go postal soon! Barnes was off his feet going for the tackle when Hassleback finally stepped out of bounds. There is no way he can stop. Another bullshit call!

[Beerracuda]

We don't know what he called. Could have been a checkdown.

It's the system. This whole offensive system stinks so bad it would knock a buzzard off a shitwagon 50 yards away.

True, but IMO, that play happened too quickly for it to be a checkdown. It looked like a designed play right from the snap.

Knock a buzzard off a shitwagon? LMAO!! :rolling:

[Dade]

We don't know what he called. Could have been a checkdown.

It's the system. This whole offensive system stinks so bad it would knock a buzzard off a shitwagon 50 yards away.


True the deeper routes could've been well covered. But on 3rd and 5 why not call a play that has all your routes go at least 5 yards.

[festivus]

It was a fine call. I like Barnes as a pass rushing specialist but he needs to cut down on those late hit calls.

[WxKevin]

That was a typical Billick play. 3rd and 5 and he calls for a 3 yard pass.

Fucking Billick!!! I hate that motherfucker!!!!

Seriously...we have no idea as fans what is going on. What if everyone is covered and Smith checked down? Would you rather him force it? Come on and give him a break.

[4G63]

This is gonna be a looooong game......do you think Billick is gonna open it up in the second half?

I realize we've thrown the deep ball a couple of times, but from your own endzone doesn't really count to me......

[festivus]

Troy has been improvising all game it looks like. He's out there doing his own thing, fine, but you can't read anything into BB's game plan when Troy's out there playing college ball.

[UKRavenStockers]

It was designed to throw and run after the catch. It's a perfectly fine design, just so happened that Trufant closed quickly on a good angle and put in a great tackle not to allow yardage after contact. It was a good defensive play.

That call on Barnes on the sideline is just crap, Hasselbeck was trying to cut upfield past the block. Might as well just make it illegal to touch quarterbacks if you're gonna call that.

[Dont Know]

This is gonna be a looooong game......do you think Billick is gonna open it up in the second half?

Nope, don't think he knows how to, seriously.

[StingerNLG]

WoW! First time in Seattle territory all game!

[Dade]

Think next year there'll bump Quin up to the number 2 stop on TE?

[UKRavenStockers]

Think next year there'll bump Quin up to the number 2 stop on TE?

I think we can look to do better than Quinn. He's not really made a great deal of an impact, he's nice cover but I'm not so sure he's a viable option for consistent two TE sets.

[StingerNLG]

Wow, and now Troy Smith even fumbles the football!!

[RavenLisa]

Guys let's just face it we suck. The schedule doesn't get much better next year. With Billick still here nothing will change.

[Dont Know]

In unrelated news, anyone seen the score from the Patriots vs Dolphins game?

How the **** did we almost beat the Patriots and lose to the Dolphins?

[WxKevin]

Seattle has been in the backfield all game. Troy is doing as good as he can. It is a miracle he has only turned the ball over once.

Seattle 10 Ravens 0
Officials 11 Ravens 0
-------------------------
Total 21 0

Yes the Ravens are not playing that well but that doesn't mean the officials can routinely screw us. I guess they have loyalty to Fagliabue.

[RavenLisa]

In unrelated news, anyone seen the score from the Patriots vs Dolphins game?

How the **** did we almost beat the Patriots and lose to the Dolphins?

The Pats are winning easy

[WxKevin]

Guys let's just face it we suck. The schedule doesn't get much better next year. With Billick still here nothing will change.

We faced that a while ago. Let's move on to something productive.

[RavenLisa]

How about a new team there are a lot of holes with this team.

[4G63]

Of course, if this was Boller playing it would be all his fault.

Get off your fucking horse Stinger!

Boller isn't the whole problem but he's had 5 years of play. Smith's first start in the NFL comes in one of the most hostile environments in ALL of the NFL. His numbers don't reflect how he's handled EVERYTHING, from the dropped balls to the lack of protection.....

I'm willing to bet Boller would have similar numbers given the circumstances of this game (rain, road game, etc.)

[RavenLisa]

Get off your fucking horse Stinger!

Boller isn't the whole problem but he's had 5 years of play. Smith's first start in the NFL comes in one of the most hostile environments in ALL of the NFL. His numbers don't reflect how he's handled EVERYTHING, from the dropped balls to the lack of protection.....

I'm willing to bet Boller would have similar numbers given the circumstances of this game (rain, road game, etc.)

Your right Boller isn't the whole problem. Like I have siad there are a lot of holes in this team. The OL line is a big problem. Smith is running for his life

[StingerNLG]

Get off your fucking horse Stinger!

You can shut the fuck up right the fuck now 4. Don't even START shit with me right now. Just don't.


Boller isn't the whole problem but he's had 5 years of play. Smith's first startgin the NFL comes in one of the most hostile environments in ALL of the NFL. His numbers don't reflect how he's handled EVERYTHING, from the dropped balls to the lack of protection.....

AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME. If you can't see that you aree blind or ignorant. And since you chose to attack me, I am starting to wonder scratch off blindness.


I'm willing to bet Boller would have similar numbers given the circumstances of this game (rain, road game, etc.)

AND THAT IS MY FUCKING POINT!!!!!!

Now, I'm getting back on my FUCKING HORSE, thank you very much. From up here i am able to point out all the hypocrisy that comes from the ignorant fans.

The next post from you to me better be a fucking apology for that first sentence, or don't bother addressing me again.

[RockyMRaven]

Seattle has been in the backfield all game. Troy is doing as good as he can. It is a miracle he has only turned the ball over once.

Seattle 10 Ravens 0
Officials 11 Ravens 0
-------------------------
Total 21 0

Yes the Ravens are not playing that well but that doesn't mean the officials can routinely screw us. I guess they have loyalty to Fagliabue.

:iagree:

That "fumble" call, even after they reviewed it just sent me through the roof. I'm a bit calmer now, but I have a headache!

[xmradiodave]

I think smith is playing well. He looks comfortable at least.

[Dade]

Stinger has a point. Troy so far has looked just Boller. Yet when its Boller under center he gets all the blame, now that its someone else the O line will get the blame. I don't really give damn at this point. I just want the offense to fucking score. Hopefully to Mason, he's on my fantasy team.

[RavenLisa]

I think smith is playing well. He looks comfortable at least.

Yes wish the OL would give him some help

[xmradiodave]

Yes wish the OL wopuld give some help

Meh... why start now?

[The Fanatic]

You dudes need to keep the personal attacks off of here.

No need for that stuff right now!!

[RavenLisa]

You dudes need to keep the personal attacks off of here.

No need for that stuff right now!!

AMEN

[StingerNLG]

Stinger has a point. Troy so far has looked just Boller. Yet when its Boller under center he gets all the blame, now that its someone else the O line will get the blame. I don't really give damn at this point. I just want the offense to fucking score. Hopefully to Mason, he's on my fantasy team.

Thank you. That is my point. I wasn't saying anything bad about Troy. How can you, he's been thrown into EXACTLY the situation I said he would be. One that makes QB's fail.

The difference is that other people found ways to blame Kyle Boller for exactly what we're seeing on the field now.

[xmradiodave]

I blame Boller for the war in Iraq!

[StingerNLG]

I blame Boller for the war in Iraq!

Ok, you bore me now. ;)

[xmradiodave]

Woo Hoo! Good Field Position!

[xmradiodave]

Ok, you bore me now. ;)

HAHAHA... good call back! I am impressed!:thumbup:

[StingerNLG]

HAHAHA... good call back! I am impressed!:thumbup:

Hehe, I thought you'd like that. What else can we do right now while watching this dreck?

[crazyraven]

Troy so far has looked just Boller. Yet when its Boller under center he gets all the blame, now that its someone else the O line will get the blame.

Boller is a five year vet who looks like he is always playing in his first game. Smith is a rookie who is starting his first game. Big difference. Troy shouldnt remind anyone of boller yet he does. What does that say about boller? Lets be honest, Bollers had his chances, lets back the new qb, the boller wars should be over at this point.

[Dade]

Come on Brian go for it you pussy!!

[xmradiodave]

ugh! batted down! Someone get some lifts for troys shoes!

[xmradiodave]

Come on Brian go for it you pussy!!

Why would he? We have so much to lose.

[StingerNLG]

Boller is a five year vet who looks like he is always playing in his first game. Smith is a rookie who is starting his first game. Big difference. Troy shouldnt remind anyone of boller yet he does. What does that say about boller? Lets be honest, Bollers had his chances, lets back the new qb, the boller wars should be over at this point.

LOL, figures you'd try that.

A 5 year vet playing with the same conditions that Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith can't play his way out of.

The Boller wars will turn into the Smith wars, which will turn into the "whoever we draft" wars. You can't blame Boller for not succeeding with these conditions, then turn around and say it's not Smith's fault.

It's not a big difference. The OL and WR's suck no matter what QB is in there. Troy is just the latest to be put in a position to fail, and is unfortunately doing so. And like Boller, it's not Troy's fault.

[Dade]

Alexander has done shit all year but against us he looks like his old MVP self.

[xmradiodave]

I blame Boller for illegal border crossing.

[xmradiodave]

Nice sideline pimp-coat Ray Ray is sporting.

[Dade]

Martin having a nice game

[StingerNLG]

Nice sideline pimp-coat Ray Ray is sporting.

He looks like a little LB snowman, doesn't he?

[4G63]

Thank you. That is my point. I wasn't saying anything bad about Troy. How can you, he's been thrown into EXACTLY the situation I said he would be. One that makes QB's fail.

The difference is that other people found ways to blame Kyle Boller for exactly what we're seeing on the field now.

Fair enough.....but Troy doesn't have 5 years of NFL football under his belt! I don't expect much from Smith in this game but I would expect Boller to play better than what we've seen from Troy Smith. Does that make sense? Kyle Boller should be playing better with what he's been given this year......


And if were giving warnings now, I sure hope sting gets one for his retort......

[camdenyard]

Just to clarify for those who can't grasp the obvious, there isn't ONE FUCKING PLAYER on the offense that has done SHIT today. It's not just the quarterback.

[xmradiodave]

And if were giving warnings now, I sure hope sting gets one for his retort......


shhhhhhhh. Just let it go boss. Just let it go. :beer:

[Dont Know]

Fair enough.....but Troy doesn't have 5 years of NFL football under his belt! I don't expect much from Smith in this game but I would expect Boller to play better than what we've seen from Troy Smith. Does that make sense?

No, because the point is the situation you are put in is an automatic failure. McNair, Boller, Smith, doesn't matter, different QBs - same ****.

Manning or Brady couldn't do it either, there is no QB on face of this planet that can succeed in this offense.

[xmradiodave]

Great run by Anderson.

[StingerNLG]

Damn, and now maybe Mike Anderson is hurt.

Jesus!!!! ANOTHER fumble????

[Dade]

Anyone else get the feeling that were gonna get shut out.

[crazyraven]

Sting, this is one game. Its his first game. Half the team is on the dl, ir or inactive or whatever you call the list. Not to mention he is playing a very competent seattle team that is heading into the playoffs. Last week would have been a nice test for Troy, especially for an entire game.

You can say its boller fault especially when last year Mcnair was able to win with the majority of the team healthy.

I don't expect much out of troy today. He's a fifth round pick, if he works out its all to the good. If he doesn't, no biggie. Sorry, but You just cant say the same for Boller. Too much was invested with too little return. Boller should never look like Troy, ever.

[xmradiodave]

Another fantastic Ravens Turnover! WE ROCK! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Dade]

No, because the point is the situation you are put in is an automatic failure. McNair, Boller, Smith, doesn't matter, different QBs - same ****.

Manning or Brady couldn't do it either, there is no QB on face of this planet that can succeed in this offense.

Thank you. If success automaticly came from years of experince then Bledsoe wouldn't have lost his job to Romo last year and Testaverde would be putting up Brady like numbers. Why can't people just realize that this offense sucks. And no QB would have success with this offense.

[UKRavenStockers]

Nice to see so many players give a crap about today's game. Defence is flat, offence looks its same old shabby self (fumbles, WRs can't catch for shit, blocking is pretty rank) I'm sure I saw the ST unit jogging on that long punt return earlier.

This season may have turned to crap but these fringe guys who are now starting due to injury should be showing more fight than this.

[camdenyard]

How is Troy supposed to so anything positive when half the Seattle front 7 are hanging on his back before he completes his dropbacks?

C'mon people! You're more sophisticated than this!

We are outmanned in a big way.

[StingerNLG]

Fair enough.....but Troy doesn't have 5 years of NFL football under his belt! I don't expect much from Smith in this game but I would expect Boller to play better than what we've seen from Troy Smith. Does that make sense? Kyle Boller should be playing better with what he's been given this year......


And if were giving warnings now, I sure hope sting gets one for his retort......

Don't worry about my warning. :) I'll take it every time when someone attacks me like that. I would have answered very different without it.

As to your point, it really doesn't matter. The point is that you just put another QB out there behind that offense, and you get the same results. Kyle Boller didn't play 5 years, and his time here has been under the exact same offensive situation. So exactly how is Boller, Smith, McNair, etc, supposed to progress or get better when on a consistent basis the OL can't block for them, and receivers continue to either not get open or drop the ball when they do.

I have been trying to reinforce the point that the problem isn't the Quarterback, and hasn't been for years. The problem is the system and the pieces around the QB.

You can't succeed in this offense. No one can. And 5 years of this offense won't help Smith progress any further than Boller.

[StingerNLG]

Sting, this is one game. Its his first game. Half the team is on the dl, ir or inactive or whatever you call the list. Not to mention he is playing a very competent seattle team that is heading into the playoffs. Last week would have been a nice test for Troy, especially for an entire game.

And we were without Heap, Mcalister, Rolle, Williams, and such as well.

You pretend that every has been healthy all year.


You can say its boller fault especially when last year Mcnair was able to win with the majority of the team healthy.

And look what it got his this year. And where did 13-3 get us BTW?


I don't expect much out of troy today. He's a fifth round pick, if he works out its all to the good. If he doesn't, no biggie. Sorry, but You just cant say the same for Boller. Too much was invested with too little return. Boller should never look like Troy, ever.

You keep pretending that Boller was the problem. I'm looking at a 27-0 score wondering how a Heisman Trophy winning QB who supposedly has much more poise and presense than Boller can't get the ball even into the redzone.

But you keep blaming Kyle Boller. That's all you Crazy. I'm watching reality unfold on the screen.

[UKRavenStockers]

700 career receptions for Mason, congrats to him.

[crazyraven]

I'm looking at a 27-0 score wondering how a Heisman Trophy winning QB who supposedly has much more poise and presense than Boller can't get the ball even into the redzone.

ha, the guy was named the starter in the middle of the week. This is the first time all year he had all the snaps the entire season and your wondering why he not doing well. I at least gave Boller 2 years before I blasted him. Geez.

[Dont Know]

I at least gave Boller 2 years before I blasted him. Geez.

Who is blasting him? If anything it's the offensive system that is being blasted, but maybe you can provide a quote to prove your point.

[xmradiodave]

ha, the guy was named the starter in the middle of the week. This is the first time all year he had all the snaps the entire season and your wondering why he not doing well. I at least gave Boller 2 years before I blasted him. Geez.

I think TS is showing some skills. Fast on his feet. Hard to bring down. Confidence. I look forward to seeing him progress.

[4G63]

Don't worry about my warning. :) I'll take it every time when someone attacks me like that. I would have answered very different without it.

As to your point, it really doesn't matter. The point is that you just put another QB out there behind that offense, and you get the same results. Kyle Boller didn't play 5 years, and his time here has been under the exact same offensive situation. So exactly how is Boller, Smith, McNair, etc, supposed to progress or get better when on a consistent basis the OL can't block for them, and receivers continue to either not get open or drop the ball when they do.

I have been trying to reinforce the point that the problem isn't the Quarterback, and hasn't been for years. The problem is the system and the pieces around the QB.

You can't succeed in this offense. No one can. And 5 years of this offense won't help Smith progress any further than Boller.

OK....when you put it like that, that makes sense. You're statement rubbed me the wrong way and I overreacted to it.....

Can I give you an e-hug? :)

[camdenyard]

I'm watching a 27-0 game and wondering why the Ravens keep punting from the opponent's 45 yard line on 4th-3 and 4th-5?

Why not just punt on first down?

[StingerNLG]

ha, the guy was named the starter in the middle of the week. This is the first time all year he had all the snaps the entire season and your wondering why he not doing well. I at least gave Boller 2 years before I blasted him. Geez.

You are always good for chuckles Crazy. I have to thank you for that.

I do wish you had the ability to read posts though. I don't think I've been blasting Troy at all today. But I think you know that and are just trying to create trouble, which I know you too well to let happen. ;)

Like I said, you live in that fantasy world, I'll be over here in reality where we just had to punt again, and unless Yamon breaks a big onewe might actually get shut out today.

[UKRavenStockers]

Troy has done OK today, but obviously need to see more of him in different circumstances and conditions. Dunno whether he's too excited, struggling with a wet ball or simply isn't accurate, but he's had an awful lot of low passes today. He's had more than his share of drops today, yes, but he's also been putting too many down on the toes of the receivers. Gotta get those passes up, but then by that same token, we've gotta give him a chance to prove that maybe it's just a one off.

[StingerNLG]

OK....when you put it like that, that makes sense. You're statement rubbed me the wrong way and I overreacted to it.....

Can I give you an e-hug? :)

Well, we are men. How about an e-fist pound? ;)

[Dade]

Ivy is a fucking retard. Get his ass on the bench now.

[Greg]

You can spin this all you want, but under all of that pressure and running around Smith isn't very good, AAMOF he sucks. Boller actually was to the point of putting up average QB numbers in this situation. Frankly, the guy might be one heck of a QB with some time and a real downfield threat.

And that isn't a shot at Smith, fact is the conditions are almost impossible.


Alexander has done shit all year but against us he looks like his old MVP self.
Well without Ray we have lost our best tackler and without Rolle and McAlister there is a lot of help being dropped back. The safeties are not up in the box because of our CB issues and thus they can run the ball.

[crazyraven]

Dontknow, after every play Sting would compare troy to boller. Maybe you don't considering comparing a 5 year vet to a first game starter "blasting" but i do. someone else got into a scuffle with him because of it

[Dade]

12 man on the field, man we look like a JV team.

[UKRavenStockers]

Well without Ray we have lost our best tackler and without Rolle and McAlister there is a lot of help being dropped back. The safeties are not up in the box because of our CB issues and thus they can run the ball.

Yep, has opened up the opportunities for a lot more double team blocks for the Seahawks' interior on Gregg and Ngata than I've seen in other games this year. That and we're pretty flat, it's hardly surprising is it?

[festivus]

This game would have been so different if we were +Todd Heap, +Samari Rolle, +Chris McAlister, +Demetrius Williams, etc. etc.

What a lost season.

[camdenyard]

Ivy is a fucking retard. Get his ass on the bench now.

Ivy has as much business playing cornerback as I do. That should give you some perspective. This is a fucking turkey shoot, and it has been from the beginning.

Oh and by the way, anyone seen Big Mouth Bart Scott today? Anyone?

All fucking mouth and no play this year.

[Dade]

Oh and by the way, anyone seen Big Mouth Bart Scott today? Anyone?


I think he made one tackle today.

[StingerNLG]

Dontknow, after every play Sting would compare troy to boller. Maybe you don't considering comparing a 5 year vet to a first game starter "blasting" but i do. someone else got into a scuffle with him because of it

Because he, like you apparently, didn't understand the point.

And apparently you still don't get it even after being explained to you multiple times.

At least 4 understand what I was saying after I explained it.

[StingerNLG]

Wow, the offensive line has simply packed it in.

Wait, what am I saying. They packed it in loooooong ago.

[Dade]

Down 27 -0 n the 4th you would think BB would call a shit load of pass plays. But no run after run after run.....

[PD101]

I'm watching a 27-0 game and wondering why the Ravens keep punting from the opponent's 45 yard line on 4th-3 and 4th-5?

Why not just punt on first down?

Billick doesn't want to show Pittsbugh anything.

[UKRavenStockers]

This conservative dink and dunk crap is fine when you get ahead of the chains, but we haven't been ahead of the chains since about last December.

[StingerNLG]

Down 27 -0 n the 4th you would think BB would call a shit load of pass plays. But no run after run after run.....

Pass to who? I count a total of 10 completions all day. We've had more receivers drop balls than total completions.

68 yards passing. 68 yards.

Wow, and now Seneca Wallace is in the game.

[xmradiodave]

SHAMELESS PLUG TIME: Since this season is a bust, visit www.baltimoremariners.com and get ready for professional indoor football. They play their games at 1st Mariner Arena beginning in March. :D

[4G63]

Billick doesn't want to show Pittsbugh anything.

Now THAT is some funny shit......

Hmmmmmm, its 1st and 10 with 6:03 in the 4th q, do you think we're gonna rush 3 times? How about we throw the ball downfield and see what happens?......

[xmradiodave]

Woohoo! Beautiful Pass!

[crazyraven]

Sting, it was annoying, regardless of what you call it.



Nice throw by troy!!!

[StingerNLG]

OMG!!! A touchdown!

Wow!! How did Derrick Mason get open??

[Dade]

Perfectly thrown ball to Mason.

[StingerNLG]

Sting, it was annoying, regardless of what you call it.



Nice throw by troy!!!

I can't tell you how much I care about your opinion Crazy. Really can't.

It's annoying to those who can't understand reality.

[HoustonRaven]

This season has been a systemic failure. And when then the system is at fault, you pin blame on the person who put that system there.

I see a hell of a lot of talent in Troy but its a shame he's put in system that isnt a fit for his talent.

[Dade]

Longest reception of Mason's career. Wow.

[UKRavenStockers]

LOL at the Seahawks corner getting burned by old man Mason.

Nice deep ball by Smith, that's something to take from the game at least.

[crazyraven]

lol I know you realize i was talking about you.

Dude you bore me... too.

[crazyraven]

It's annoying to those who can't understand reality.
No, its just annoying. I think you realize it and you got a rise out of someone today now didnt you.

I do like the new tough guy persona though. I dig the cursing

[StingerNLG]

You know Crazy I almost want to ask you seriously if you believe or understand some of what you post and shovel here.

But sadly I know the answer to that question already.

You don't bore me Crazy. When I need a laugh during a game like this, I have been unignoring your posts, and have not been disappointed. It's just a shame this is what our fanbase consists of sometimes.

[Dont Know]

I am guessing Q-Syp won't play anymore this season, out with a concussion.

Lee Vickers as our only TE .... :grbac:

[HoustonRaven]

you can ignore peoples posts??? I need to know how to do that! :)

[StingerNLG]

I am guessing Q-Syp won't play anymore this season, out with a concussion.

Lee Vickers as our only TE .... :grbac:


Damn, I missed that one. Fantastic. :/

[crazyraven]

You know Crazy I almost want to ask you seriously if you believe or understand some of what you post and shovel here.

Come meet me next week in section 540 and we'll have a beer. You can ask me anything you want...life, football, etc :thumbup:

[4G63]

Longest reception of Mason's career. Wow.

I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?

[HoustonRaven]

I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?

Kinda hard to do it when your o line is letting you down

[Dade]

I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?

Every high school play book has only one deep play pass. ;)

[StingerNLG]

I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?

We tried a couple early, but the receivers were pretty much covered.

[Dade]

Oh now they go for it on 4th down!

[StingerNLG]

you can ignore peoples posts??? I need to know how to do that! :)

Click on the person's name and go to their profile, then Add to Ignore List.

Then you get this:

"crazyraven
This message is hidden because crazyraven is on your ignore list. "

Unfortunately, I've given that guy way more attention than I should have tonight.

[crazyraven]

as always sting has to punk out. No matter.

Ok guys, Im out.

[Greg]

This conservative dink and dunk crap is fine when you get ahead of the chains, but we haven't been ahead of the chains since about last December.


I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?
First, great pass by Smith, amazing what a QB can do when he has time and an open receiver.

Second, you people might want to know that Billick calls tons of downfield passes, the dinks and dunks for the most part are check downs. The reason they look like called plays is our QBs are so damn gun shy from the beatings they drop back and check down without looking downfield about 70% of the time.

[StingerNLG]

I feel bad for Troy today. He's now 0-1 as a starter, and it was unfair to put him in that hole.

[festivus]

We looked like CRAP today because we played like CRAP because that's the talent we have on the field. It's been that way all year.

Goddamned third stringers. I just hate this year, as a fan.

Corey Ivy should be on the bench!!!!??? Who should be in at corner? Willie freakin' Gaston???

This godforsaken year, this is what we're left with. *sigh*

[HoustonRaven]

I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.

[UKRavenStockers]

Second, you people might want to know that Billick calls tons of downfield passes, the dinks and dunks for the most part are check downs. The reason they look like called plays is our QBs are so damn gun shy from the beatings they drop back and check down without looking downfield about 70% of the time.

Don't dispute that Greg, but at some point the coach has gotta change something up in his scheme to get the QB some looks further down the field that he likes. For all Billick might be stubborn and say these passes should be there, if the QB doesn't like those reads then Billick as the HC and OC (with Neuheisel) has gotta change the plays up to give us some better downfield looks. Either that or our WRs have gotta work a bit harder to get open downfield to get the coach and QB their downfield looks.

It's definitely a shared responsibility, the QBs aren't confident enough to look for the plays downfield & the WRs aren't getting open DF. However, if the passing game has gone this stale I'd have expected the coaching staff to switch up the playbook a bit, give us some new looks etc. The coach can't be completely blameless in this one just because the QB isn't looking downfield.

[UKRavenStockers]

I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.

All those throws to the wideouts' toes aren't bad throws then? Not all of those were under pressure, they're on Smith (he knows that), he's gotta get 'em up. There were certainly poor aspects of Smith's play today but they weren't the over powering aspect of his performance.

[StingerNLG]

I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.

I wish I could figure out how you come to that, given the state of our offensive line. He took a couple sacks and fumbled the ball. He had balls tipped at the LOS and threw a couple sure INT's. There was plenty on his end to complain about. But that's what happens when you can't get into a rhythm, and have no competency on the offensive line.

All I saw was the same old Ravens offense, just with a different QB attempting to throw the ball. Any one of our last 10 QB's could have had this exact game.

[PARavensJeff]

OMG!!! A touchdown!

Wow!! How did Derrick Mason get open??

Did anyone else notice after the TD pass that they showed Billick on the sideline & he looked pissed? Like Troy switched the play & it worked? Wow, that's what the house full of people here thought.

[HoustonRaven]

I wish I could figure out how you come to that, given the state of our offensive line. He took a couple sacks and fumbled the ball. He had balls tipped at the LOS and threw a couple sure INT's. There was plenty on his end to complain about. But that's what happens when you can't get into a rhythm, and have no competency on the offensive line.

All I saw was the same old Ravens offense, just with a different QB attempting to throw the ball. Any one of our last 10 QB's could have had this exact game.

Easy. Pocket presence and mobility. Something McBoller either lost due to old age or never had to being with.

[StingerNLG]

Easy. Pocket presence and mobility. Something McBoller either lost due to old age or never had to being with.

I wish I saw what you did. Because all that running around didn't do Smith a damn bit of good tonight. And he lost a fumble back there trying to be mobile and pocket present.

27-6 tells me all that so called pocket presense did nothing to change the game. Did nothing to tell me he had a better game than Boller would have, or McNair would have.

[purple bird]

Actually Stinger I do I agree that no matter what qb is back there, there are going to be troubles.
Houston is right though; despite the poor offensive design and the quality of the Seattle Defense, Smith only managed to have several turnovers as opposed to the eight or so that Boller would've had in the same situation. Smith looked fluid and took much better care of the ball than Boller ever has, given the same poor offense.

I am one of those people who will continue to say that Boller is a major problem - Billick loves the guy and I am willing to bet that he will only call plays to make Boller look good (no downfield calls for McNair or Smith, only Boller). Billick looked pissed on the sideline when Smith actually tried to be effective (by throwing the bomb to Mason) rather than simply looking bad for two games so Billick would have "just cause" to bring back Boller as the starter next year to give hime his 40th or so chance.

I think what the announcers said about how JO said that he really liked Troy and the way he composed himself. Mason and Jason Brown also verbalized their support for him.

I have never heard any players give Boller such support BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE HIM. He is a celeb partier who couldn't care less about winning; I never hear anything about him putting in the extra work in the weight room or film room, training with the recievers or anything to develop a repoire with his teammates. Read between the lines over what has gone on the past 5 years since Billick has been here. The team has NEVER responded to Boller; and they probably never will.

That is why I am more apt to give the same excuses you seem to be pleading for Boller to Smith Instead.

If you think it is race, think about the times the Ravens have played against Trent Dilfer since Billick let him go. JO always comments about how he (Trent) will always be "his QB" and how they still hang out and talk sometimes. Trent Dilfer commented the last time we played him in Baltimore (when he was with Cleveland) about how he still stays in touch with Ray as well.

Boller just doesn't click with this team and hasn't done anything to endear himself to his teammates. I am not going to go along with your sob story about how "unfairly" Boller has been treated because, with all the privledge Billick has given to him (starting without proving himself) and all the "special consultants" that were brought in just for Boller, I don't think he has been treated unfairly. This dude who shouldn't have been a starter from day one is basically the coaches son; everyone else on the team can see it and can see it has cost the team for some years.

[StingerNLG]

How many times are you going to flat out LIE about the players not liking Boller PB?

[purple bird]

Stinger-
Never will I stop these "lies" because there arent' any. Again, read between the lines; look at how the players react and interact with Boller - they don't.
Boller took in Mark Clayton during his rookie year; I still don't see him "hanging out" or being chummy with Boller.
In fact I don't see anyone doing that with Boller (except Billick) on the current team and the only teammate that I saw ever getting along with him was Will Demps (who was more concerned with his modelling career than playing football). Supposedly Derek Anderson was buddy-buddy with him too (according to a Sun interview this year), but he too is no longer here.
McNair does poorly and the players say they still want him to be the starter; Smith comes in and several players express their endorsement of him. I haven't read any quotes from any of the players saying something to the affect of "Oh boy, I am so excited that I will be playing with Kyle (again)" after McNair went out.
If you cannot see that Boller is just not very well liked by the team, then keep on preaching the "Boller sob story".

[4G63]

I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.

That's what I saw too....I think he did very well under the circumstances.....

[The Fanatic]

Just for the record here...
McCallister was on the Anita Marx show about two months ago when I happened to be listening.

McCallister was talking about how he, J.O. and Boller were out playing Golf together earlier that day.

Doesn't exactly sound like two guys that don't like Boller or aren't "chummy" with him in any fashion at all.

[StingerNLG]

Just for the record here...
McCallister was on the Anita Marx show about two months ago when I happened to be listening.

McCallister was talking about how he, J.O. and Boller were out playing Golf together earlier that day.

Doesn't exactly sound like two guys that don't like Boller or aren't "chummy" with him in any fashion at all.

I'll say this. If the players like Troy Smith and don't like Kyle Boller, they sure as hell didn't show it today.

[crazyraven]

I dont know how you can prove that he is hated, if he is I would be surprised. He seems like a nice enough guy and he certainly will take the blame when things are his fault. Plus he never make excuses.

[purple bird]

Yes, I guess it is impossible to prove that he (Boller) is the scourge of the earth in the players' eyes, especially since he is golfing with those players.

I do believe, however, that from the reasons that I stated in an earlier post that Boller is not necessarily the guy that is or has ever been an "inspiration" to the offense. He doesn't really command the respect in the huddle or on the practice field that a starting qb should. This is my opinion, and no, I cannot present you with physical evidence of this being true. This is based soley on analyzing the comments and actions (ie play on the field) of his fellow teammates throughout the years he has played for the Ravens.

[crazyraven]

I do believe, however, that from the reasons that I stated in an earlier post that Boller is not necessarily the guy that is or has ever been an "inspiration" to the offense
I hold that sentiment as well. lets face it the ravens have lost a lot of road games since 2004 with boller calling signals so it is conceivable that the players are not inspired. However I think he has a lot of friends and drinking buddies on the team.

[festivus]

Stinger-
Never will I stop these "lies" because there arent' any. Again, read between the lines; look at how the players react and interact with Boller - they don't.
Boller took in Mark Clayton during his rookie year; I still don't see him "hanging out" or being chummy with Boller.
In fact I don't see anyone doing that with Boller (except Billick) on the current team and the only teammate that I saw ever getting along with him was Will Demps (who was more concerned with his modelling career than playing football). Supposedly Derek Anderson was buddy-buddy with him too (according to a Sun interview this year), but he too is no longer here.
McNair does poorly and the players say they still want him to be the starter; Smith comes in and several players express their endorsement of him. I haven't read any quotes from any of the players saying something to the affect of "Oh boy, I am so excited that I will be playing with Kyle (again)" after McNair went out.
If you cannot see that Boller is just not very well liked by the team, then keep on preaching the "Boller sob story".

:link:

You are a liar until proven otherwise. Sorry! Thanks for posting!

[StingerNLG]

:link:

You are a liar until proven otherwise. Sorry! Thanks for posting!


Thank you. I can come up with plenty of quotes from Derrick Mason, Todd Heap, Mark Clayton, etc:

Purple Bird comes up with NOTHING. And he can't do anything from throw that claim out there and not know what he's talking about.

It's a lie, plain and simple.

And I saw how the offense reacted with Smith in there today. They rolled over for him just like they rolled over for Boller.

[purple bird]

Stinger-

Please tell me where I am lying:

Did Jason Brown not comment on Kyle Boller being a "breath of fresh air".

Did JO not comment on his relationship with Dilfer last year in the sun when he was with the Browns in their first meeting with us.

Did Dilfer not comment in the Sun this year about his relationship with Ray this year before the San Fran game?

Did Todd Heap not say he was more than excited about having Steve McNair as the qb last year because he "brought something to the offense that the offense has never had before"?

Did Shannon Sharpe, during 2005, not say that, concerning Billick's career, he would "live or die with Boller"?

Wow, I guess I didn't come up with any hard core explanations of where I was coming from with my conclusion, now did I? I listed the sources and who I am claiming said it.

Please give me a .wav or .mp3 file with a certificate of authenticity from the Anita Marks show that would allow me to hear the statement about Boller going golfing with JO and CMAC.

Do I really care about getting that file - not really. But since you call me a liar when all I am doing is stating what I believe to be a logical deduction from what I have heard and read over the years as a Ravens fan even though I cannot give the exact article and file bibliography, I too expect the same from you then. Please give me the same amount of bibliographical information you are demanding of me concerning this plethera of quotes that Mason and all the other Ravens players have given with their overwhelming support of Boller which you claim to have.

Stinger, I guess you can call me a Boller hater just as I will call you a Boller lover. Every one of your remarks concerning the Ravens offense and qb play , ever since Boller came in after Pittsburgh, was either defending his (Bollers) bad play or telling everyone that they should feel sorry for Boller and the way he has been treated.

I guess I am blind and I can't see your OBVIOUS points about how great Boller is; but I can see the OBVIOUS points the national media and external observers make concerning Kyle Boller's play with the Ravens - he just is not the guy!!

Thanks for posting too.

[StingerNLG]

The bottom line is that you are a liar, and you can't back up anything you are saying.

And if you want to bring up Jason Brown, I'll give you Derrick Mason who to this day continues to say Boller will be a great QB.

But that is all you have, and you can't come up with a shred of real proof that the team doesn't like Boller.

You sir, are a liar, and you continue to lie without having any proof or inside knowledge to back up your claims.

And with that, I'm done with you.

[HoustonRaven]

I'll give you Derrick Mason who to this day continues to say Boller will be a great QB.

:link: :link: :link:

[StingerNLG]

:link: :link: :link:

Don't call me out unless you're ready Houston. ;) Unlike PB I can back up my words. Derrick Mason has been an OPEN supporter of Boller in print and on radio.

Let's start here:

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?section=journal&id=25021


Kyle Boller, Injuries and My Philosophy
11/20/07

He's definitely better than he was, and he's continuing to improve. He's more mature on the field. He still brings that "Kyle energy" to the huddle, giving leadership, staying enthusiastic. But, he has been more calm after the snap. He gets to the 2nd and 3rd reads, and he'll run when he has to. The command is there. I like what he brings to the offense.

That is just on his improvements from this year.


WE COULD go back a year to before McNair was brought in:

http://ravens.d3corp.com/column_view.php?cid=19&id=83&view=archive


You�ve been supportive of Kyle but are you one of the players lobbying for the arrival of Steve McNair?
I want to state something right now. Kyle is my quarterback right now and whatever happens in the future [well] I�m not in control of that. That is up to upper management to make that decision. But right now Kyle is my quarterback and I have a lot of faith that Kyle can get the job done.


Even considering your rapport with Kyle, can you get excited by the prospects of having a guy like Steve here?

Until it�s all concrete and he�s here, we�ll go with it from there. Right now my excitement is for Kyle and what Kyle has shown towards the end of the season last year and what he�s put into the offseason and what he�s done the couple of weeks we�ve been here at training camp. My excitement is towards Kyle and the things that I know he can do as a quarterback.



These are just what I found with a simple Google search. If you wanted to pay for them, I could easily go back to the Baltimore Sun archives and dig up more.

[StingerNLG]

While we're at it, here is someone else who apparently doesn't like Boller:

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=33&id=1971&view=archive


"He's definitely progressed," offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden said. "He sees the field better, he sees it faster. He's right there. Kyle will be fine."


I do wish I could find the Sun article that Willis McGahee said that he was impressed with Kyle, and the players were impressed, that he changed a play in the huddle that Billick called in and Boller didn't like. Yeah, McGahee doesn't like Boller either eh?


Bottom line, regardless of talking about his play on the field and whether he is or is not a good QB, can we put this "Everyone hates Boller" lie that Purple Bird has continued to try and push on this forum to rest now?

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Bottom line, regardless of talking about his play on the field and whether he is or is not a good QB, can we put this "Everyone hates Boller" lie that Purple Bird has continued to try and push on this forum to rest now?

HERE HERE :beer: