Lot J to be shut down - converted to casino - threads merged

[GirlsKickButt]

For anyone who tailgates on Lot J as I do, I have some really bad news.

Apparently, the land that Lot J is on, was bought yesterday by Baltimore City for a new slots palor. My friend who got me the pass, was just informed about the sale. (It is also in the Baltimore Sun, but it isn't referenced to as Lot J.) As of right now, the Ravens and the State have no clue what's going on and are going to meet with city officials.

Since all Ravens lots are full, moving to another lot is not an option. So, we might be SOL for the remaining games this season. And we are definitely SOL for next season and beyond.

Thanks for those of you who voted for slots on Tuesday because it's fallout is going to create a lot of angry, displaced Ravens fans.

:mad: :mad: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

[Mista T]

If the new downtown casino location refers to Lot J, it sucks! :ref: Is there any other Ravens stadium lot south of the stadium (other than the players' and VIP lots)? See Sunpaper (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-md.slots06nov06,0,7897980.story):


Baltimore OKs buying property for casino
City makes $4.1 million move in flurry of slots-related activity

By Gadi Dechter
November 6, 2008

Thirteen hours after Marylanders voted to legalize slot-machine gambling, Baltimore officials approved yesterday the city's $4.1 million purchase of land south of downtown for a proposed casino......

In Baltimore yesterday, the city Board of Estimates voted 4 to 1 to pay $4.1 million for a parking lot site the city hopes to lease to developers vying to bring slots to the city. The land, currently used for Ravens football parking, was appraised at $3.7 million, said M. Jay Brodie, the president of the Baltimore Development Corp.

I had heard earlier that the City had been looking for land adjacent to the Greyhound Terminal for the casino, but in the subsequent story of the Ray Lewis connected development between Lot J and Greyhound, it appeared that Lewis' group was going to acquire all that strip of land.

If it is Lot J, our only hope would be that the casinos would be closed on game-days (not likely!).

Anyone with more knowledge than this dumbshit Sun cub reporter, please chime in!

[SHORTTRACK]

Thanks for those of you who voted for slots on Tuesday because it's fallout is going to create a lot of angry, displaced Ravens fans.

Gosh I'm sorry I didn't think of that. I was only thinking about how ALOT of in state $$ is spent in surrounding states due to slots (& not only at the casinos/track but also restaurants, hotels, bars, gas stations, convenience stores, etc.) And the failing MD horseracing industry (the possibilty of losing the Preakness) and all of those whose livelihoods are involved and how if this state can push scratch offs, the Pick 3, the pick 4, Keno, bets at race tracks, etc. that is was pretty silly to continue to push the revenue associated with slots to WVA, DE, PA.

I should have voted no to question #2 because some fans will have to find a new lot 8 x a year.......

[RustonRifle]

Thanks for those of you who voted for slots on Tuesday because it's fallout is going to create a lot of angry, displaced Ravens fans.

:mad: :mad: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

-As opposed to people losing their jobs , immeadiate higher taxes and the Preakness moving. See where I'm going here?

[WxKevin]

If we were being displaced because of them putting a Poker Parlor so I didn't have to drive to the dump that is A.C., then I would be OK with moving. I did vote for Slots but I didn't know it would affect my drinking on Sunday mornings!

[camdenyard]

Since all Ravens lots are full, moving to another lot is not an option. So, we might be SOL for the remaining games this season. And we are definitely SOL for next season and beyond.

If they do anything with that lot this year, there will be hell to pay. I have four passes in my hand that say I can park there.

Maybe the HILTI lot is still an option...

This sucks.

[camdenyard]

I saw the graphic on the late news last night, and it is definitely Lot J.

We are screwed for next year. Time to find another option.

[Mista T]

I talked to Cynthia today: we are definitely fucked!!! The Maryland Stadium Authority hasn't evicted Central Parking yet, but it's inevitable.

[flraven]

Wow, that does suck royal. I was surprised to hear that slots even passed in MD.
Wonder if the Ravens will do anything to accommodate all that tailgate in Lot J?

[4G63]

Hmmm...deleted message. Anyways, money talks and bullshit walks......

[Greg]

This is a terrible location for the venue. Not because we are losing our tailgate lot (we can see if Steve can get us in over where they have REAL toilets), but because it will be a nightmare for parking during Ravens and Orioles games combined with the gambling parking. THIS IS IDIOTIC. If the place draws anybody it will make parking during games terrible, not to mention traffic.

This is idiotic.

[middleriverterp]

Tough break guys. Still seems like an odd place for a slots parlor, down past M&T in a neighborhood of broken-down warehouses and BARCS. I guess they plan on upgrading the entire neighborhood (resturaunts and bars) to get walk-up traffic from the inner harbor and downtown hotels.

[Greg]

I am for slots but changing the state constitution to do it was a mistake and thus voted against it.

That said, I don't think anything will happen this season.

[Greg]

They will probably buy and tear down a lot of those other buildings. They will need it for parking. Otherwise parking during games will be impossible. They will be taking several hundred spaces away and adding who knows how many cars and buses with people coming to the slots parlor.

If they don't raze a bunch of the other buildings this will a monumental clusterfuck during Ravens games and the occasional Os game that draws a big crowd.

[Ravannapolis]

Great .... like parking passes were easy to come by to begin with.

[RAVENOUS52]

Tailgate at the Casino, drink all their free beer and liquor, then place a bet on the Ravens just prior to gametime...:kewl:

[Bez513]

Great .... like parking passes were easy to come by to begin with.

Yeah...NS...I guess my wait for a pass just went back another 5-10 years!:ref:

[middleriverterp]

Tailgate at the Casino, drink all their free beer and liquor, then place a bet on the Ravens just prior to gametime...:kewl:


Unfortunately there won't be a sports book or table games. Just slots for the blue hairs.

[Losac]

Thanks for those of you who voted for slots on Tuesday because it's fallout is going to create a lot of angry, displaced Ravens fans.

:mad: :mad: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Boy, guess the financial future of the state along with the possibility of losing the Preakness is a little more important than where you park 8 Sundays a year.

BTW - we should have had slots 4 years ago if it weren't for Busch, Miller and O'Malley blocking it at every turn. Now suddenly slots are the savior now that we have a Democrat in the State House.

Also, there are plenty of cash lots around the stadium.

[f7eleven]

Tailgate at the Casino, drink all their free beer and liquor, then place a bet on the Ravens just prior to gametime...

I wish that were true, but we're only getting slots. No table games, no sports betting and prolly no free beer.

The South side of the stadiums should be really nice though, eventually. With Ray's sports complex, casinos and some new bars. They could develop that area all the way to the water too and create Harbor-South! That would be way cooler than parking lots and empty warehouses.

[SHORTTRACK]

I do not park in Lot J but have many friends that do and I have occasionally dropped by and had a few cold ones there. The biggest issue IMHO is (while there are other "pay" lots that can accomodate some more cars) where are the buses and RV's that park there going to go? There's quite a few of them. For the rest of you check out the lot that I park in if I am not in the GMC lot....It is on Stockholm just past the GMC lot and it is large. The other issue is how much are you paying...most cash lots (along with the one I just mentioned) are $40

[GirlsKickButt]

I am for slots but changing the state constitution to do it was a mistake and thus voted against it.

That's the exact reason I voted against it.

BTW - we should have had slots 4 years ago if it weren't for Busch, Miller and O'Malley blocking it at every turn. Now suddenly slots are the savior now that we have a Democrat in the State House.

Another reason I voted against it.

If you think slots will solve Maryland's financial issues, they won't. It will just encourage more spending the legislature. Also money coming in for education from slots will supplant money already used for education, not add additional funds to education spending. Again, that means more money for our elected officials to spend. Slot revenues will not start appearing until 2012. Finally, the process outlined for the licenses will not get what they are truly worth.

Hey, I'm all for slots. I've been to Vegas once this year and will be going again 10 days. If I'm not in Vegas, I go to A/C every other month to get my video poker and craps fix. I'm a degenerate gambler. And I want the horseracing industry to be competitive with other states.

I wanted slots, but this was not the way to go about it.

Back to Ravens conversation...

I agree with who ever said there would be hell to pay if we were shut out of the lot. I know I'd be contacting a lawyer that specializes in class action suits. But I don't see how they could kick us out to after the season.

Lot J is horrible to get out of after a Ravens game. It takes about 1 hour for traffic to clear. That would be the LAST place I'd put a slots palor. The infastructure would need a major upgrade. And who wants to go to a slot place that's surround by old industrial buildings? Oh, and you got to like how the city can easily come up with $4.1M for land but yet they complain about their revenues. Unreal.

[Greg]

Tailgate at the Casino, drink all their free beer and liquor, then place a bet on the Ravens just prior to gametime...

Well, in their infinite wisdom I believe the legistlature included an amendment that prevents the distribution of free booze. And they will only have slots and video terminals, no sports book or table games.

[Mista T]

Boy, guess the financial future of the state along with the possibility of losing the Preakness is a little more important than where you park 8 Sundays a year.

BTW - we should have had slots 4 years ago if it weren't for Busch, Miller and O'Malley blocking it at every turn. Now suddenly slots are the savior now that we have a Democrat in the State House.

Also, there are plenty of cash lots around the stadium.

That's quite a reach, Losac! The casino could have been located 1/4 mile south (closer to the bus terminal to attract those who like to ride busses). The reason not? Ray Lewis and developers are next door to Lot J and will get the spillover spending from casino patrons without losing valuable their own valuable land. Or the City could have relocated the dog pound anywhere in Baltimore and placed the casino on that property. Either would still have it on the Camden Yards site.

I supported slots because we are facing a double-barrelled tax hit at both State and Federal levels as the idiotic electorate places Socialists in high offices. If slots had failed, I could see another 5% hit on my income. But I am quite pissed that the factoid of Lot J wasn't made known until immediately after the election.

As to the cash lots: how can these small lots absorb 500 cars and 30+ busses and RVs? There's a reasonable likelihood that I'll have to give up tailgating in favor of Light Rail! :thumbdown:

[pyite32]

the idiotic electorate places Socialists in high offices.

As to the cash lots: how can these small lots absorb 500 cars and 30+ busses and RVs? There's a reasonable likelihood that I'll have to give up tailgating in favor of Light Rail! :thumbdown:

Ignorant

and

:34853_waah:

[camdenyard]

As to the cash lots: how can these small lots absorb 500 cars and 30+ busses and RVs? There's a reasonable likelihood that I'll have to give up tailgating in favor of Light Rail!

Maybe we can tailgate in the light rail lot!

[Greg]

Ignorant

and

:34853_waah:

Do you have anything of value to add?

This is a bad location, how in the hell is the slots parlor going to handle their parking during a Ravens game?

[The Fanatic]

Alright, so when do we find out if we're screwed for the remainder of this year?


Regarding next year and beyond, I'm down for just about anywhere as long as it's not a major walk each way.

So who is gonna do the investigating?

I'd love to, but my days are spent on the road nowhere near a phone.

[HoustonRaven]

I would not be surprised in the least of the State sticks it to Bisciotti and the Ravens over something as simple as party affiliation and not offer a replacement lot.

[The Fanatic]

This is a bad location, how in the hell is the slots parlor going to handle their parking during a Ravens game?

I got to laugh at this.

I'd be willing to bet that our local government wasn't bright enough to think about this or didn't give a crap in it's apparent over zealous approach to acquireing this lot.

[Mista T]

Alright, so when do we find out if we're screwed for the remainder of this year?


Regarding next year and beyond, I'm down for just about anywhere as long as it's not a major walk each way.

So who is gonna do the investigating?

I'd love to, but my days are spent on the road nowhere near a phone.

Per Sylvia, we ae OK through the end of the season. Not sure re playoffs.

As to next season, I'm already working a search party to find a small to midsized lot to lease. Bankrolling it should not be hard b ecause of the number of people we can get to commit, but finding a decent property will be. It's going to be tough -- no way will we be able to match Lot J.

We really got fucked over. :(

[The Fanatic]

Per Sylvia, we ae OK through the end of the season. Not sure re playoffs.

As to next season, I'm already working a search party to find a small to midsized lot to lease. Bankrolling it should not be hard b ecause of the number of people we can get to commit, but finding a decent property will be. It's going to be tough -- no way will we be able to match Lot J.

We really got fucked over. :(


Getting fucked is pretty much the norm when it comes to the little guy and stuff like this.

Like I said earlier, I'm good just about anywhere as long as it's not a mega walk to and from.

I can park a chair on an asphalt lot just as easy as a grassy plot, but the little bit of shade we get on the hot days will be missed.

I think we're in the beggers can't be choosy type situation right now though.

[ravensfan1996]

I am for slots but changing the state constitution to do it was a mistake and thus voted against it.

That said, I don't think anything will happen this season.

From what I heard if its put up to to a vote it has to be a part of the consitution. Since the state couldnt get it to pass themselves, to a vote it went.


Sorry to hear about you guys losing yout lot. And someone asked will they accomodate you?? There isnt any room down there to do that. I do have any idea for you all though, Call CBS radio (1300am) and see if they have any LOT O passes left, they were selling some this year. They are numbered spaces though, i do own 2 next to each other there that i sell each year to pay for my lot H pass.

[FredGrau]

Do you want me to check into the Sharp-Leadenhall school (across the street from Lot H where the vendors are) for next year? If so, how many spots would we need?

[Mista T]

Do you want me to check into the Sharp-Leadenhall school (across the street from Lot H where the vendors are) for next year? If so, how many spots would we need?


Yes ... about a dozen to 20 would be nice, but 1/2 dozen for starters.

[Mikerobe]

I am for slots but changing the state constitution to do it was a mistake and thus voted against it.

I thought the same way., These cowards shot down the slots proposal twice while Erlich was Governer, and didn'thave the stones to bring it up for a straight forward vote, less some of them sully their carefully crafted reputations. Jerks!

I agree that the location is totally bogus due to the added traffic nightmares during Raven and Oriole games. The stupity of those in charge amazes me, as does the people who keep putting them in power.

[PurplePill]

My understanding is that they are going to buy up a lot of those run down warehouse properties south of the stadium and are building a sports/casino complex. Should have bars, restaurants, etc. If it's done right I think it will be a BIG improvement over that mess that's there now.

I'm not happy about lost parking either but in the end I think renovating that area will be a big plus to the city.

[pyite32]

My understanding is that they are going to buy up a lot of those run down warehouse properties south of the stadium and are building a sports/casino complex. Should have bars, restaurants, etc. If it's done right I think it will be a BIG improvement over that mess that's there now.

I'm not happy about lost parking either but in the end I think renovating that area will be a big plus to the city.

AMEN!

You can't stop capatalism for a tiny parking lot.

[octscotts]

I'm a little pissy too about the fact that my name on the permit waiting list just dropped big time. I did vote slots primarily because I'm on the Eastern Shore and it's ridiculous the amount of money that our people give to DE via Harrington and Dover. Plus, I work in higher ed and know the effects that the shortfall was going to have on our tuition. Hopefully, you guys won't be too displaced. I know cash lots suck. Can't tell you how much I love dropping $40 each Sunday to park at Staples for my little corner of the tailgating world. That being said, Baltimore showed dramatic improvement when the harbor was built up. I'd love to see the area around the stadium revitalized. The only potential downfall I can see is it is going to make Baltimore an even more favorable road game for incoming teams and their asshole fans. We try to do a road game each year and last year we did Buffalo (along with about 5,000-7000 of our closest friends...:-) The one thing we kept hearing was why would you come here to Buffalo? There's nothing here. At least Baltimore has stuff to do.

[HoustonRaven]

My understanding is that they are going to buy up a lot of those run down warehouse properties south of the stadium and are building a sports/casino complex. Should have bars, restaurants, etc. If it's done right I think it will be a BIG improvement over that mess that's there now.

I'm not happy about lost parking either but in the end I think renovating that area will be a big plus to the city.

:word

That part of the city is a crap hole right now. I am sad that the folks here will lose thier lot, but in the grand scheme of things it's a big win for the city.

[middleriverterp]

Although I do mourn the loss of this lot, if it means more of downtown gets the Inner Harbor treatment I am behind it. I always thought the southside of the stadium pales in comparision to other city's stadiums with it's run-down warehouses.

[Ravenswarrior19]

The only potential downfall I can see is it is going to make Baltimore an even more favorable road game for incoming teams and their asshole fans.

85% of the seats at M&T are PSL owned (or some percentage close to that). The other 15% sell out in 20 min. each year. If we don't want travelling assholes invading our house, I think we all know how to prevent it.

Let's hold ourselve to a higher standard than those sell-out Redskin fans. :hammer:

[PurplePill]

Yes ... about a dozen to 20 would be nice, but 1/2 dozen for starters.

Be aware that virtually every year the city threatens to close the Sharp-Ledenhall school to tailgating. There have been complaints about drinking, public urination, etc so don't be surprised if this lot becomes off limits in the near future too.

[camdenyard]

There have been complaints about drinking,

Noooooo! Drinking? In a tailgate lot?

[PurplePill]

Noooooo! Drinking? In a tailgate lot?

Problem is that it's a city elementary school that leases the lot to the Ravens Nests. Technically alcohol is not allowed on public school property. They have sort of overlooked this detail and happily accepted the cash, but as complaints come in from school employees that have told the Nest to tone it down or risk losing the lot.

I tailgated there the last three years but now take a bus up to the games. I know they instituted a policy that drinks must be served in cups. No driking from beer cans anymore.

[RAVENOUS52]

No driking from beer cans anymore.

Now that's just Un-American...:thumbdown:

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

-As opposed to people losing their jobs , immeadiate higher taxes and the Preakness moving. See where I'm going here?

how about families breaking up and going broke because their daddy has a gambling problem? husbands spending their paycheck on gambling...divorce rate up because daddy has a gambling problem.....daddy doesn't come home until late at night because he's at the casino spending his entire paycheck trying to break even...gambling is an addiction and a bad thing...I could careless about the Preakness...I've lived in this state all my life never been to the Preakness and the Preakness has never done anything for me...it has never put food on my plate...People like you need to get your morals straight...gambling is bad and evil money:thumbdown:and the sales pitch for the Maryland Lottery was: it is going to help fund schools...a yea :thumbup:

[pyite32]

how about families breaking up and going broke because their daddy has a gambling problem? husbands spending their paycheck on gambling...divorce rate up because daddy has a gambling problem.....daddy doesn't come home until late at night because he's at the casino spending his entire paycheck trying to break even...gambling is an addiction and a bad thing...I could careless about the Preakness...I've lived in this state all my life never been to the Preakness and the Preakness has never done anything for me...it has never put food on my plate...People like you need to get your morals straight...gambling is bad and evil money:thumbdown:and the sales pitch for the Maryland Lottery was: it is going to help fund schools...a yea :thumbup:

It's slots...

People can make their own decisions, and be responsible for their own actions.

[RustonRifle]

how about families breaking up and going broke because their daddy has a gambling problem? husbands spending their paycheck on gambling...divorce rate up because daddy has a gambling problem.....daddy doesn't come home until late at night because he's at the casino spending his entire paycheck trying to break even...gambling is an addiction and a bad thing...I could careless about the Preakness...I've lived in this state all my life and the Preakness has never done anything for me...it has never put food on my plate...People like you need to get your morals straight...gambling is bad and evil money:thumbdown:and the sales pitch for the Maryland Lottery was: it is going to help fund schools...a yea :thumbup:

Get a clue... What, do you live in a cave, eat dinner by candlelight, use a animal for transportation? This isn't the stone age my friend.

If someone wants to gamble their money away they have plenty of venues to do it, lottery, horse racing, bookies, internet, taking a short ride to one of neighboring states that have slots and a whole host of others. Not having slots won't stop gamblers from blowing their cash just like having slots won't make addicts out of anyone that doesn't already have a problem.

On another note you do know that Camden Yards/M&T was built by finances from gamblers, without that influx of cash the facilities wouldn't have been built nor would we have the Ravens so shovel you're moral high ground bull elsewhere, hypocrite.

[Losac]

how about families breaking up and going broke because their daddy has a gambling problem? husbands spending their paycheck on gambling...divorce rate up because daddy has a gambling problem.....daddy doesn't come home until late at night because he's at the casino spending his entire paycheck trying to break even...gambling is an addiction and a bad thing...I could careless about the Preakness...I've lived in this state all my life never been to the Preakness and the Preakness has never done anything for me...it has never put food on my plate...People like you need to get your morals straight...gambling is bad and evil money:thumbdown:and the sales pitch for the Maryland Lottery was: it is going to help fund schools...a yea :thumbup:

:grbac:

How about a little thing called personal responsibility? Oh I bet someone with a true gambling problem would never do it if slots weren't in MD, right? It's not like they couldn't play the lottery or Keno here, or go to Pimlico or Laurel to bet on the ponies, or drive a short distance to West Virginia or PA, or even 3 hours to Atlantic City for full-casino gambling.

You guys who shovel your moral agenda down everyone's throats make me sick. I always knew your takes on football were idiotic, but now i see you're the same way on other topics too.

[Bez513]

how about families breaking up and going broke because their daddy has a gambling problem? husbands spending their paycheck on gambling...divorce rate up because daddy has a gambling problem.....daddy doesn't come home until late at night because he's at the casino spending his entire paycheck trying to break even...gambling is an addiction and a bad thing...I could careless about the Preakness...I've lived in this state all my life never been to the Preakness and the Preakness has never done anything for me...it has never put food on my plate...People like you need to get your morals straight...gambling is bad and evil money:thumbdown:and the sales pitch for the Maryland Lottery was: it is going to help fund schools...a yea :thumbup:

Umm....Maryland has funded gambling addition for many years now...it's called the MD lottery. Pick 3, Pick 4, Match 5, Keno, Scratch-offs....etc. You can get addicted to them just as bad as playing slots. So get off you morals soap-box.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

It's slots...

People can make their own decisions, and be responsible for their own actions.
slots first.....what's next? soon my money will be going to fund your gambling issues:(

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Get a clue... What, do you live in a cave, eat dinner by candlelight, use a animal for transportation? This isn't the stone age my friend.

If someone wants to gamble their money away they have plenty of venues to do it, lottery, horse racing, bookies, internet, taking a short ride to one of neighboring states that have slots and a whole host of others. Not having slots won't stop gamblers from blowing their cash just like having slots won't make addicts out of anyone that doesn't already have a problem.

On another note you do know that Camden Yards/M&T was built by finances from gamblers, without that influx of cash the facilities wouldn't have been built nor would we have the Ravens so shovel you're moral high ground bull elsewhere, hypocrite.

:rolling:

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

:grbac:

How about a little thing called personal responsibility? Oh I bet someone with a true gambling problem would never do it if slots weren't in MD, right? It's not like they couldn't play the lottery or Keno here, or go to Pimlico or Laurel to bet on the ponies, or drive a short distance to West Virginia or PA, or even 3 hours to Atlantic City for full-casino gambling.

You guys who shovel your moral agenda down everyone's throats make me sick. I always knew your takes on football were idiotic, but now i see you're the same way on other topics too.

so why are you shoving your unethical morals down my throat?:nerd:

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

:grbac:

How about a little thing called personal responsibility? Oh I bet someone with a true gambling problem would never do it if slots weren't in MD, right? It's not like they couldn't play the lottery or Keno here, or go to Pimlico or Laurel to bet on the ponies, or drive a short distance to West Virginia or PA, or even 3 hours to Atlantic City for full-casino gambling.

You guys who shovel your moral agenda down everyone's throats make me sick. I always knew your takes on football were idiotic, but now i see you're the same way on other topics too.

you make me:eck15: too

[pyite32]

People are really stupid today...

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Umm....Maryland has funded gambling addition for many years now...it's called the MD lottery. Pick 3, Pick 4, Match 5, Keno, Scratch-offs....etc. You can get addicted to them just as bad as playing slots. So get off you morals soap-box.

I don't play the lottery either....:eyes: I work to hard for my money...why do you people who want gambling keep attacking people who don't? I see it differently than you...can't you just respect my point of view and move on?:respect Truth hurts and you all need to attack someone to make yourselves feel better :229031_confused2: That's sad :(

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

?

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Get a clue... What, do you live in a cave, eat dinner by candlelight, use a animal for transportation? This isn't the stone age my friend.



get a life:nerd:

[Greg]

From what I heard if its put up to to a vote it has to be a part of the consitution. Since the state couldnt get it to pass themselves, to a vote it went.
They got enough votes in the legislature to put it on the ballot, that was enough to just go ahead and pass it. But they didn't have the balls.


You can't stop capatalism for a tiny parking lot.
It isn't just the single lot. One, parking is short now. Two, the parking will be made ridiculous when they open a slots parlor that will have how many cars coming to it?

If they raze all of the old buildings there and we end up with more parking then fine, but as it stands now this is idiotic.

And it isn't capitalism when the government buys things, that is called socialism.

[Losac]

so why are you shoving your unethical morals down my throat?:nerd:

Who is shoving anything down your throat? Slots and the lottery are there. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play. If you're morally against it, don't take part. You are the one who wants them banned because you are opposed to them. Maybe people should be free to make their own decisions?

[Bez513]

I don't play the lottery either....:eyes: I work to hard for my money...why do you people who want gambling keep attacking people who don't? I see it differently than you...can't you just respect my point of view and move on?:respect Truth hurts and you all need to attack someone to make yourselves feel better :229031_confused2: That's sad :(

I don't play the lottery or the number of different things it has. I work hard for my money too. Your the one that came out and sad "gambling is bad and evil money". Is gambling bad? Is it evil? That's "your" truth...not mine. You opened the can pal...what else do you expect?

[PARavensJeff]

And it isn't capitalism when the government buys things, that is called socialism.

Welcome to the new USSR, the United States Socialist Republics & our top comrade Obama!!!

Did you really expect less from Owe'Malley, Busch, Miller & Felon Dixon? If you love Maryland & what they have done on the state level wait until January when it's rolled out over the whole USA thanks to Tuesday!!

[octscotts]

For the past 8 years we've been hearing how slots were going to be the downfall of Maryland and it's people. Little old ladies were going to blow their social securities on slots. People would be drawn into the world of gambling and jeopardize their family. Poor Ocean City wouldn't be the family-friendly resort that it is now. (Yeah, right). The thing is, this was the exact same argument that was around 15 years ago when they were trying to get Keno in Maryland and none of those fears have come to be. I'm not going to get into the morality of gambling, but slots won't be the deciding factor. You can gamble right now without leaving the privacy of your own home. Here on the Eastern Shore, I've seen our neighbors to the west of us in Delaware benefit from the money that goes there. I've never played the slots in my life but I'd like to know that if I get an itch to do so, every penny I drop in there will go to my kid's education and not somebody in Delaware, New Jersey or even worse West Virginia or Pennsylvania.

[RAVENOUS52]

When did this place become a fucking political board?:187734:

Guess it's nearly time to find someplace else to migrate and get my Ravens fix if the inmates are going to be allowed to run the asylum...:grbac:

:wrong War The Insider's Board, Part Deux!! :wrong

[Losac]

When did this place become a fucking political board?:187734:

Guess it's nearly time to find someplace else to migrate and get my Ravens fix if the inmates are going to be allowed to run the asylum...:grbac:

:wrong War The Insider's Board, Part Deux!! :wrong

Agree Ravenous. People need to take their political takes about the election to another board because it's already getting old over here.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Who is shoving anything down your throat? Slots and the lottery are there. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play. If you're morally against it, don't take part. You are the one who wants them banned because you are opposed to them. Maybe people should be free to make their own decisions?

just speaking my peace of mind...You have the right to your opinion too;)

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

I don't play the lottery or the number of different things it has. I work hard for my money too. Your the one that came out and sad "gambling is bad and evil money". Is gambling bad? Is it evil? That's "your" truth...not mine. You opened the can pal...what else do you expect?
You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine....we can agree to disagree, so let it go...capish :eyes:

[Bez513]

I hear ya...back to football. But...you started it...:p

[pyite32]

They got enough votes in the legislature to put it on the ballot, that was enough to just go ahead and pass it. But they didn't have the balls.


It isn't just the single lot. One, parking is short now. Two, the parking will be made ridiculous when they open a slots parlor that will have how many cars coming to it?

If they raze all of the old buildings there and we end up with more parking then fine, but as it stands now this is idiotic.

And it isn't capitalism when the government buys things, that is called socialism.


Last I heard this was going to be much more than what the Government bought, Bars, restaurants, shops, BUSINESSES.

[PARavensJeff]

Sorry, was only trying to offer some humor

[RavensDomination]

Sorry, was only trying to offer some humor

humor, around here? Good luck! ;)