Has Terell Suggs silenced the critics?

[RAVENOUS52]

I hope his performance Sunday puts to rest any doubts about whether he would:

a) Show up in shape...

b) Play with intensity and enthusiasm...

and

c) Make plays!!

The kid is a stud and I'm glad to have him in a Ravens uniform because of his versatility and toughness. He's easily my favorite linebacker after #52.:thumbup:

[Dade]

Yeah he made me eat my words. And I couldn't be happier.

[Losac]

My only question is can we keep Suggs and Ray?

Somebody has to go or it will criple our CAP. We won't be able to sign much else.


Don't forget Bart Scott. I think he's a FA after this year too. There's definitely going to be some tough, and I mean tough decisions to make with regards to the defense next offseason.

I'd rather not think about it now and just try to enjoy the 2008 season. :banana: :thumbup:

[Jeremiah W]

Don't forget Bart Scott. I think he's a FA after this year too. There's definitely going to be some tough, and I mean tough decisions to make with regards to the defense next offseason.

I'd rather not think about it now and just try to enjoy the 2008 season. :banana: :thumbup:

Amen to that.

They could keep all 3, but they are going to have to do it Don King style. Breif case full of straight cash homey.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Here's the plan --- Steve B, listening?

Sign Suggs at market price, Sign Bart below market with many incentives/escalators, Sign Ray at vet-minimum but offer him a 10% ownership stake in the team. ;-)

[jonboy79]

Scott's a goner for sure. He'll go get $40m from someone else after a monster year here, and be an adequate player.

[Fiesty Ravens Chic]

Here's the plan --- Steve B, listening?

Sign Suggs at market price, Sign Bart below market with many incentives/escalators, Sign Ray at vet-minimum but offer him a 10% ownership stake in the team. ;-)

Now that sounds like a hella of a plan! Ray bleeds purple & black and I am sure he wants to stay here but he needs his $$$ just like everyone else. I would love him to stay here retire here and become a coach here. But hey that is JMO!!

[Losac]

Scott's a goner for sure. He'll go get $40m from someone else after a monster year here, and be an adequate player.

I just remember the last time Scott was a free agent. He visited with Cleveland and ended up calling Ozzie from the Browns' complex and worked out a deal with us over the phone for less than the Browns offered. Then he was making fun of the Brownies and their facilities in his Ravens' press conference.

Of course, that was back when Scott was still pretty unknown and was mainly just still a special teams guy and backup. Now he's got a shot at a serious payday, so who knows if he'll be as generous.

I think they need to keep Suggs as priority #1, and Ray should get a fair market deal, but nothing that will cripple the cap for years to come.

[jonboy79]

I admit I was a trade SUggs guy during hte preseason... I mena I'm still unsure if we will sign him reasonably this offseason so I don't think I was a fool, but he is certainly an asset I never doubted. I still don't think he is worht Jared Allen Money, but we will see.

[UKRaven]

in answer - NO

[Jeremiah W]

I just remember the last time Scott was a free agent. He visited with Cleveland and ended up calling Ozzie from the Browns' complex and worked out a deal with us over the phone for less than the Browns offered. Then he was making fun of the Brownies and their facilities in his Ravens' press conference.

Of course, that was back when Scott was still pretty unknown and was mainly just still a special teams guy and backup. Now he's got a shot at a serious payday, so who knows if he'll be as generous.

I think they need to keep Suggs as priority #1, and Ray should get a fair market deal, but nothing that will cripple the cap for years to come.

Bart is very smart. He knows he will not be a better player in another defense, but he is not going to turn down mad backer cash if they try to back up the brinks truck.
The Clowns were the team who would offer him the most money last time so he was smart to use them as the leverage for a new deal. I think the Ravens will have to expose both he and Ray to the market again, but I can't see them walking for less than a giant pile o cash more than we offer.

[jonboy79]

They are REQUIRED to expose Suggs to the market as well.

Remember when everyone on these boards was complaining abotu JJ's contract... 4-6 years at like $3m per year...

[RavenDavey]

Great point Lo.

How do we keep all 3 of em?

We can't.

That's the prob with Ozzie. He drafts so many good players he can't pay them what they're worth because of the CAP and look at the round Scott came in.

This is why we have sacrificed our offensive line for so long. Other than J.O., not many big names in the past but finally a huge pick up with Willie!!

[Lee Van Cleef]

We also have to keep hold of Jason Brown, which right now is looking like a key signing.

Suggs... the same doubts are there, but he's obviously ready to go which is a big plus.

[purplepoe]

They are REQUIRED to expose Suggs to the market as well.

Remember when everyone on these boards was complaining abotu JJ's contract... 4-6 years at like $3m per year...

They aren't required to expose Suggs. They can franchise him again which will cost a whole hell of alot considering he'll get a 20% bump due to being tagged for the 2nd time in as many seasons.

And as stated above, Jason Brown is a HIGH priority for this team. I really hope they are in talks right now.

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

I agree with ya' wholeheartedly, PurplePoe...

Protecting the Flacco investment should be right at the top, if not THE top priority we have personnel-wise.

[Losac]

And as stated above, Jason Brown is a HIGH priority for this team. I really hope they are in talks right now.

:word

[ChampRavens]

I have a feeling Suggs is gone after this year no matter what happens.

I think we can keep Scott around. But Suggs seems like he will not be around next year for some reason.

[RAVENOUS52]

I have a feeling Suggs is gone after this year no matter what happens.

I think we can keep Scott around. But Suggs seems like he will not be around next year for some reason.


I feel exactly the OPPOSITE. If we let one of our big game backers go, it will probably be Scott. Suggs is a beast on gameday and he's just entering his prime. More importantly, he's a playmaker. Maybe not quite the caliber playmaker of Ed Reed or Ray Lewis, but edging closer to that level all the time.

[jonboy79]

They aren't required to expose Suggs. They can franchise him again which will cost a whole hell of alot considering he'll get a 20% bump due to being tagged for the 2nd time in as many seasons.

And as stated above, Jason Brown is a HIGH priority for this team. I really hope they are in talks right now.

PP

You are right, they are not allowed to negotiate a long term deal until free agency, that is the loophole...

[73doubledown73]

imo they will let bart walk, franchise ray and show t sizzle the money.:rocking:

[RAVENOUS52]

imo they will let bart walk, franchise ray and show t sizzle the money.:rocking:

Homey, you just somewhat captured what I was thinking, except for the franchising Ray part.

Bisciotti will find a way to pay #52 IMHO though, because although he's technically "old" for a football player at his position, Ray Ray is still as good an MLB as there is in the league. If not physically, then most definitely he leads in the mental and leadership categories by a mile.

[Andon]

I want to keep all three. As a Ravens fan since 1996 and as a resident of Baltimore, I believe all of our power is in our defense. If one of those 3 backers is gone next year, I don't know what I would do with myself.

[RAVENOUS52]

Hey, we lost Adalius Thomas and our defense recovered, so take that to heart, Andon...

[HoustonRaven]

Protect the O Line and let the market determine which of the 3 LB's stays and goes.

I suspect if Suggs and / or Scott leave us, they will fall in line with AD -- someone who turned average when Ray isnt there to draw attention of the opposing teams coaching staff.

[festivus]

If one of those 3 backers is gone next year, I don't know what I would do with myself.

You'll come up with something. Fishing, barbecue, there are lots of good hobbies out there.

Only so many salary cap dollars you can throw at each position. You like the offensive line? Get ready to pay Jason Brown.

[UKRaven]

I have a feeling Suggs is gone after this year no matter what happens.

I think we can keep Scott around. But Suggs seems like he will not be around next year for some reason.

Spot on! Suggs simply wants too many $$$'s to stay around - the money for two good players. We LIKE to have superstars - but we don't NEED them.

Scott should be paid for his loyalty to us in walking out on the Browns.

I also had the idea that Ray should be offered an owners share package - rather that lots of money. I suggest someone should chack out the legality of sure a deal before we discuss it too much.

[Jeremiah W]

Spot on! Suggs simply wants too many $$$'s to stay around - the money for two good players. We LIKE to have superstars - but we don't NEED them.

Scott should be paid for his loyalty to us in walking out on the Browns.

I also had the idea that Ray should be offered an owners share package - rather that lots of money. I suggest someone should chack out the legality of sure a deal before we discuss it too much.

The Packers already defined the parameters of such a package, and it would be prudent to produce a similar packack to present our most prolific players. J.O. gave back a chunk of cash he could have collected. If Bama and The Ohio State university are boosting on the side, you have to think billionaire buis barons have bagmen in bunches.

[RAVENOUS52]

I say we bring in the Ruston Rifle himself as our QBs Coach...

For the nostalgia alone, if nothing else!

[Losac]

The Packers already defined the parameters of such a package, and it would be prudent to produce a similar packack to present our most prolific players. J.O. gave back a chunk of cash he could have collected. If Bama and The Ohio State university are boosting on the side, you have to think billionaire buis barons have bagmen in bunches.

Billick, is that you?

[ChampRavens]

Suggs is a beast on gameday and he's just entering his prime. More importantly, he's a playmaker. Maybe not quite the caliber playmaker of Ed Reed or Ray Lewis, but edging closer to that level all the time.


I dont disagree. I just think that Suggs will require more, and will be asking for more money and he is younger. I think there will be more teams after him thus making it harder to keep him a Raven.

My insight was not play-based, it was market/player based. Suggs seems like a "cash in" player.

Scott already showed himself to take less (from the Stains) a few years ago because he liked it here.

That is what my opinion was based on.

[Khaine]

Let Suggs go - He is going to want - and someone will be willing to pay - more than we need to spend on him.

Hopefully we can keep Scott and Ray. Assuming neither of them are looking for a big, big payday we can at least keep those two.

[jonboy79]

Screw it, as long as we keep Ray and Jason Brown I'm happy. Barnes/Gooden/Ray/JJ isn't a bad LB corps...

[RAVENOUS52]

Scott took less a few years ago because he didn't want to be a Cleveland Brown, period. After he arrived for his campus visit he quickly realized that the grass wasn't greener on the other side!

[RAVENOUS52]

Good observation, TRAP...

I believe I saw Ed Hartwell applying for a job at the local UPS Store in Reisterstown last time I was home...:069:

[RAVENOUS52]

....And T-Sizzle continues to be a force to be reckoned with.

Talk about ruthless aggression...I thought D. Anderson was gonna file sexual harassment charges against Suggs, he molested him so much yesterday!

The explicit celebration dance afterward was just icing on the cake!

I say again: We MUST re-sign #55...Holla!!

[HoustonRaven]

Eh.

If he wants prime money, then I still say no thank you. I still think he's an average LB when you get him away from all the other talent.

Speaking of ex-Raven talent, I think AD had a whopping 2 tackles yesterday.

[RAVENOUS52]

Well at least you're not letting the FACTS get in the way of your opinion! :rolling:

[HoustonRaven]

Well at least you're not letting the FACTS get in the way of your opinion! :rolling:

Cheap shot aside, what facts do YOU speak of?

I seem to remember an off season of him whining and complaining, appearing on TV in NY gear and generally being a PITA towards he team he "loves". Oh, and really nice to see he has grown up and stopped the chest thumping. That's always a great thing when you have an old school coach. :261695:

It's going to take more to sway me other then a handful of sacks against win-less teams.

We've been down the FA linebacker road before ....

[RAVENOUS52]

Cheap shot? All I said was the truth-- You are totally ignoring what he's producing on the field (FACTS) and then attempting further to minimize that production by referring to his current dominance as "a handful of sacks against win-less teams".

Suggs can only play against the teams on our schedule, right? And they are NFL teams, right? Then why the attempt to cheapen what he's accomplished so far this season?

And personally, I love the chest-thumping our defense does. It pumps up the crowd and the rest of the team. Harbaugh probably loves it too...;)

[HoustonRaven]

I am not ignoring anything.

Yes, he has 2 sacks and 7 tackles. Good Job, Terrell. But what I was providing was some perspective. He has those stats against two of the worst O lines in the game right now. Someone could make the argument "why doesnt he have more?" I don't happen to agree with that line of thinking, but someone could make the case.

If he is this productive by week 10, I'm on your bandwagon 100%

[RAVENOUS52]

He will be. Look for double-digit sacks this season from Sizzle. And a couple of INTS/Forced fumbles... ;)

Edited addition-- He doesn't have more because our offense has been hogging the clock like a Pissburgh female hogs a meatball hoagie... :grbac:

[UKRavenStockers]

Why are you looking across the entire unit Houston? He got one or both of those sacks (can't remember for sure) against Joe Thomas, dude was pro bowl calibre last year and Suggs was eating him up all day for pressure and sacks.

Suggs is a top quality defender and this system does not make him, we've adapted the system to ensure that we get the best from him in terms of us not having to make him a square peg in a round hole at either DE or LB, he's a round peg in a round hole as a hybrid defender. We must lock him up long term. The NFL only quantifies sacks in terms of pass rushing and that is just not the full extent of what a pass rusher does. Suggs might not be worth Freeney money, but we aren't going to find someone of his calibre immediately on the open market. We might find a rookie Suggs in the draft, but then we've traded in a three down defender for a one down defender, and that's not a reasonable trade off in my opinion.

As for Thomas only having two tackles, I presume you actually watched the game to know how well he played? Because we all know that just reading the box score is the be all and end all of analysing how players perform in a game isn't it? :rolleyes:

[HoustonRaven]

Edited addition-- He doesn't have more because our offense has been hogging the clock like a Pissburgh female hogs a meatball hoagie... :grbac:

:rolling:

That we do agree on!

[HoustonRaven]

As for Thomas only having two tackles, I presume you actually watched the game to know how well he played? Because we all know that just reading the box score is the be all and end all of analysing how players perform in a game isn't it? :rolleyes:

I did watch it and he played decent. Did he play up to his contract though? IMHO, NO!

As for Suggs, I'm sorry but I am not sold. He really pissed me off this off season. The Ravens have become a clearinghouse of LB talent -- which is a good thing. But the result of that are mediocre players who over achieve because the defense is so stacked.

I am NOT saying this is Suggs, I AM saying it remains to be seen. Like I said, by week 10 I will be convinced.

[UKRavenStockers]

I think if you pay the big bucks for a handful of plays over the course of the season, then no, Adalius Thomas might not have lived up to his contract in New England. But if you're looking for consistent down after down performance (as I would be) then I think Thomas has certainly lived up to his contract. He was played out of position for much of last season until Colvin's injury and still played extremely well at ILB where he has little to no experience of playing consistently.

[Greg]

Re: Has Terell Suggs silenced the critics?

YES! I would think so, but apparently there are still some concerned.

[Losac]

As for Suggs, I'm sorry but I am not sold. He really pissed me off this off season.

Yes, we get it. Suggs pissed you off because he wore a Yankee hat and asked for as much money as he could get (just like every other NFL player does).

[UKRavenGordon]

I was down of TSizzle before the season but he has impressed me. Yesterday was the first game I'd seen this year and he was fantastic.

As for the chest thumping... Well I spent most of the game yesterday thumping my own chest in celebration!!!

[RAVENOUS52]

YES! I would think so, but apparently there are still some concerned.

Hey, if my favorite Windbag is convinced, then that says it all for me!:rolling:

But seriously, in addition to his sacks (which are quantifiable), Suggs also negatively affected several passes Anderson threw, causing them to land harmlessly off target instead of into the hands of Edwards and Steptoe.

I'm sure Michael Phelps thanked T-Sizzle for helping him take a sizeable lead in his bet with Braylon!:ww:

[bmorebirds_24]

As for the chest thumping... Well I spent most of the game yesterday thumping my own chest in celebration!!!


i am with you on that.i did so much chest pumping i am sore today.my throat ribs and chest hurt from thumping and screaming.


i never see anything wrong with having a little fun and beating your chest or flexing a muscle shit i make a sack on madden the roof bounces on the top of my house.its all in fun


as for suggs i think he is really playing great this year.yes he has 2 sacks but he has a forced fumble i think 2 pass deflected i dont know how many hurries.he is playing outstanding i know what he brings to the table.he is one linebacker i think could leave and still be just as good on another defense.though i dot wanna think that way.he is proving to me that he is the real deal not to mention he has gotten better in coverage and has really been a force in run stopping the last 2 years.

[Jeremiah W]

He really has to talk to Jason Taylor or Sapp or someone about his sack dances though. Terrible. Just terrible. I am a big fan of his, and hope he remains a Raven, but I don't want to see that sack dance again.

Joe Thomas was blocking him pretty well, but when he swapped to the RT he beat him like a drum. He can come from anywhere or drop into coverage. He is no Ray Lewis as far as finding big hits in space, but he is a very good all around player. There is no way we can just let him walk, but I would trade him in a second for Boldin.

[section553]

Here's the plan --- Steve B, listening?

Sign Suggs at market price, Sign Bart below market with many incentives/escalators, Sign Ray at vet-minimum but offer him a 10% ownership stake in the team. ;-)

You cant be serious

[HoustonRaven]

Yes, we get it. Suggs pissed you off because he wore a Yankee hat and asked for as much money as he could get (just like every other NFL player does).

The Yankee hat ....

The constant PUBLIC complaining all summer long ....

Unreasonable requests for salary after a very average year .....

The list goes on. Nice try trying to paint my words into a box though.

[purplepoe]

The constant PUBLIC complaining all summer long ....


For someone who always demands quotes or links, I'd like you to provide some evidence of this.

Your track isn't exactly great when it comes to stuff like this.

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

Bottom line is, Suggs PERFORMS.

All that other stuff is meaningless if he gets it done on the football field.

[Rayvens52]

The Yankee hat ....

The constant PUBLIC complaining all summer long ....

Unreasonable requests for salary after a very average year .....

The list goes on. Nice try trying to paint my words into a box though.

Who gives a shit about the yankees hat, the Orioles have sucked for over 10 years now, and we as Bmore fans have held how many boycots against the O's.

His complaining was all about wanting to be signed, if I was him I would want it also and I am pretty sure every player goes and asks for as much as possible.

I really hope you are kidding about the chest tumping though, these guys are paid to play a very fun and violent game, they are asked to be as jacked up as possible each and every play and when they make one I would expect nothing less, this is a sport not an office. Do you hate Tiger for his fist pumps...it is all part of playing sports...I am thinking you never played at a high level if you can not understand this.

[HoustonRaven]

Do you hate Tiger for his fist pumps...it is all part of playing sports...I am thinking you never played at a high level if you can not understand this.

Fist pumps are one thing. Giving a theatrical skit after the most routine of tackles is quite another.

I dont see Tiger, who is as classy as they come, chest bump and pump, egg on Phil, do a a hole digging routine and then scream at Phil's caddy.

I HAVE seen Suggs do these things to the opposing team every time he simply does his job. Whatever happened to acting like you've been there before? Sorry, but I agree with old schoolers like Artie Donovan on this one.

And yes, I have played as much high level sports as you have.

[bmorebirds_24]

who cares who played what sport and at what level the ravens are winning and these players are playing well enough to be excited.some of you guys would hate playing against me or even with me.i like to talk get excited pump my chest flex a muscle do whatever it takes as long as i am winning and having some fun.

[RAVENOUS52]

As long as T-Sizzle continues to do this:

http://media.ohio.com/images/SPORTS-FBN-BROWNS-RAVENS-12.JPG

He can chest pump, cabbage-patch, moonwalk or whatever else makes him happy...:banana: :rocking:

[crowdog89]

As long as T-Sizzle continues to do this:

http://media.ohio.com/images/SPORTS-FBN-BROWNS-RAVENS-12.JPG

He can chest pump, cabbage-patch, moonwalk or whatever else makes him happy...:banana: :rocking:


As long as the Ravens are winning....I hate to see that kind of behaviour when you look up at the scoreboard and the good guys are behind by a grunch....

I agree though, we need to keep Suggs....he's an important cog in the wheel.

[Losac]

The Yankee hat ....

The constant PUBLIC complaining all summer long ....

Unreasonable requests for salary after a very average year .....

The list goes on. Nice try trying to paint my words into a box though.

When was he "constantly complaining" in public? Sorry but I don't remember him badmouthing the organization or the city. He did the same thing CMac did 4 years ago and every other player does in their contract year. It's the BUSINESS side of the NFL.

Ray Rice just admitted he's a Yankee fan too - I guess now he's on your shit list? These guys didn't grow up around Baltimore. Just because they were drafted by the Ravens are they supposed to cheer for every Bmore sports team?

[crowdog89]

When was he "constantly complaining" in public? Sorry but I don't remember him badmouthing the organization or the city. He did the same thing CMac did 4 years ago and every other player does in their contract year. It's the BUSINESS side of the NFL.

Ray Rice just admitted he's a Yankee fan too - I guess now he's on your shit list? These guys didn't grow up around Baltimore. Just because they were drafted by the Ravens are they supposed to cheer for every Bmore sports team?

I'm a Pirate fan....I'm on everyones shit list.....:wrong :D

[RAVENOUS52]

I'm a Pirate fan....I'm on everyones shit list.....:wrong :D

I'll cut you a break since you actually are a Sailor...That's kinda like a pirate, I guess...:nerd: :eyes:

[Sports Steve]

Here's the plan --- Steve B, listening?

Sign Suggs at market price, Sign Bart below market with many incentives/escalators, Sign Ray at vet-minimum but offer him a 10% ownership stake in the team. ;-)

Nice plan

[Dave Lap]

Suggs is a beast on any team. He has the physicality to manhandle most defenders and the quickness to get around them when he can't. He has good instincts and uses them to blow up plays in the backfield. He's average at pass coverage.

My 02.

[HoustonRaven]

When was he "constantly complaining" in public? Sorry but I don't remember him badmouthing the organization or the city. He did the same thing CMac did 4 years ago and every other player does in their contract year. It's the BUSINESS side of the NFL.

Ray Rice just admitted he's a Yankee fan too - I guess now he's on your shit list? These guys didn't grow up around Baltimore. Just because they were drafted by the Ravens are they supposed to cheer for every Bmore sports team?

:read

It's the total package HE is putting out there. Not sure YOU keep focusing on the Yankee thing.

[purplepoe]

:read

It's the total package HE is putting out there. Not sure YOU keep focusing on the Yankee thing.

Sorry Houston but you're punting.

Where are the quotes you seem so convinced about hearing or reading where Suggs complained all summer.

He probably spoke the least of all players that were franchised.

In fact, I don't recall him ever complaining about the tag.

PP

[crowdog89]

Sorry Houston but you're punting.

Where are the quotes you seem so convinced about hearing or reading where Suggs complained all summer.

He probably spoke the least of all players that were franchised.

In fact, I don't recall him ever complaining about the tag.

PP

I agree. About the only thing I can recall that Suggs did, was to not go to training camp as a protest to the tag.....which a LOT if not MOST players who get tagged do.

[RAVENOUS52]

I agree. About the only thing I can recall that Suggs did, was to not go to training camp as a protest to the tag.....which a LOT if not MOST players who get tagged do.


That's my whole point!! The defense has suffered ZERO from Suggs not being at training camp.

Suggs is balling hard each game and writing his ticket to the Pro Bowl, as well as climbing his way into the Ravens record book as our alltime leader in sacks (he'll do it, too!).

That's all you can ask of a football player! Play hard and play your best!:ref:

[RAVENOUS52]

Another big game, another great Terrell Suggs performance.

Stout against the run and the opposing QB's worst enemy. Hell, I even saw him dropping into coverage against the Stoolers a couple of times last night.

#55 is earning that big payday a game at a time...And our defense is the beneficiary of his exemplary play...Holla!:happyanim