McCain keeps swinging and missing

[Galen Sevinne]

His campaign advisors are really digging this guy in 6 feet deep.

First trying to present McCain as the only choice on foreign policy. At which time, Barrack goes on to completely rock europe with a rousing speech on par with Kennedy and Reagan. Meanwhile McCain is at home standing in front of the cheese display stumbling over his own interpretation of the surge.

So they come back and try to attack Obama on domestic budget strategies by sicking Fiorina on him but then McCain recants in G.W. Bush fashion and states raising taxes is certainly an option.

I don't think this guy wants to win. Obama surges to a 9 point lead. McCain looks old and confused.

[HoustonRaven]

His campaign advisors are really digging this guy in 6 feet deep.

First trying to present McCain as the only choice on foreign policy. At which time, Barrack goes on to completely rock europe with a rousing speech on par with Kennedy and Reagan. Meanwhile McCain is at home standing in front of the cheese display stumbling over his own interpretation of the surge.

So they come back and try to attack Obama on domestic budget strategies by sicking Fiorina on him but then McCain recants in G.W. Bush fashion and states raising taxes is certainly an option.

I don't think this guy wants to win. Obama surges to a 9 point lead. McCain looks old and confused.

While McCain is certainly running a horrible campaign, Obama isnt doing much better.

After the European Obama-gasm, he only got a 4 point bump. Given the amount of love he gets from the MSM, this race shouldnt even be close. Also, Obama has now given 4 very different excuses as to why he would rather get a work out in then visit injured troops.

[Galen Sevinne]

After the European Obama-gasm, he only got a 4 point bump.

That's pretty significant considering all of the press the surge was getting and McCain's supposedly strength in htis area. For Obama to gain 4 points when McCain was in his wheel house is considerable. What does McCain have left?




Given the amount of love he gets from the MSM, this race shouldnt even be close.

keep watching.


Also, Obama has now given 4 very different excuses as to why he would rather get a work out in then visit injured troops.

The only people who seemd to find this a problem were your boys over at fox...outside of that (which was probably in a memo sent over by W) I think that issue is tractionless.

[HoustonRaven]

That's pretty significant considering all of the press the surge was getting and McCain's supposedly strength in htis area. For Obama to gain 4 points when McCain was in his wheel house is considerable. What does McCain have left?

4 points is one point off the margin of error. Thats nothing. McCain may or may not have something left -- I really could care less since he isnt my guy anyway. You should be happy, G7. With either McCain or Obama, you get a liberal in the White House.

I do find it interesting that McCain actually went UP in likely voters after the Obama-gasm in Germany.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-28-poll_N.htm


The only people who seemd to find this a problem were your boys over at fox...outside of that (which was probably in a memo sent over by W) I think that issue is tractionless.

Exactly. Because the MSM want Obama to win they refuse to question him hard. The lone exception to it is Katie Curick (sp?). She actually had the stones to do her job right and ask the same hard-hitting questions the GOP gets everyday. So the highest rated News network is running with it, millions will see and form an opinion on it yet it has no traction?

[BertJonesMyHero]

He didn't get a 4 point bump. He lost ground. Siting RCP average. He left up 5-6 and is now up 3.2. (3 is the margin. Taht makes things a tie) Americans are not as stoopid as some would like to believe.

He(Obama) was only up in a Daily Gallup tracking poll that went back down the very next day. That poll used Registered Voters. The same Gallop regular poll had McCain up. That is the more reliable poll of "likely Voters'.
Keep drinking the Kool Aide Lefty. Barry should be up 20 freaking points right now.

[Galen Sevinne]

He didn't get a 4 point bump. He lost ground. Siting RCP average. He left up 5-6 and is now up 3.2. (3 is the margin. Taht makes things a tie) Americans are not as stoopid as some would like to believe.

He(Obama) was only up in a Daily Gallup tracking poll that went back down the very next day. That poll used Registered Voters. The same Gallop regular poll had McCain up. That is the more reliable poll of "likely Voters'.
Keep drinking the Kool Aide Lefty. Barry should be up 20 freaking points right now.

your arguments continue to be as lame as Bert's shoulder.

"But with fewer than 100 days now to go before the November 4 election, Obama had opened up a nine-point lead in the latest Gallup poll released Sunday -- 49 percent to 40 for McCain."

[BertJonesMyHero]

Apparently you can not comprehend. Gallup had 2 conflicting polls out. I explained it above. One was high and one was not. I explained the mechanics of each poll and why they were different. Do I need to feed you baby food also?

Not to mention the Real Clear average of polls is at 3.2. Again- DOWN from before the trip.

This is why it is often impossible to have a civil conversation with you people.

And a shot at Bert's arm? Uncalled for.lol:girlfight

[BertJonesMyHero]

I take it back- RCP ave for Obama dropped since yesterday. From +3.2 to +2.5.

Gallup Tracking Obama +6 (Reg Voters )
USA Today/Gallup McCain +4 Likely Voters-More accurate

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

The best pollster
Rasmussen Tracking Barry H +1

[jonboy79]

The only people who seemd to find this a problem were your boys over at fox...outside of that (which was probably in a memo sent over by W) I think that issue is tractionless.



So it's not a big deal that all this guy is interested in doing is winning this election. It seems to me this proves he has no desire to help people other then himself.

As soon as he found out he couldn't turn it into his own press circus, we went back to the ritz and worked out instead. Gotta keep yourself pretty if you want to win the young voters....

[Galen Sevinne]

I take it back- RCP ave for Obama dropped since yesterday. From +3.2 to +2.5.

Gallup Tracking Obama +6 (Reg Voters )
USA Today/Gallup McCain +4 Likely Voters-More accurate

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

The best pollster
Rasmussen Tracking Barry H +1

good data. I always appreciated the 70 yard bombs to #81 too... spilled many a coke on myself jumping up and down.

Even with the numbers closer than I thought, I stand by my initial post that McCain's campaign has been a disaster

[BertJonesMyHero]

lol All good. JM is lucky he isn't getting blown out.

[HoustonRaven]

lol All good. JM is lucky he isn't getting blown out.

I think we all agree on that one.

[BertJonesMyHero]

I heard Susan Estredge say that even Dukakis was ahead by 20 points in the Summer of '88.

[HoustonRaven]

I heard Susan Estredge say that even Dukakis was ahead by 20 points in the Summer of '88.

Mondale was ahead at this point as well.

Im not going to say its an Obama win or lose. There are a thousand political lifetimes between now and November.

[Galen Sevinne]

Looks like Rove must be back. It's a shame when politics and campaigning become what it has been for the past 3-4 days.

What does it say about the conservative base when McCain flashes images of Obama consecutively with Paris and Brittney and it "solidifies" the base?

When Faux news shows an image of Osama but "mistakenly" puts under the image the name of Obama and this "solidifies" the base?

When Hannity and Billo The Clown flash images for two nights in a row of Ludicrous and Obama and ramp of the language from really no connection at all to finally Ludicrous being part of Obama's circle...that Obama "surrounds" himself with these types? and that Obama might want to make the "white house black"?

Tweek that amygadala...scare the blue-collar republican base and the god-fearing ultra-right. Here we go again.

It will be interesting to see if the democrats respond differently this time. If not we will have four more years of rumbling....bumbling.....stumbling....

By the way, who is Laura Engram? Did they get rid of Annie in place of her? Boy, she even made Billo the clown look like an Obama sympathizer last night.

[BertJonesMyHero]

So portraying Obama as the empty suit he is is evil? But Obama playing race scare tactics with his def jam posse is just fine? Thank you Capt Kos. What's next-Cheering Bob Novak's brain tumor?

Obama's friends and admirer's list just keeps getting better.

New Ludacris Song:
... with a slot in the president's iPod Obama shattered 'em
Said I handled his biz and I'm one of his favorite rappers

... Hillary hated on you, so that bitch is irrelevant.

... paint the White House black and I'm sure that's got 'em terrified
McCain don't belong in ANY chair unless he's paralyzed

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/30/politics/horserace/entry4307796.shtml?source=search_story

Nice to see the Obama campaign(Not Obama) has condemned the Ludacris song. Too bad he has had other photo ops praising the rapper and once claimed to have Ludacris in heavy rotation on his iPod. As usual, he wants it all ways.

And some wonder why race is becoming an issue? Heck of a way to sure up those middle aged women voters he needs in W Va and Penn. Those that voted for Clinton.
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Politics: John McCain dares to suggest Barack Obama is all style and no substance, a celebrity like Britney Spears. Meanwhile, the post-racial candidate hits the GOP with the race card, baby, one more time.

... If this sounds familiar, it echoes remarks Obama made in Jacksonville, Fla., earlier this year. "We know what campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid," Obama said at a fundraiser. "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced, and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?"
Obama is young and inexperienced. There will be no adoring crowds chanting his name at 3 a.m. in the White House. The real issue is not the color of Barack Obama's skin, but the thickness of it. If you can't stand the heat, put down the arugula and get out of the kitchen.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/I...amp;src=DMARTCL

Maybe he should clean up his own house first.

[BertJonesMyHero]

btw GS- Bill thanks you for watching.

[HoustonRaven]

No doubt the Brittney ad is horrible.

But the Ludacris stuff is just as bad -- and right out of the Clinton play book of having someone say the bad stuff so it can be denied / condemned.

And what Fox is doing is nothing different from all the other MSM outlets (if its accurate; I see you got your news from Media Matters again). First, O'Reilly and Hannity are opinion shows and, shocker, they lean right. Do you expect them to be cheerleaders for Obama? I would no sooner expect them to be pro-Obama then would expect Keith over at PMSNBC to be pro-GOP. See, that's the problem with Media Matters and you seen to fall for it -- they cooment on opinion based shows and say its a right-wing bias in news coverage. Even the MRC doesnt go that far. If anyone gets their news from these sources, they should shoot themselves in the face.

Second, I seem to recall Cheney being the victim of very similar gaffes by the MSM -- red x's over his face, the word Satan appearing under his picture, etc.

[BertJonesMyHero]

O'Reilly has been more then fair to Obama and Clinton before him. What Kos fan doesn't say is that he singled out Ingram and her weekly segment. She is a conservative. That just happened to be her slot.

Yea I know - We can't have that.
The other night I was irked when the whole show was Obama fest '08.

And what is wrong with the JM Ad? It's about time he started calling the guy what he is- An empty suit.

[HoustonRaven]

O'Reilly has been more then fair to Obama and Clinton before him. What Kos fan doesn't say is that he singled out Ingram and her weekly segment. She is a conservative. That just happened to be her slot.

Yea I know - We can't have that.
The other night I was irked when the whole show was Obama fest '08.

And what is wrong with the JM Ad? It's about time he started calling the guy what he is- An empty suit.

I didnt mind the message -- but using that slut Brittney? Come on. He can do better then that.

Both, IMO, are empty suits so I am sitting back and laughing at the whole thing at this point.

[BertJonesMyHero]

To be fair and balanced, JM had plenty of cluster fucks this week.

Do Republicans Want to Win?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_073108/content/01125115.guest.html

The WSJ asks:
Is John McCain Stupid?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745962594698731.html?mod=todays_columnists

But just read the above posts- The left won't admit faults for Lord Byron...errrr Obama.

[Galen Sevinne]

So portraying Obama as the empty suit he is is evil? But Obama playing race scare tactics with his def jam posse is just fine? Thank you Capt Kos.

Empty suit? Uh because? What? He wasn't shot down in a war? Or maybe because Obama might be popular? Geez...what a true roadblock to american imperialism if someone outside our borders actually LIKES our president. I would hate to have a chance for diplomacy with the war so popular threse days. So lets make a middle school popularity contest out of the campaign and see you takes the bait. Like I said...it is a shame that it is working so well

Def jam posse? please.


Obama's friends and admirer's list just keeps getting better.

Again just evidence how an amydala-based campaign of fear is so effective on the easily susceptable. I give Rove full credit for being a genius. There is no way around that one.



"We know what campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid," Obama said at a fundraiser. "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced, and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?"

And you rip him for predicting exactly what would happen? You are really just proving my point.

[Galen Sevinne]

btw GS- Bill thanks you for watching.

I am sure he does. If I have time I watch Olberman at 10 and The Clown at 11. More because I am interested in the process of message shaping and both of these outlets are used just for that.

[Galen Sevinne]

But just read the above posts- The left won't admit faults for Lord Byron...errrr Obama.


That isn't true. Obama is starting to get ripped for trying to take the high road like Kerry did against the fear-based campaigning of the right. It didn't work then and it is not working now...at least the last three days or so.

If Rove was on the left he would start commenting on that mole on the right side of McCain's face, how his hands shake when he holds the mic and how his mind is so aged he can't even read his talking points without looking down at the cue cards.

[Galen Sevinne]

.

And what Fox is doing is nothing different from all the other MSM outlets (if its accurate; I see you got your news from Media Matters again). First, O'Reilly and Hannity are opinion shows and, shocker, they lean right. Do you expect them to be cheerleaders for Obama? I would no sooner expect them to be pro-Obama then would expect Keith over at PMSNBC to be pro-GOP. See, that's the problem with Media Matters and you seen to fall for it -- they cooment on opinion based shows and say its a right-wing bias in news coverage. Even the MRC doesnt go that far. If anyone gets their news from these sources, they should shoot themselves in the face.

I went to media matters one time in the past year to only post a link to the Chris Matthews - Scott Mcllelan interview. It was a convenient link.

Actually everything I posted earlier was from watching Fox. I do watch O'Reilly . Like I said elsewhere I watch Olberman at 10 and The Clown at 11.
Mainly because I am interested in the process of message creation and that is what these outlets do rather brilliantly at times...I also find both of them pretty funny and entertaining after a long day before I snooze.

The problem is H.R. and I understand you see it for what it is but many don't. It is powerful stuff...ie..people are quoting Ludicrous lyrics now and thinking they are what Obama thinks. Bertjonesmyhero just did it. That is dangerous stuff and bad for american politics. It is one thing to watch it for entertainment but it is another thing to buy it hook line and sinker.

MSNBC is just as bad as fox.



.Second, I seem to recall Cheney being the victim of very similar gaffes by the MSM -- red x's over his face, the word Satan appearing under his picture, etc.

except Cheney ain't running for president.

[HoustonRaven]

The problem is H.R. and I understand you see it for what it is but many don't. It is powerful stuff...ie..people are quoting Ludicrous lyrics now and thinking they are what Obama thinks. Bertjonesmyhero just did it. That is dangerous stuff and bad for american politics. It is one thing to watch it for entertainment but it is another thing to buy it hook line and sinker.

Nobody ever got poor underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

Of course it dangerous. But both sides do it. It's the nasty little secret in American politics -- going negative works! Sure, everyone who is polled says they don’t want a negative campaign but when it comes down to it, the negative stuff works -- always has, always will.

I could be wrong, but Bert was being a little sarcastic. I think he too understands that what is said on the opinion shows isn’t news.

[ChampRavens]

Come on. He can do better then that.


No, Don't you see? He can't.

His campaign is a disaster. I expect Barack to really break away in September.

His upside is much higher than McCain. By a longshot. McCain will probably never pass 45-46%.

Does anybody expect McCain to catch fire in September or October? No. His only chance is a major gaffe by Obama, and squeeking out a small victory.

Obama has the chance to blow McCain out if he can prove, as McCain says, that he is ready.

Even McCain admits he sure as hell is beloved by the public enough.

His new ad campaign is almost more complementary of Obama. Obama is all smiles and has the whole world behind him.

Nice try McCain.:grbac:

[HoustonRaven]

His upside is much higher than McCain. By a longshot. McCain will probably never pass 45-46%.

Really? What's an "upside" anyway? Maybe you can explain why they are tied then?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109219/Gallup-Daily-Race-Tied-44.aspx


Does anybody expect McCain to catch fire in September or October?

Not anyone on your side.


His only chance is a major gaffe by Obama, and squeeking out a small victory

See above. So why are they tied?


Obama is all smiles and has the whole world behind him

Too bad for Obama only Americans do the voting.

[Galen Sevinne]

Come on. He can do better then that.


No, Don't you see? He can't.

His campaign is a disaster. I expect Barack to really break away in September.

His upside is much higher than McCain. By a longshot. McCain will probably never pass 45-46%.

Does anybody expect McCain to catch fire in September or October? No. His only chance is a major gaffe by Obama, and squeeking out a small victory.

Obama has the chance to blow McCain out if he can prove, as McCain says, that he is ready.

Even McCain admits he sure as hell is beloved by the public enough.

His new ad campaign is almost more complementary of Obama. Obama is all smiles and has the whole world behind him.

Nice try McCain.:grbac:

All that you say is true. The problem is the obama'a campaign currently is unable to deconstruct the arguments made by McCain's campaign. It was the same in 2004.

I have eons more respect for Obama than Kerry though and look for him to neutralize some of the negativity from McCains's side.

I believe the difference will be in the debates. I really don't see McCain intellectually holding up against Obama. Obama is too bright and McCain too old. You will see that difference, I believe.

Today Obama's campaign came out with the $1000 "energy rebate" in reaction to McCain's three days of attcking Obama's character. Interesting strategy but still the democratic way of taking the high road. I think Obama is going to have to become more negative about McCain...unfortunately.

[Galen Sevinne]

I could be wrong, but Bert was being a little sarcastic. I think he too understands that what is said on the opinion shows isn’t news.

one would hope.

[Greg]

McCain is a bad candidate and running a poor campaign and yet Obama can't put any distance from him.


At which time, Barrack goes on to completely rock europe with a rousing speech on par with Kennedy and Reagan.
LOL, please. What one-liner from this speech resonated like "Ich bin ein Berliner" or "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

You can pretend Obama is some great orator but his is a good speech-maker (he looks great in comparison to Bush and McCain) but get him off the teleprompter and he becomes a fumbling idiot.

http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dzz2nHgtMX-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igDoHZ0hVUY

http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/28/obama-stammers-his-way-through-defense-of-axelrods-comments-on-clinton/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsJLdE9DELs&NR=1

[BertJonesMyHero]

<<< I believe the difference will be in the debates. I really don't see McCain intellectually holding up against Obama. Obama is too bright and McCain too old. You will see that difference, I believe.

Repeating what Gerg said - Actually, JM is better in these settings. Obama has made many contradictory statements when going off his written speech.

Obama wins giving a speech. But McCain can debate and do the town hall dealio.

JM has run a shit ass campaign and is still in a dead heat. I know that has y'all whizzing on your birkenstocks.

[Galen Sevinne]

JM has run a shit ass campaign and is still in a dead heat. I know that has y'all whizzing on your birkenstocks.

Yes it does, for sure.

Reminds me of 2004, when my conny friends were so jazzed on Bush...thinking he was nothing short of the 2nd coming. Many debates back then. I couldn't understand what they saw other than he was GOP, and well, that's how they vote, and that somehow meant he was the right one. Of course none of those folks want to bring all that up again. Oh no...no 2004 discussions that have any sense of honesty in 2008. You all know the excuses by now. Poor decisions 4 years ago have without a doubt screwed things things up.

Now I see all of them again. McCain...McCain...he's the guy.

Knock...Knock... uh, yo..he kinda looks like the last guy. yeah?

The truth is america might not be ready for a black president...that conservative base doing it again. Just have to scare those good ol' boys.

Same thing for the next four years...pretty much 50/50 right now. Yeah, I don't own a pair of birkenstocks, never have but might be pissing on chacos hear real soon.

still waiting on McCain to say something impressive.

[Greg]

Reminds me of 2004, when my conny friends were so jazzed on Bush...thinking he was nothing short of the 2nd coming.
What conservative was high on Bush in 2004? Most of us are pissed at him and those that voted for him (I went Badnarik) did so because Kerry was so horrible. Other than the sheen and glitz, Obama just might be worse than Kerry. That is how a bad candidate like McCain can run a mediocre campaign and be in a dead heat.

[Galen Sevinne]

Other than the sheen and glitz

Don't forget that Obama also parties with Britney and Paris and has Ludicrous in his "posse". We need to work hard at "reframing" popularity as a negative thing. McCain's campaign spent good money on those messages and want to make sure that everyone is on point as we draw closer to the election.

Will fox show ludicrous for the fourth straight night tonight? They scrolled it all weekend.