Class Action Case against NFL !!!

[ravenfever_com]

OK .. I am not joking with this. This is not a publicity stunt... This is real!

We as fans have a simple contract with the NFL that we should have fair officiating of the games. The NFL violated that agreement today when they awarded a 1st down that was reviewed and should have been over turned.

We as fans need to take this matter seriously and we need to act to protect the level of play and the level of officiating that we expect when we purchase tickets to watch a NFL Game.

I need a show of support and we can have this case reviewed and ready for file !! I want this to be only fans based and NO (( I MEAN NO )) firm other then the filing Law Office should get any press other then the FANS and PSL Holders !

I would say that the minimum damage from the poor calls was the price of the game ticket! That alone should get the NFL in the pocket and make them think about the true fan!

Yes or No?

[RavenDavey]

Count me in!!

There is supposed to be irrefutable evidence to overturn a call.

The spot was CLEARLY a poor spot, and the replay shows he did not make the first down. That is irrefutable evidence and the call should have been overturned!!

The ball NEVER broke the plane and there was no evidence otherwise. The call "on the field" should have stood as called!!


BITE ME NFL!!!!!!

[ravenfever_com]

Guys and Girls... I will check this tomorrow and see how many people want to be in:

We need:

PSL Owners or Fans that Purchased Tickets and have the Ticket from the game only!

Once we have some support on this board, I will contact a Towson Lawyer to start our case.

We need to make this happen to show the NFL that we want FAIR games !!

I am not letting our team off the hook as they still needed to shut the Stiller Down .. I am just saying to the NFL that we as FANS want real calls!

[Lawrence Glick]

Count me in guys! I love making waves. Besides, I 've got all the time in the world! Let us all know what we can do!

[Lawrence Glick]

I'm sorry, I don't have season tickets, as I am confined at home. But if a "pissed off fan" with cancer can be of any help, I'm there!! (lol)

[ravenfever_com]

Once we get support .. I will get David Preller in Towson to look at how we can move forward. He is also a PSL holder. If we have any Lawyers on the boards that would rather take this action and run with it !! Post now !! I am not looking for anything other then getting the NFL to pay us fans for the wrongful officiating ! If upon review of our PSL agreement we find we have no case then I guess the matter is mute.

But for now !! Baltimore will be heard from ..

Now like I said in other post .. The game that matters to beat the Stillers in is the AFC Championship Game !! Then we can make it the the Super Bowl and send the Stillers Home !!! Then we will hear .. but we beat you 2 times LOL But we can reply ... Well then you must have the RING to prove it then !! LOL

Let's send the NFL a message !

[darb72]

I didn't get to go to the game since I live 10 hours away.

I'm behind you 100% in this though. Something has to be done about the horrible officiating in the league right now.

[ravenfever_com]

I really think that most teams (Chargers for example) also have claims and if this goes big time then maybe we even get money for the fans that do not have tickets. They purchase gear and watch the TV and that makes the NFL more money anyway!

We need to fight this one out! It will not change the outcome of the game ... but maybe it will keep it fair in the future!!

[darb72]

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I can't find the e-mail for fan complaints. This will work though.

[Rayvens52]

I am in 100%. That 1st dow call was bullshit along with the TD call, Fuck the NFL and all it's zebras

[polkadot cadaver]

I'm in too !Yeah ! Let's file a lawsuit !

How about a lawsuit against the NFL for overhyping the supposed "great" Baltimore defense every year. You know , the "great" defense that gave up a 90 yard drive to lose the game. Maybe you should focus on that instead of TD that may or may not have been an inch short. The 89 and 7/8 yards given up before that should just be ignored because afterall,this defense is "great "

[raidersfan]

Hey guys, I'm a Raiders fan. I set up an account just to give my sympathies to you all. I wasn't pulling for either team, but you guys got screwed. I couldn't believe that first down call, but I didn't really get pissed until the touchdown call. I already think Walt Coleman has a special place in hell for the Tuck Rule game, but this just confirms it.

[ravensfan1996]

The problem with those calls today are it isnt cut and dry or black/white. The "1st down' did look short....but in the replay you cant see the ball, only the players and the assumption of where the ball is, unfortunately thats not enought to overturn, and call on the field stands, same with the TD, its soooo close that the nose of the ball is touching that "imaginary" line....its a subjective call....I didnt think it went across but it wasnt blatantly obvious it wasnt in.

We lost the game cuz we couldnt punch it in the endzone on 3 tries we had down their end, and couldnt stop them on the last drive.....its sucks...but thats it......now we got a beat a surging cowboys team away next week....and hope the pats and dolphins lose.

[Beerracuda]

I didnt think it went across but it wasnt blatantly obvious it wasnt in.



And there's the problem I had with that play. The ruling on the field was that it was not a TD. I saw nothing in the replay that showed irrefutable evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.

[ravenfever_com]

Please note... DO NOT RESPOND TO THE STILLER FANS that try to get into the thread to say it was our D that lost the game. Sure I already said that we needed the Stillers stopped on the last drive out of FG range to win the game and that was our team that did not hold them off.

However I will respond to the 1st down that gave them 3 points:

The ball was in the arms of the player and the player never made it past Ray Lewis! Ray was on the first down marker and that is 100% clear in all replays!

Total 100% BS !!! The TD like I said was 50/50, however I do not think it should have been overturned. The game should have went into OT and let them play it out with out the Refs!

[festivus]

The problem with those calls today are it isnt cut and dry or black/white. The "1st down' did look short....but in the replay you cant see the ball, only the players and the assumption of where the ball is, unfortunately thats not enought to overturn, and call on the field stands, same with the TD, its soooo close that the nose of the ball is touching that "imaginary" line....its a subjective call....I didnt think it went across but it wasnt blatantly obvious it wasnt in.

We should have executed. But we got hosed on both those calls. And the TD call was overturning the call on the field.

We got hosed by the officials.

[xmradiodave]

I typically take the "Oh, well... it is what it is" attitude toward suspect calls, but I have watched replay after replay of that phantom TD, and I can NOT see where the ball breaks the plane. Watched it on the jumbo tron, watched it on line in slow motion... can not see it. Fuck it... officiating blew this one. Would it have changed the ultimate outcome of the game? Can't say, but it should have gone to OT.

[yeahravens]

I have been saying this for years.

It is one thing when an official misses a call, but when it gets reviewed and turns against you twice in one game and once last week, something isn't right.

I think back to the Cleveland game with the field goal called good on the field, game over, not reviewable, and they get on the phone, go in the booth and reverse it.

You could start the case with the bullshit expansion bidding, where the two best packages are not taken in lieu of Jacksonville and Carolina.

Count me the fuck in, or if you just want to storm the main office in New York, I'll burn the fucker down. I really won't burn anything, it just sounded good.

[RustonRifle]

...and people think the Rooney rule was a provision to hire minority coaches? Total bull, reality says the Rooney rule indicates any owner with serious NFL clout gets the benefit of any close call, never was it more apparent than the game yesterday. I'll quote Phil Simms "I don't even think his helmet reached the first down marker".

[RavenTD]

For ball spotting they should have a sensors in each nose of the ball and GPS tracking or whatever to pinpoint the point of the ball.They do it in Tennis,its time to do it in the NFL.

Old men with fading eyes,trying to look through a wave of flying bodies and mayhem at 100 mph just doesn't cut it anymore.

[ravenfever_com]

UPDATE !!! We had our meeting with David Preller of Preller & Preller in Towson . David said this type of case would cost around $20,000 in fees to file, however he would not expect any payment from the NFL due to the fact it would open the door on all sports officiation. He does believe that the case would prove a major point to the NFL and would force the NFL to make better calls. We would need to raise $20,000 to start the case. Those paying would be named in the suit. The rest of the claims would be part of the Class Action however would only get a smaller payment in the unlikely event of a settlement that involves payment.

We would sue for the total ticket price of all seats in the stadium (around $7 mm)

Who is really in on this idea? Like I said the chances of us seeing a dime is slim to none... But our VOICES will be heard !

[crazyraven]

Who is really in on this idea? Like I said the chances of us seeing a dime is slim to none... But our VOICES will be heard
This reminds me of a campaign that was put together when I first bought my tickets to the ravens....I think it was called diaper day. I remember scatching my head about that one and I seem to be doing the same thing here

[darb72]

I'll send y'all ten bucks if it'll help. I don't care about seeing a dime of the money if we actually win, I just want that ref thrown out of the league.

[camdenyard]

It should never have come down to an official making a bullshit overturn based on "evidence" that certainly could not be deemed "irrefutable".

We let them hang around with lame offensive play, just like we let the Titans hang around, and in the end (both times) the D screwed the pooch.

We can play with those guys, but we need to finish the deal.

[f7eleven]

For ball spotting they should have a sensors in each nose of the ball and GPS tracking or whatever to pinpoint the point of the ball.They do it in Tennis,its time to do it in the NFL.

Old men with fading eyes,trying to look through a wave of flying bodies and mayhem at 100 mph just doesn't cut it anymore.

Or hire that math dude from the Greatest Game Ever Played, who proved Gifford didn't have the first down.

[The Raven Guru]

RAVEN RANT:

"The quality of refereeing in the NFL has come into question in the past several weeks with some very strange and controversial calls with enormous ramifications. NFL commissioner Goddell has been scrutinizing and fining players for everyday occurances (DUI, etc) to which it is the resposiblity of the law to administer justice. He has done nothing to address the serious questions that have been brought to light by some very strange calls by many refs including Walt Coleman. I have never in my life seen more flags picked up and replays simply gotten wrong every week in almost every game. It has become standard practice for the league to send apology letters to teams when errors are made by the refs, and many of these letters have gone out recently. When do I get my apology letter? When will Goddell clean up the obvious credability problem the NFL is headed for, the appearence of any inpropriety must be addressed now before we have another Donaughy on our hands. To think it happened in the NBA and that was completely isolated is simply being unrealistic. The amount of money being wagered nowadays on sports it requires commissioners like Goddell to do his job and protect the public by keeping his sport free from any possible perception of inpropriety. He seems much more interested in the personal life of the players then he does in making sure his refs are without reproach. I am calling for everyone to cut and paste this letter and send it to NFL headquarters as it is commissioner Goddell's job to make sure these games are being played on a "level playing field", which he has not done and is neglegant in not pursueing these issues. Do your job Goddell, and clean up the obvious appearence of outright bogus refs, Walt Coleman needs to answer some very difficult questions. If you don't ask these questions then you have no right to fine one single player for anything, you are on a pulpit of ethics yet you allow this complete appearence of inpropriety in how games are being called. DO YOUR JOB!"

The Raven Guru

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[The Raven Guru]

rf- You are absolutely right, the technolgy in Tennis has eclipsed that used in the NFL. When was the last time someone walked into a casino to bet on a Tennis match, yet they are extremely careful to get the calls right. What is wrong with the commissioner and his failure to address these issues? Serious questions are coming up every week and the NFL offices must be spending a fortune in postage sending out apology letters. Why we don't have some type of electronic device that clearly can prove whether the ball breaks the plane of the goal line as it calls for in the rules of the game is a complete mystery to me and negligence on the commissioners part.

[Losac]

This is pathetic. Why don't you get everyone to start a chant at the next home game? Something like "Better Refs Now! Better Refs Now!". You can do it at the start of the second quarter right after "Put Art In!".

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Why do I even read this board anymore?

[HoustonRaven]

I will still read, but I agree with Losac 100%.

Hey, you know what champion teams do?

THEY DONT LET A GAME COME DOWN TO ONE CALL!

I know this is a news bulletin for some, but the officials are HUMAN. Maybe the quality has dropped, maybe it has not. That's for much smarter people then I to decide.

What I do know is dynasty teams like the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers (yes, I said it) and the Pats all have set the bar high so this presise situation does not happen!

You go ahead and file some silly law suit that will make us look like a bunch of whiners..

Me, I will continue to hope Harbs takes this team to a level where one call, good or bad, does not determine the game (or season).

I am more proud then ever of our team.

[RAVENOUS52]

I knew the Stoolers would need help to win the game, but I never expected it to be from the officials. This game was so reminiscent of the Tennessee game, it's ridiculous.

[ravenfever_com]

Losac,

Yes this was for real. Yes I was and am serious. I am a FAN and a very loyal fan at that! Listen if you pay for seats you should expect a honest game. Ok so maybe I am also pissed at our team. Yes we should have never let them go from the 8 to the goal line. Yes we should have score more then field goals! YES YES and YES !! I agree 100% that the win or loss should not have been only due to the officials !!!

However, as a Fan and as a paying customer to the NFL I expect the level of the officiating to be correct. I due and will always expect that they should have the same goal of only making the correct call and overturning mistakes when challenged.

Are we a better team then most people thought at the start of the year? Yes !

Now TRAP? Yes I know how much money the NFL has and yes this can be done for $20,000 total!!!! Here is what we know will happen.

#1) Case will be filed in Baltimore City
#2) NFL Will Defend
#3) We will call Mr Coleman as a witness
#4) NFL will send a lawyer on his behalf and a letter from Coleman.
#5) NFL will ask for an injunction to stop the case
#6) We will ask for a settlement that includes policy changed to prevent poor officiating.
#7) The NFL will work a simple solution and offer no payment to settle the case

Now what good does this do for us? It shows the NFL that FANS care and Demand the TRUTH !!! That is simple as it gets!

Now for the money !!! $20,000 is less then 29 Cents per Seat !!! I know I can afford that ... Can you???

[HoustonRaven]

Shades of a UFO cover up ...

[Losac]

Losac,

Yes this was for real. Yes I was and am serious. I am a FAN and a very loyal fan at that! Listen if you pay for seats you should expect a honest game. Ok so maybe I am also pissed at our team. Yes we should have never let them go from the 8 to the goal line. Yes we should have score more then field goals! YES YES and YES !! I agree 100% that the win or loss should not have been only due to the officials !!!

However, as a Fan and as a paying customer to the NFL I expect the level of the officiating to be correct. I due and will always expect that they should have the same goal of only making the correct call and overturning mistakes when challenged.

Are we a better team then most people thought at the start of the year? Yes !

Now TRAP? Yes I know how much money the NFL has and yes this can be done for $20,000 total!!!! Here is what we know will happen.

#1) Case will be filed in Baltimore City
#2) NFL Will Defend
#3) We will call Mr Coleman as a witness
#4) NFL will send a lawyer on his behalf and a letter from Coleman.
#5) NFL will ask for an injunction to stop the case
#6) We will ask for a settlement that includes policy changed to prevent poor officiating.
#7) The NFL will work a simple solution and offer no payment to settle the case

Now what good does this do for us? It shows the NFL that FANS care and Demand the TRUTH !!! That is simple as it gets!

Now for the money !!! $20,000 is less then 29 Cents per Seat !!! I know I can afford that ... Can you???

Well good luck with all that, chief.

[Ravensarge]

Forget it. You have to show some type of real loss / damage. Unfortunatly, the only thing we loss was the game and that damaged our egos. Fuck the Stools and their fans. Oh, yes.... fuck the refs!!

[ravenfever_com]

Real loss was the true face value of the game tickets .. However we moved on from this idea and changed to using the State of Maryland Consumer Protection Service and the letter to the NFL and Congress!

It is free and will take less time to get any action.

[ravenfever_com]

MODS can we get a LOCK PLEASE ???