NFL Supplemental draft held today

[ravenmad71]

Im not up on the list of potential draftees..Is anyone else familar with any of these players.? Would any of these players be worth a giving up a selection in 2010 draft.??? Fla St Wr Corey Surrency peaks a bit of interest....6'5 210 from Miami
6th round pick.??? Based or career stats: see link

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=382288


Any team that takes a player in the supplemental draft forfeits the pick in that same round for the 2010 process.

Eight players are eligible this year: Jarmon, Western Kentucky linebacker Blake Boyd, Southern Mississippi receiver Torris Magee, Texas Tech defensive end Dixon McKinner, Central Michigan guard Joe McMahon, Tennessee safety Demetrice Morley, Kansas State receiver Deon Murphy, and Florida State receiver Corey Surrency

[effo5231]

Im not up on the list of potential draftees..Is anyone else familar with any of these players.? Would any of these players be worth a giving up a selection in 2010 draft.???

Any team that takes a player in the supplemental draft forfeits the pick in that same round for the 2010 process.

Eight players are eligible this year: Jarmon, Western Kentucky linebacker Blake Boyd, Southern Mississippi receiver Torris Magee, Texas Tech defensive end Dixon McKinner, Central Michigan guard Joe McMahon, Tennessee safety Demetrice Morley, Kansas State receiver Deon Murphy, and Florida State receiver Corey Surrency

As far as the receivers go Surrency is huge, slow and has character issues. Magee has a rap sheet and even more character issues. And we already drafted Deon Murphy, he's been playing for us under the alias "Yamon Figurs" for a while now.

Pass.

[Jeremiah W]

If we are going to draft a Wr next year, we may as well take one now with a late round pick. The guy from FSU is pretty big and faced well know comp.

[baltimore_hokie]

i hear jarmon may go for as high as a 3rd rounder, theyre looking at him as a 4-3DE.

[effo5231]

If we are going to draft a Wr next year, we may as well take one now with a late round pick. The guy from FSU is pretty big and faced well know comp.




Surrency is a king-sized wideout with the size to certainly create some mismatches at the next level. However, after running in the 4.65 range at his recent pro day, the NFL now looks like a bit of a long shot. He has long list of character concerns, and his talent is only borderline NFL-worthy and by no means makes up for his troubles off the field.

Like I said.... Big, slow, and makes bad choices, if we're going to take a guy who's 6'5 and makes dumb decisions I'd rather it be Matt Jones... At least he's fast.

ETA: As far as the whole "faced well known comp" thing, wanna know how he did? 12 catches. 237 yards. Woo... next Jerry Rice that guy. His best game came against Chattanooga where he racked up an astounding 3 catches for 87 yards.

[Jeremiah W]

Like I said.... Big, slow, and makes bad choices, if we're going to take a guy who's 6'5 and makes dumb decisions I'd rather it be Matt Jones... At least he's fast.

ETA: As far as the whole "faced well known comp" thing, wanna know how he did? 12 catches. 237 yards. Woo... next Jerry Rice that guy. His best game came against Chattanooga where he racked up an astounding 3 catches for 87 yards.

alright. I never said he was the next DHB or anything, just that he is tall and from FSU, but I did not see them much this year.

How bout them other guys or pass rushers?

Also there may have been a lot of people saying the same things about Gaither. This guy may not be worth a draft pick, but if any of them are, it is nice to get an extra year out of the pick you have to spend since they are going to be on the P squad or bench anyway, but then much more prepared for the regular rookie season like Gaither was.

[HoustonRaven]

Like I said.... Big, slow, and makes bad choices, if we're going to take a guy who's 6'5 and makes dumb decisions I'd rather it be Matt Jones... At least he's fast

Agreed .... just posted the same in another thread. After reading this, I am more comfortable with someone who has everything to lose:

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-nwa-matt-jones-drug-court-graduate,0,3352021.story

[effo5231]

alright. I never said he was the next DHB or anything, just that he is tall and from FSU, but I did not see them much this year.

How bout them other guys or pass rushers?

Also there may have been a lot of people saying the same things about Gaither. This guy may not be worth a draft pick, but if any of them are, it is nice to get an extra year out of the pick you have to spend since they are going to be on the P squad or bench anyway, but then much more prepared for the regular rookie season like Gaither was.

Sorry... I was up all night and got snappy... You're right though, then again, if any of these guys are worth getting you can bet your bippy that Oz knows about them and is ready to make a move.

[JoeCool5]

I'd much rather take Jarmon as a potential replacement for Pryce. If he is a true 4-3 DE, then that works for us, as Mattison has publicly stated we will run a lot more 4-3 schemes this season. Plus, you can never have enough pass rushers.

[baltimore_hokie]

I'd much rather take Jarmon as a potential replacement for Pryce. If he is a true 4-3 DE, then that works for us, as Mattison has publicly stated we will run a lot more 4-3 schemes this season. Plus, you can never have enough pass rushers.

but is he worth the 3rd rounder we would likely have to give up to get him? probably not. i am hearing that most of the teams looking at him are 4-3 schemes that want him to trim down a little.

[JoeCool5]

"but is he worth the 3rd rounder we would likely have to give up to get him? probably not. i am hearing that most of the teams looking at him are 4-3 schemes that want him to trim down a little."


I don't know much about him to say if he is or is not worthy of a 3rd round pick. But I do know there were a whopping 18 teams at his pro day, so he obviously has some skill. And if he needs to trim down a little, fine...that's what training camp is for. Also, it isn't like he would start for us...at most he would play on special teams and come into the games during when we are running a 4-3 scheme. Very little risk if you ask me...I say we should take him.

[baltimore_hokie]

the issue would be if we put our 3rd on the table, there are about 20 other teams that have better 3rd round picks that would get him before us. we would likely have to give up a 2nd rounder for this guy. and for 18 teams being at his pro day, what else do the college scouts have to do right now? i would expect every team to be there at this point in the year.

[jonboy79]

alright. I never said he was the next DHB or anything,

Funny that's the name yoiu mention, another guy that is all measurables... no production.

[Jeremiah W]

the issue would be if we put our 3rd on the table, there are about 20 other teams that have better 3rd round picks that would get him before us. we would likely have to give up a 2nd rounder for this guy. and for 18 teams being at his pro day, what else do the college scouts have to do right now? i would expect every team to be there at this point in the year.

The order is not the same as the lst draft. i think they do a lottery to determine the order.

[baltimore_hokie]

"The league uses a weighted three-step, semi-lottery system to determine the order of the supplemental draft as follows:

Teams with six wins or less participate in the first lottery for the top supplemental draft picks. The team that posted the worst record among that group is given a weighted advantage over the following team, with each team's "weight" being decreased on down the line until reaching the team with the best record in the group.
The second group consists of non-playoff teams and follows the same weighted system.
The third group consists of last season's 12 playoff teams and, again, follows the same lottery system."

we would be behind at least 20 teams in front of us...

[Jeremiah W]

Funny that's the name yoiu mention, another guy that is all measurables... no production.

I think there is a big difference between the measurables size and speed. Plenty of guys are 6'4, 220, but can not run a sub 4.6 or would have got drafted. If you can run a 4.3, they will draft you and try to teach you the rest, including how to get bigger.

[jonboy79]

I think there is a big difference between the measurables size and speed. Plenty of guys are 6'4, 220, but can not run a sub 4.6 or would have got drafted. If you can run a 4.3, they will draft you and try to teach you the rest, including how to get bigger.

You act like you can't train speed. I've seen good HS/COL athletes drop a full second off a 100m dash time in one season of speed training. I'd imagine that relates to at least a couple of tenths in a 40...

But that's besides the point... The point is that our FO and coaching staff value FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Football players produce on the field.

[Jeremiah W]

You act like you can't train speed. I've seen good HS/COL athletes drop a full second off a 100m dash time in one season of speed training. I'd imagine that relates to at least a couple of tenths in a 40...

But that's besides the point... The point is that our FO and coaching staff value FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Football players produce on the field.

I agree, but plenty of ver good college football players, simply were not fast enough to compete in the NFL despite having all the other skills.

[srobert96]

Im not up on the list of potential draftees..Is anyone else familar with any of these players.? Would any of these players be worth a giving up a selection in 2010 draft.??? Fla St Wr Corey Surrency peaks a bit of interest....6'5 210 from Miami
6th round pick.??? Based or career stats: see link

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=382288


Any team that takes a player in the supplemental draft forfeits the pick in that same round for the 2010 process.

Eight players are eligible this year: Jarmon, Western Kentucky linebacker Blake Boyd, Southern Mississippi receiver Torris Magee, Texas Tech defensive end Dixon McKinner, Central Michigan guard Joe McMahon, Tennessee safety Demetrice Morley, Kansas State receiver Deon Murphy, and Florida State receiver Corey Surrency

I read one analysis of Surrency that says he has speed as well as size. The fact that he received his GED while in jail shows you a bit about the baggage he brings to the table.

I never thought Gaither would last until the 5th round and for that reason I would be surprised if Jarmon goes before the 5th. I immediately thought of him as a good potential replacement for Pryce but certainly not for anything higher than a 4th rd pick.

[effo5231]

I read one analysis of Surrency that says he has speed as well as size. The fact that he received his GED while in jail shows you a bit about the baggage he brings to the table.


Surrency ran in the mid to high 4.6's at his Pro Day. If he had been productive in college, I could excuse that as evidence of being a gamer rather than a workout wonder... But he was just as uninspiring collegiality. The only thing he has going for him is being roughly the size and weight of a tight end... although a touch slower... and not as good a blocker....

[srobert96]

And there you have it.

Foreskins took Jarmon with a 3rd Rd pick. It is probably a good pick up for them as they are lacking in DEs.

He was the only player picked.