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BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 07:56 AM

There's a thread started by PurpleCat on the Sun's Orioles board calling out Nasty and his 'Moons'. Apparently, there are some inconsistencies in some of the posts that they have taken issue with. PurpleCat himself called in this morning.

Angelos sucks and the O's once proud franchise is a laughingstock. Anyone have a better idea than the rally? I plan on attending if I can.

Someone needs to call out that f'ing meat stacker. No one else in this town has the balls to do it (except maybe Anita Marks). :D

BTW - I voted for Steven Miles because the other guy works for Angelos. That's how much I despise the meat stacker (he is big enough for that job, isn't he?).

End of rant. Back to talking about a real franchise.

Go Ravens!

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 08:01 AM

Brandon

09-12-2006, 08:04 AM

They were highly upset that the baltimore sun message board posters...two or three in particular, were against the "take back the orioles" rally because nestor's name and radio station were attached to the rally. they said they would be more inclined to support the rally if nestor's name and station were not part of it or were not gaining notoreity from the rally. The gals on the morning show spent the better aprt of the morning crying over it....

I don't blame Terry and Drew and Jeremy for calling them out. I read that thread and the posters and the thread justs reeks of stupidity. At least one of the posters (PurpleCat) had the integrity of calling up and speaking with Terry and Drew about their post.

highwater

09-12-2006, 08:12 AM

Well, the morning show guys should be able to handle a little critcism, as mean-spirited as they can be at times.

Btw, I don't listen to WNST much, but last week I tuned in for a few minutes and heard some of that "Nestor's Life Story As Told By Nestor." I'm not sure what the point of it was, but it was so odd it was funny. It was just like someone on this board described it a week or so ago -- "I'm just a boy from Dundalk," "Here I was, a kid from Dundalk," "Who'd have thought that a poor boy from Dundalk," etc. I don't know if it had any connection to the rally, since I didn't hear the beginning or the ending (it must have gone on for 15 or 20 minutes), but it was pretty strange.

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 08:13 AM

the bottom line, my opinion, is that I feel drew and terry do not understand how many people out there dislike nestor and what he stands for...believe me, it is a huge number of folks who do not like the guy or his true reasons for what he does....I think that is where many people are coming from.....

BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 08:15 AM

I'm just a guy from Dundalk, and look at where I am now.

Oh God, life has passed me by.....

Mista T

09-12-2006, 08:33 AM

drew and terry do not understand how many people out there dislike nestor and what he stands for...believe me, it is a huge number of folks who do not like the guy or his true reasons for what he does...

Can you educate us a little? What does Nestor do, and what are the true reasons? I have seen Nestor enthusiastically lead thousands of Ravens fans into opponents stadiums -- what's the problem with him?

:mrt:

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 08:42 AM

camdenyard

09-12-2006, 08:47 AM

I think Nestor is over the top at times, but it cannot be denied that he is a true fan.

I think there a people who can't stand the fact that he promotes himself as being from modest roots and how he built the radio station himself. I don't have a problem with that. The bottom line for me is that he brings a sports talk station to the area. The more competition, the better.

I do have my doubts about this "rally". It is a waste of time in my opinion. Angelos will never sell the team due to any outside pressure. Especially pressure from those he despises.

Brandon

09-12-2006, 09:11 AM

Can you educate us a little? What does Nestor do, and what are the true reasons? I have seen Nestor enthusiastically lead thousands of Ravens fans into opponents stadiums -- what's the problem with him?

:mrt:

What does Nestor do? He loves the city of Baltimore. He loves Baltimore Sports, and he built a BALTIMORE SPORTS station with LOCAL sports hosts from the ground up. He is at the point now where he can enjoy the fruits of his labor and I think people envy that. People won't admit it, and they will spin it anyway they can to deny it.

Rochardrik

09-12-2006, 09:15 AM

it is fairly simple...nestor is all about himself....and his true reasons are to bring as much attention to himself as he can...case in point...his moons lately....all about him....his website?....all pics of himself....go around town and you will find out quickly how many people despise the guy....
Nestor is, without a doubt, an unlikeable person to many. I wouldn't have a person, personality, such as his, as a friend, but he is a Baltimore fan. His radio station has the best sportstalk shows, Bob Haynie is a good listen, especially. I don't know how this rally could be less about him or his station. The T-shirts do not invoke his or the station's name, but it is a logical vehicle for the promotion of the rally. The "Moon" episodes are very self-serving, but are intended to set the stage for the rally. They are intended to show how one boy, now a man,'s love for a team with a very storied franchise has been corrupted by Bad ownership, bad management, bad moves, and an obvious disdain, or disregard of the fans by the owner! He was evidently asked to leave the stadium 2 years ago for some reason or other, and has an obvious hard-on for Pete, but in my opinion it is well justified! If you go to the web-site, there is an enormous list of absolutely appalling moves by Petros, which most of us were not privy to, at least the real happenings behind the scenes. If only half of them are perfectly accurate, the cause is Just, and justified. While he may not be the one you, or others would like to lead the movement, it is a good cause. Remember what happened in the early 80's when we stood idly by and let DICKHEAD irsay ruin our Colts, just so he could move them? This is at least an attempt to keep our beloved baseball team here, and I for one am all for it!!!:bag:

ravenmaniac

09-12-2006, 09:29 AM

highwater

09-12-2006, 09:40 AM

The point was to write a book about his memories of growing up with the O's and going to games with his dad. Its to bring to light how Effed up the O's are today and how kids today aren't getting that experiece.

Oh, okay, so there is a connection. Like I said earlier, I don't listen to WNST much, and I only heard the middle of this life-story Moon, so I wasn't sure what the point was (except to mention repeatedly that he's a "boy from Dundalk").

I am neither a fan nor a detractor of Nestor, and I share his utter disdain for Angelos, but I also doubt this rally will accomplish anything. Like CamdenYard said earlier in this thread, Angelos will not do anthing as a result of any outside pressure. He just isn't wired that way. It might provide a means of letting frustrated fans vent, but it won't encourage him to sell.

BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 09:46 AM

I am neither a fan nor a detractor of Nestor, and I share his utter disdain for Angelos, but I also doubt this rally will accomplish anything. Like CamdenYard said earlier in this thread, Angelos will not do anthing as a result of any outside pressure. He just isn't wired that way. It might provide a means of letting frustrated fans vent, but it won't encourage him to sell.

We can only hope that there is some fallout from the rally. Nestor has alluded to the fact that certain media outlets are or will be involved. I can only assume that as the group of people involved gets larger, so does the possibility of local and/or national coverage. That is why, folks, someone who owns his own radio station is the perfect conduit for this type of rally. What is so hard to grasp about this?

Anyone got a better plan short of an accurately tossed Molotov cocktail to the owner's box? (Preferably when the owner is in said box, of course. And standing up so you can spot him).

Bez513

09-12-2006, 09:47 AM

I will say one good thing for Nestor. I grew up in Dundalk and my brother and cousin know him personally. I got my seats in Section 513 because of him. He gave me a name of a person to call in the TO to get my seats and he helped me out. I thanked him for that.

I give him credit trying to do something about the downfall of the Orioles and getting Angelos out. It's better then nothing.

df1570

09-12-2006, 09:48 AM

I guess BirdBrain (seems fairly appropriate) didn't really listen much this morning.

So I'll give you all the EXACT reason for our thoughts this morning and then once you are equipped with the facts, you are welcome to post your criticisms and/or support for what we said.

We were not upset with people for criticizing the rally on 9/21. We field phone calls every day from people who are "against it" in some way, shape or form. If you think the rally is a bad idea, call in. If you think we're mistreating the Orioles, call in. If you want to criticize, call in.

Our topic today was based on the fact that people (Baltimore Sun.com and O's hangout to name two) have posted messages saying they SUPPORT the rally and its concept but will NOT attend the event on 9/21 because they think it's unfair that WNST has attached its name to the rally and could, somehow (no one has told us how yet), actually benefit from such involvement. There are numerous people "out there" who think "something needs to be done" relative to the Orioles but haven't come up with an original idea in their life. And then they have the balls to say, "Your idea is a good one but I don't think you should benefit from having the good idea." Huh?

The show this morning was not a pity party. You are absolutely welcome to NOT support the rally and you can call the show tomorrow morning and voice your displeasure with the event.

What baffles me is how people who consider themselves sports people and/or marketing experts would post something and say, "I'm not going to the rally because I think it's a disgrace that WNST has attached its name to it." How the hell else do we get the word out? WBAL isn't promoting a rally. WJFK isn't promoting a rally. The Examiner isn't promoting a rally. The PressBox isn't promoting a rally. None of the TV stations are promoting the rally. Most of those people are in bed with the Orioles and are petrified to do anything like this. We are putting this event on and in order to "spread the word" and get people to hear about it, don't we have to promote it through our radio station? If we don't promote the rally we're putting together, how on earth is anyone going to find out about it?

That was the point this morning. BirdBrain didn't hear the whole show, evidently, or just decided to come up with an agenda that favored his/her position without being fair.

Now, armed with the FACTS, you can flame away if you like and I will gladly digest your thoughts and use them on the air tomorrow morning if applicable.

DF

ravenmaniac

09-12-2006, 09:52 AM

Like CamdenYard said earlier in this thread, Angelos will not do anthing as a result of any outside pressure.

I'm going. I don't know what it will do but sitting on our asses and NOT going to games has accomplished what? I don't know what the impact will be but media folks in town know about it and my only hope is that national media pick it up and show 5000 O's fans wearing purple in the left field seats chanting for Cal Ripken to own the team. If any of you choose to do nothing but bitch about the messenger then offer up something as an option.

Brandon

09-12-2006, 09:57 AM

We can only hope that there is some fallout from the rally. Nestor has alluded to the fact that certain media outlets are or will be involved. I can only assume that as the group of people involved gets larger, so does the possibility of local and/or national coverage. That is why, folks, someone who owns his own radio station is the perfect conduit for this type of rally. What is so hard to grasp about this?

Anyone got a better plan short of an accurately tossed Molotov cocktail to the owner's box? (Preferably when the owner is in said box, of course. And standing up so you can spot him).

Exactly!

Actually, there WILL be national media coverage. Nestor wasn't born yesterday, I am sure he has connections. I even saw an advertisement for it last night on ESPN while watching the football game, as well as Comcast Sportsnet a week earlier.

Even if after all of this, Angelos doesn't sell the team, at least this community came together to do something about their disgust with the Orioles. Not showing up isn't working. Imagine if something like this could have been done for the Colts back in 1983.

BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 10:03 AM

Brandon -- yes, the empty seat ploy can definitely be deemed a failure.

I voted for Steven Miles today because the other guy works for Angelos. That's how much I loathe Angelos.

I was there the night of 2131, when Angeloser (aka Meat Stacker) began his interminable speech. When the fans began to boo (deservedly), he looked startled and confused -- he didn't get it. That, unfortunately, is the story of his ownership tenure.

(Now off to google Molotov Cocktail.) ;)

larrylater

09-12-2006, 10:11 AM

Drew, I support the rally and I have no problems with NST's name on it but please, can't you just destroy the Nestor "life story" tapes & tell him it was an accident. :laugh:

The "poor boy from Dundalk" who went to 40 games a year schtick puts a lot of people off. As does the constant rehashing of his "glory days" covering rock bands & other stuff that has nothing to do with sports. Just being honest.

PurpleRulz

09-12-2006, 10:12 AM

"What baffles me is how people who consider themselves sports people and/or marketing experts would post something and say, "I'm not going to the rally because I think it's a disgrace that WNST has attached its name to it." How the hell else do we get the word out? WBAL isn't promoting a rally. WJFK isn't promoting a rally. The Examiner isn't promoting a rally. The PressBox isn't promoting a rally. None of the TV stations are promoting the rally. Most of those people are in bed with the Orioles and are petrified to do anything like this. We are putting this event on and in order to "spread the word" and get people to hear about it, don't we have to promote it through our radio station? If we don't promote the rally we're putting together, how on earth is anyone going to find out about it? "

Totally agree. I think what WNST is doing with this rally is an excellent idea. My only criticism is why they decided to wait until September? It should have been done much sooner.

52decleetzu

09-12-2006, 10:26 AM

There were a thousand other ways to promote this thing using the station that didnt have to involve 1 hr per day of Nestors life story,thats what people have a problem with.He should have just put it up on the web,and if people wanted to read it they could.I love listening to NST and dont really like 1300,and when that stuff comes on it is just irritating as hell.lets leave the talking during the day to Drew,Terry,Bob,rob and Jeramy and stop interrupting SPORTS TALK to mix in an autobiography of the station owner.

hurting

09-12-2006, 10:39 AM

What baffles me is how people who consider themselves sports people and/or marketing experts would post something and say, "I'm not going to the rally because I think it's a disgrace that WNST has attached its name to it." How the hell else do we get the word out? WBAL isn't promoting a rally. WJFK isn't promoting a rally. The Examiner isn't promoting a rally. The PressBox isn't promoting a rally. None of the TV stations are promoting the rally. Most of those people are in bed with the Orioles and are petrified to do anything like this. We are putting this event on and in order to "spread the word" and get people to hear about it, don't we have to promote it through our radio station? If we don't promote the rally we're putting together, how on earth is anyone going to find out about it? DF

Exactly, no-one else cares enough to put something like this together. I will be there wearing a plain black shirt, or the Free the Birds shirt if there are any for sale on gameday.

On a second topic. Drew I heard you explanation of the moon series, and I ageree that it brings back memories of the birds from the 70's (I'm 41), but I don;t think it needs to run as a 20 part series. Like the caller this morning after hearing about 3 or 4 of them, I had had enough, and now I just switch the channel when they come on. Especially now that the Raven's season has started I would rather hear the game re-hashed 50 times than more on the early years.

RavensDomination

09-12-2006, 11:03 AM

Regarding WNST getting publicity or whatever out of this, who cares. They are setting it all up and doing the work so why not? It's a non-issue.

I hear a lot of "Nestor is setting up the rally by describing his love for baseball." If you people have been listening and hearing constant stories about partying with Van Halen and other meaningless crap you wouldn't be saying that.

It's ridiculous and totally unnecessary. I was all for the rally at first and was impartial to Nestor, but now its finished for me. It's pretty sad and frustrating when you want to listen to Bob Haynie and his show is cutoff to hear about Nestors pop. Why don't we use that time for people to write their own stories about past Orioles baseball memories instead of hearing the same old crap from Nestor every day? He could even read those stories since he is in love with the sound of his own voice.

How can you say "separate your feelings for Nestor" when he is sponsoring the rally? It would be like saying to a die hard Republican who opposes the war that he should separate his feelings for the Democrats and protest in DC. Never gonna happen.

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 11:06 AM

RavensDomination

09-12-2006, 11:07 AM

BTW, Nestors Aunt Jane loved the Padres. This story really motivated me to get down and Take back the birds! Mainly because she was a lot like Nestors pop.

ravenmaniac

09-12-2006, 11:11 AM

BTW, Nestors Aunt Jane loved the Padres. This story really motivated me to get down and Take back the birds! Mainly because she was a lot like Nestors pop.

This bothers you so much that you are now against the rally? Yet, you didn't turn the station, you continued to listen to the WHOLE thing. HIL-AR-I-OUS! Here's an idea, next time, change the channel.

RavensDomination

09-12-2006, 11:14 AM

This bothers you so much that you are now against the rally? Yet, you didn't turn the station, you continued to listen to the WHOLE thing. HIL-AR-I-OUS! Here's an idea, next time, change the channel.

Here's an idea, maybe I listen because it would be foolish to bash something if you haven't even heard it. Do you say that a movie sucks before you have seen it? I mean judging from your post you probably do, but that would be S-T-U-P-I-D.

And I know what the Nestor lovers will say, that Nestor was just trying to connect his Padres stories with the Orioles or whatever. No, it was just time for him to ramble about his pop and his Aunt that no one cares about while name dropping left and right to let everyone know how cool he is because he spoke to Tony Gwynn. Give me a break. His enormous ego just bleeds from the airwaves. NEWSFLASH: We don't care about the Padres, Aunt Jane, or some fucking fish tacos. This is why I have a hard time separating the rally from Nestors ego.

Brandon

09-12-2006, 11:18 AM

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 11:32 AM

wrong brandon....I listen once in awhile, that is it....personally, I dont like Nestor...I know too much about him, how he treats people, and his personal life to respect him one iota.....

F Angelos

09-12-2006, 11:39 AM

My point Drew, is that people out there will use their disdain for Nestor to take shots at the station and their involvement. That is what I dont think you take into consideration. I think you don't realize the volume of folks out there who dislike Nestor and as a result, use that as a weapon against anyone or anything attached to him.
Couldn't have said it better. I do think though that Drew and everyone at the station knows that Nestor is disliked by alot of people and the 20 minute moons are annoying to most people. But every other argument against the rally is nonsense. Nestor himself has said that he doesn't expect the rally to make Angelos wake up and sell the team and people have already stopped going so what else is there to do? Either get on board or ignore it but to question Nestor's motives are ridiculous. If we had cared this much about the Colts maybe they'd still be here.

Tecumseh

09-12-2006, 11:46 AM

When Kyle got hurt last season and everybody cheered, I turned to a friend and said; "Now we know where the WNST listeners sit! Since then I have come to find out I wasn't the only person thinking that thought.

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 11:49 AM

ouch

Tecumseh

09-12-2006, 11:56 AM

learn your history f angelos..."If we had cared this much about the Colts maybe they'd still be here."

We did care!
After years of Irsay unabashedly shopping the team around the country (remember 50, 000 plus in the gator bowl for the "bring us the Colts rally")..and delivering year after year an increasingly bad team AND trading elway to Denver...THAT will get you a half filled stadium!

The Mayflowers moved in only after the state legislature started "imminant domain" proceedings!!

BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 12:27 PM

Tecumseh

09-12-2006, 12:55 PM

people with no clue = WNST listeners/callers...That's my experience and apparently the experience of others!

Nice "try" ronald! :laugh:

BaltimoreRon

09-12-2006, 01:07 PM

people with no clue = WNST listeners/callers...That's my experience and apparently the experience of others!

Nice "try" ronald! :laugh:

I guess you and the others are just not as experienced as you believe you are.

birdbrain

09-12-2006, 01:34 PM

you certainly have a point about the callers, which are on the same level as the hosts....haha....

df1570

09-12-2006, 07:24 PM

My role isn't to defend Nestor and his position on the O's, his "story" that airs every day and his lifestyle, which many of you seem to be attracted to in a weird kind of way. Nestor can defend himself quite well. If you have an issue with him, personally (or professionally), e-mail him through the station's web-site and he will most certainly respond with a personal reply.

My role is identifying stories and/or topical elements within the sports world that I feel are worthy of discussing on the air, either with Terry directly or, as we did today, with listeners who wish to call in and either agree or disagree. I felt, after reading numerous sites and message boards, that people's views of the 9/21 rally were not founded on simple marketing strategies and/or promotional concepts. Most people's views - proven true after reading this thread - are founded on their dislike or personal agenda against Nestor. And while that is certainly well within your rights, it's also well within my rights to question YOUR agenda on the air and wonder out loud if you have any idea how the real world works. This is what we do. We put our finger on the pulse of the sports community and make observations about its behavior. We do the same with the players, regardless of the sport. We watch them play and we make observations.

In the same way you and your friends watch the Ravens and write (or call) something to the effect of, "Kyle Boller sucks...what the hell was Jamal Lewis doing today?...Billick doesn't have a clue...", I do the same thing with you and
other team related message boards like O's Hangout.Com (example). If you
author a reply to a 9/21 rally-related thread and I don't think you have the foggiest idea what you're talking about, I'm apt to comment on it and/or reply to that message. That's my right. Just like you have the right to turn the dial or not listen, I have the right to read and comment.

Someone e-mailed me and said they were offended that I called them out on the air today (using their alias or "sign-in name"). Well, what the hell else do I call you? These wrestling-like nicknames that people use to hide their identity makes it easy to post without any real form of accountability and it also serves as the only mechanism for someone like me to refer to you if I choose to do so on the air. So when I read a message board (not just this one, but any board) and determine someone's position is worthy of on-air discussion, I refer to them in the only manner I know how -- by seeing what their log-in name is. Right?

It's funny. I've mentioned this site and O's Hangout and other fan-based message boards and individual posters on a number of occasions and when I applaud the specific writer or the site, I receive a number of e-mails thanking me for "giving us our due". But when I criticize someone's position...all hell breaks loose and the keyboard jabbing begins.

Any of you are welcome to call the show tomorrow morning starting at 6:07 am or any other morning for that matter and provide your thoughts on the air.

DF

birdbrain

09-13-2006, 09:33 AM

My role is identifying stories and/or topical elements within the sports world that I feel are worthy of discussing on the air, either with Terry directly or, as we did today, with listeners who wish to call in and either agree or disagree.

yeah, that Art Sinclair clusterf was a brilliant choice of a story. Talk about agendas....

RavensDomination

09-13-2006, 10:32 AM

drew, I agree that many people have issues against WNST which is why they hate the rally. That's a given. But I, on the other hand, don't. I like WNST and listen all the time. I respect what Nestor has done with his life and agree with everything he says on Angelos. I loved when he would come on from time to time and just rip the Orioles. But this moon thing has taken it to another level. I just don't think Nestor understands the way he comes off to a lot of people. I'm sorry but when he constantly talks about back stage passes and hanging out with Rush or whatever, that means nothing to me or anyone else in terms of hating Angelos. I really don't care and it fuels the talk of Nestor's ego dominating this concept. I think I have heard him say 10 times "My [insert various family/friend name here] thought it was so cool I had press passes for [insert various sporting event here]." Thats just Nestor bragging. Congrats - you get press passes.

All I am saying is - let's focus on the task at hand, shall we?

birdbrain

09-13-2006, 10:59 AM

good point Domination...it sends mixed signals....

df1570

09-13-2006, 01:51 PM

Birdbrain: How is WNST "interviewing" Art Sinclair any different than the article on Keith Mills published by The Sun? How is having Art Sinclair on the air to tell "his side" of the story any different than Sports Illustrated writing a piece on ex-Twins pitcher Jeff Reardon? Do Art Sinclair, Keith Mills and Jeff Reardon not have a right to tell their side of the story?

Think back to 2000...did Ray Lewis not have a right to tell his side of the story? After all, at one point he was in jail on MURDER charges. Come to find out, of course, Ray actually didn't murder anyone. Didn't Ray have the right to tell his version of the story? How about Jamal Lewis? Did he have a version of his story that was worth hearing?

You don't have to like the stories of Sinclair, Mills, Reardon, etc. You can hear "their side" and still say, "I think you're a scumbag". That's your call. But those people deserve to have a forum to explain themselves. In Art's case, specifically, he was arrested, removed from the air at WCBM and then never heard from again. His arrest was top-of-the-news stuff on local TV and it was a major story in The Sun. Remember that? But when the four initial charges were dropped and he pleaded guilty to one much smaller charge, none of those TV people or The Sun generated a story about how and why that happened. So Art's appearance on WNST was his first chance in over 18 months to tell HIS version of what happened that day. You certainly have the power to believe or not believe what he said.

But those people - Sinclair, Mills, Reardon, Lewis, et al - have the right to explain themselves. I assume most people believe that. Unless you're a Communist...are you?

As for "the rally" and Nestor's "Moon" columns, all I can say is this. Our baseball franchise has been ruined. It's now the laughing stock of the league. There were MAYBE 9,000 people in the stands for last night's game with the Red Sox. National media members are coming into town to do stories on the Yankees and Red Sox - both of whom have played in Baltimore this week - and they are shocked at the collapse of the Orioles franchise, both on and off the field. As a lifelong Baltimore area resident and O's fan, I'm disappointed beyond words at the turn of events that has transpired since this ownership group took control of the team.

If you feel the same way, we are rallying on September 21. We would like to see you there. If, however, you're going to let Nestor's on-air "column" get in the way of the pathetic state of YOUR major league baseball team, then you must not be that concerned about their 10-year implosion.

birdbrain

09-14-2006, 07:55 AM

Drew, one can not, in any fashion, compare what Art did to Millsy. Sorry bro, I can't see letting someone like that tell his side of the story, as if he were wronged somehow. Might as well drop this one Drew. You are too close to the situation to comment objectively.
On another note, my point originally was that people had issues with Nestor making this thing about himself. People have problems with the rally because of that...Nestor pushing himself into this thing with the 20 minute moons, etc. Again, I don't doubt Nestor has many fans but I don't think you have any inclination the vast numbers who can't stand him. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, when people have a genuine distrust and dislike of someone or something, they will not become attached to said thing, no matter how noble or just. The public can be passionate about their sports teams and public figures. That was my whole point from the start. I may not articulate it as well as I might have liked but that is where I see things.

df1570

09-14-2006, 08:12 AM

You can't compare what Art Sinclair did (a crime) with what Keith Mills did (a crime)? Really? OK.

My mother died of cancer when I was 24. She was on medication (pain) for two years prior to dying. Had I caught my next door neighbor stealing her pain medication, I'd probably still be in jail, frankly. And Keith is a very good friend of mine. He lived in my neighborhood (ironically) in Glen Burnie for four years in the 1980's. So ask someone whose mom or dad died of cancer if Keith's "crime" is not as significant or heinous as Art's crime.

I don't have a 17-year old daughter, but I'm sure those of you who do think Art's crime was unthinkable. I think that too, and I don't have a daughter.

But Keith and Art both deserved the right to tell their side of the story. Both said they have a sickness. Keith's was a pain-killer addiction, Art's was a sex-addiction. The Sun gave Keith his chance and we gave Art his chance.

As for the rally...don't attend. It's that simple. We'll do your work for you.

birdbrain

09-14-2006, 09:25 AM

If work means having your boss stand up and talk about how many back stage passes he's had for concerts, how many women he's scored, how many athletes haven't been nice to him and how this poor deprived child from Dundalk who didn't like his birth parents or grandparents could "only" go to 40+ baseball games per season, then by all means, do all the work for me.

You guys certainly have a high tolerance for repetition because you and Terry and your boss sound like three broken records.

I wish you luck. I really do. But if you think for a second that your efforts even matter after reading that Press Box interview today, you must be out of your minds. You are way too close to this. But go ahead. Give your $40 per person that you will more than likely spend to protest the very man who will benefit from your money.

You guys crack me up. Your efforts while noble are the equivalent to building a house while using your forehead to drive in the nails. But go ahead....and while your at it, whistle while you work, "It's time for Orioles baseball....." :jester:

ravenmaniac

09-14-2006, 09:29 AM

df1570

09-14-2006, 09:48 AM

Actually Birdbrain, the "repetition" you speak of is this:

Orioles in '98 - losing season
Orioles in '99 - losing season
Orioles in '00 - losing season
Orioles in '01 - losing season
Orioles in '02 - losing season
Orioles in '03 - losing season
Orioles in '04 - losing season
Orioles in '05 - losing season
Orioles in '06 - losing season

I accepted it in '98. Figured it would take a year or two to get better.
I took it in '99 and '00. Started to get concerned in '01. Thought, "it can't
get worse than this, can it?" in '02 and '03. Started to get frustrated in '04,
got downright fed up in '05 and now, I'm ready to say, "I've had enough" in '06.

The efforts of the rally next week ARE going to matter. I guarantee it.

They're going to matter to US.

Do you go to the gym Birdbrain? Do you work out? If so, why? Do you think those efforts at the gym matter to anyone else? They don't. But they matter to YOU.

The rally will matter to me and anyone else that goes and that's all that matters. If the Orioles are satisfied with losing games and losing fans at an all-time record pace, that doesn't mean that WE have to be satisfied with it.

What would you and the rest of the people on 24x7 do if the Ravens suffered a similar plight? Would you sit around with your thumb up your backside or would try to let the franchise know you're not satisfied?

When I wrote, "we'll do your work for you", what I should have written was, "we'll take your balls and carry them to the stadium with us next week and then we'll give them back to you when the game's over."

birdbrain

09-14-2006, 10:14 AM

Since when does sleeping with the enemy require balls?

You know if you went to Ruth's Chris and they served up lousy food and bad service, would you go back? If you say that Angelos is delivering a bad product and service, why are you buying his product? Isn't a boycott the ultimate message? That's how I protest the losing and the inadequacies of the Orioles from top to bottom.

Go ahead and take your balls...take mine too.. I appreciate the offer. And when you return them, I'll return your mind to you because obviously you've lost yours if you think this rally will do anything to Angelos except give him a good hearty laugh.

The laugh will be on WNST and its sponsors. Hey I have a new slogan for your station, WNST, the station with balls. Oh that's right, you've used that one already. How about this one, WNST, the station with balls and no brains.

Maybe we should begin protesting WNST's rotten signal. Hey, how about this protest? "Sell WNST!" And to help entice you to do that, I'll advertise my business on your station. Gee that makes sense and it sure does show some balls!

df1570

09-14-2006, 10:31 AM

Business/economics not your strong point, huh Bbrain?

If my meal at Ruth's Chris isn't good, I don't stop eating steak. I just find some other restaurant to patronize. There are 100 steak places in Baltimore.

There is not another baseball team in Baltimore. You from around here? There's the Orioles and nothing else.

Some disgruntled fans have taken their summer baseball money to Bowie,
Aberdeen, Frederick, etc., but Jeter, Thome, A-Rod, Ortiz, Delgado, etc. don't play in those minor league cities. They visit BALTIMORE. If you want
major league baseball in Baltimore, you go to Camden Yards.

So sure, you can just NOT go, which 30,000 people (including me) are doing just about every night when the O's are at home. That hasn't worked well. Attendance is dropping every year and the team is still non-competitive and the city is more disassociated with the club now than ever before.

And after a while of not going, you eventually miss it to the point where you say, "Gee, I wonder if we should be trying some other method of letting the
owner know how disgruntled we've become?" Hence, September 21.

Let's now end this back-and-forth crap. Post one more flamer at me, try another illogical comparison about why we're wrong for rallying, and then let's move on to talking about the Ravens impending 34-3 win over the Raiders.

birdbrain

09-14-2006, 11:04 AM

The competition is for entertainment dollars. If I'm not entertained by the Orioles and I feel the apathy that I do, I take my entertainment dollars elsewhere, like Aberdeen or Frederick as you suggest. If I want to see ARod or Jeter, I think there's a good chance I'll get plenty of that on Sportscenter. I have alternatives for my entertainment dollar -- my discretionary income. This isn't an oligopoly.

So your steak analogy misses the mark and apparently you missed economics class about as often as Daniel Cabrera misses the strike zone.

So there's my flamer...

And finally, we agree on something although I see the score as 24-3

PurpleRulz

09-14-2006, 04:59 PM

I have to say that the morning crew at WNST was dead on point this morning. What is even more horrible is that the MASN "money" does not make a bit of difference. Peter Angelos does not believe ballplayers should make the money they are commanding and thus won't pay. Angelos wouldn't pay 14.5M for Roy Oswalt because he works "once every five days?" What an idiot Angelos is.

Basically, we are being forced to pay an extra 2 dollars to see MASN (which I have not been impressed with, by the way), and Angelos won't use that money to bring in top flight players. He will only pay for players within the range HE deems as appropriate for a major league player to make. In other words, forget about Soriano, Texieria, and Carlos Lee. Forget about Barry Zito. Get ready for Jose Cruz, Jrs of the world to further pollute this team.

Lastly, they Ruthschris analogy was dead on point. As one that is a lover of fine foods, I expect to pay high prices for QUALITY food. Folks will pay money for a quality product regardless of the price.

In short (because I have to get back to work), this Angelos interview just shows that the Orioles will flounder in last place until Satan calls Angelos home. It does not matter, because all Angelos cares about is "being right." What an idiot!

BertJonesMyHero

09-15-2006, 01:31 AM

I've not read this whole thing but I hope the debate was civil. This is not the old site or the Sun board. I'll read the whole thing on Friday.

df- You have my support. Anyone who takes on that miserable little Lawyer is ok by me. If I were in Balt I'd be there on the 21st. And like I've said numerous times, it isn't really the losing. It's the way the Baltimore Base Ball Club has been destroyed and stripped of class. The Orioles that I fell in love with as a kid, when my poor grandfather would schlep to the Memorial Stadium gates 2 hours before they would even open, are no more. It is a truly sad day when an Owner can ruin even the best of memories.

ravenmaniac

09-15-2006, 08:31 AM

Angelos saying that "the fact that people are telling him they want Baltimore on the road jerseys sort of influences his decision to do nothing about it", is all I needed to hear. This guy will spite his home fans just to say "I'm the owner, I make the decisions". Pure asshole.

RavensDomination

09-15-2006, 09:59 AM

The Moon today was pretty good. Nestor actually focused on the issues at hand and went over some history of the Ravens coming into town and how they did everything right whereas the Orioles have done everything wrong in terms of fan relations (and just about everything else for that matter). Gotta give credit where credit is due.

I don't know if I am coming out early but I will try to come to the game.

Tecumseh

09-15-2006, 05:06 PM

I'm constantly surfing during my 20 minute drives to and from work.
Nothing makes me change the channel faster than hearing that "angry boob from Parkville".

Good Lord, this dude needs to get a life. It seems he's on every station, every day.
He sounds like that mouthy little kid who isn't allowed to hang with the big kids.
His voice gets shaky and he always sounds like he's either ready to have an aneurysm or break out crying.
His "lecturing tone" he can shove up his @$$, he ain't good sports radio regardless if he eventually makes a good point! I change the channel.

RavensDomination

09-16-2006, 01:34 PM

haha, good old Bob from Parkville.

Apparently he has been calling radio stations for years. He probably never leaves the house and gets food from the sisters of the poor.

Call in sometime and call him out over the air, thats always fun. He'll be sure to call in and get the "shaky voice" when firing back at you. Good times. The other day when he called Haney and shockingly started to talk about the great John Unitas then someone else followed up with another Unitas story. I almost called in and to talk about the time John rescued those orphans from a burning building and cured polio, all in the same day.

Tecumseh

09-16-2006, 07:54 PM

Balto_Ron....because youhttp://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/bow.gif think so??

Did I strike a nerve? (touchy)
Sorry to offend your mature sensabilities.???http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Beerracuda

09-17-2006, 04:23 PM

I totally support WNST, Nestor, et al for this rally. Don't know if it'll make much of a difference. Here's hoping it will, but I have my doubts, considering the type of person Angelos is.

Personally, I like Nestor, but I realize that people are entitled to their own opinions, and so be it. I really can't understand the hate for Nestor. IMO, he's a true Baltimore fan, and I have many of the same memories of the O's as he does, since I'm only a few years older than him (I'll be 42 on the 22nd).

However, regardless of how one feels about Nestor, one has to ask themselves a question: Does your hate for Angelos transcend your hate for Nestor? If you said "Yes", then you should fully support this rally. It's really as simple as that.

Drew, you make some great points on here, as well as on the air. And I'm not just saying that because I work with your wife every day in the same department. I absolutely LOVE you and Terry bashing Angelos every day. I can hardly wait to get in my car in the morning to listen to you guys smash the hell out of that asshole. It's great!

Yanno, Even though I don't like WJFK and especially Anita Marks, if she were to promote a similar rally, I would support it 100%. I just wouldn't listen to her.

That's my $0.02

RavensDomination

09-17-2006, 05:29 PM

I saw Nestor today out in front of the Ravens walk handing out Free the Birds signs with D-(insert picture of a fence here) on the other side.

They are definitely going all out for this rally.

Beerracuda

09-17-2006, 06:58 PM

They are definitely going all out for this rally.

Good for them. This thing started out very small, with maybe 1,000 people participating. Now it looks like at least 3-4,000, and possibly as much as 10,000!!

Tecumseh

09-19-2006, 08:38 AM

Freakin' "Angry boob from Parkville" again yesterday.
I get 20-30 minutes to hear "sports talk" on my way home and this putz thinks I need to hear him "lecture" me???
What, does he think he has his own segments???

I can't change the station fast enough!!!!!!!

Fletchterps

09-21-2006, 07:50 AM

While I agree with the intent of the rally, the motivation behind it is clearly Nestor's need to stroke his oversized ego. How else can you explain these epic Moons he has been reading for the past week? I really enjoyed today's soliloquy, in which Nestor had to conveniently mention how HE was the first person to ask Art Modell a question when the Browns moved to Baltimore, how HE was the first person to greet Jonathan Ogden on the podium at the Ravens' first draft, how HE was the first person to greet Brian Billick after the coach's last game in Minnesota, and how HE held the Lombardi trophy! Thanks, Nestor. We almost forgot how important you are.

This would have been a fine rally without the overkill self-promotion and back-patting columns from Nestor. Hasn't he ever heard of overkill?

One last thing: No matter what your feelings are about the rally, you would have to be crazy to argue that this is not a news event. But the lack of coverage from some parts of the local media has been curious, to say the least.

ravenmaniac

09-21-2006, 08:51 AM

While I agree with the intent of the rally, the motivation behind it is clearly Nestor's need to stroke his oversized ego.

Total Bullshit, but you go ahead and sit on your ass while the rest of us make a statement. You can continue to not attend games but a few of us want to let the owner and the rest of the country know what a fuck up he is. Whats curious to me is why some people would rather have their own "issues" with Nestor override the meaning of what we are trying to do. Your post makes it sound like you are almost jealous of Nestor.

Fletchterps

09-21-2006, 09:02 AM

All I'm saying is Nestor could have organized this fine event about without making it so much about . . . Nestor!

highwater

09-22-2006, 07:27 AM

I agree with Fletchterps. I'm all for an anti-Angelos rally, but Nestor did tend to make it too much about himself, to say the least.

But having said that, a protest like this is long overdue. It won't have any effect on Angelos, but at least it's something.

OwingsMillsAlex

09-22-2006, 08:25 AM

Did you ever see WNST on any of the signs he distributed? Did you ever see any of the sponsors on any of the signs he distributed? NO. Nestor stood up because Nestor does not have any ties with the Birds. WJZ shows O's games. WBAL Radio carries the games. WJFK is on MASN. The SUN, a paper that Peter won't even give quotes to, doesn't want to burn an bridges. The only station in this town that was able to pull this off is WNST.

Hate Nestor or Like Nestor at least Nestor had the balls to get this rolling and show that baseball can still carry a fan base here in Baltimore. If we had done this 20 years ago we may still have the Colts.

Johnny_Storm

09-22-2006, 08:36 AM

God Bless Nestor and NST for making the rally happen. Isn't a sad state of affairs when the most fun and memorable thing that has happened at the Yard in ten years is a protest against ownership. For those of you who have turned this into a love/hate Nestor thing you have totally missed the point. :bag:

highwater

09-22-2006, 10:09 AM

For those of you who have turned this into a love/hate Nestor thing you have totally missed the point. :bag:

I haven't missed the point at all. I'm all for the protest, because I share Nestor's frustration over what has happened to the Orioles under Angelos. I'm with him on his outrage over what has happened to this team. But listening to him talk about himself doesn't exactly move me. I appreciate his passion for Baltimore sports, but his egomania is not something that a lot of people want to listen to.

And it's too bad, because his habit of drawing attention to himself actually detracts from what he claims is his goal, which is to get Angelos to sell the team.

StingerNLG

09-22-2006, 10:28 AM

Guess the joke is on Angelos though, since this so-called Nestor ego-stroke has made news around the country. I just saw it reported on SportsCenter a moment ago.

highwater

09-22-2006, 10:45 AM

Guess the joke is on Angelos though, since this so-called Nestor ego-stroke has made news around the country. I just saw it reported on SportsCenter a moment ago.

But Stinger, if Angelos continues to live in his own little world where he can do no wrong, what difference does it make? This guy doesn't respond to events the way a normal person would, he'll just continue to think that he's doing a great job and the critics are fools who just don't understand how brilliant he is.

StingerNLG

09-22-2006, 11:00 AM

Oh I know HW. But even King Pete has to wake up today and realize he's been the subject of almost every local and national sports news outlet today. The only people who will back Angelos today will be the scared folks at WJFK led by Anita "Look at me, I'm on MASN" Marks. I'm guessing if Anita, who knows almost NOTHING about Orioles Baseball and it's history, she might have the guts to talk about what this rally was about. Then again Angelos would kick her off MASN before she could even finish her first sentence.

Angelos got called out today all over the country, and now on SportsCenter. I'm watching Baseball Tonight now to see if it got covered. And the more he makes those stupid statements like he did, the more the country gets to understand our frustration with the team.

ravenmaniac

09-22-2006, 11:10 AM

But Stinger, if Angelos continues to live in his own little world where he can do no wrong, what difference does it make? This guy doesn't respond to events the way a normal person would, he'll just continue to think that he's doing a great job and the critics are fools who just don't understand how brilliant he is.

So, again, DO NOTHING! Don't even TRY to change his mind and see the errors of his ways. Whats the point? He wont change anything, right?

birdbrain

09-22-2006, 11:58 AM

only 1,000 people showed up brother....that says it all for how people feel about nestor....told ya so

OwingsMillsAlex

09-22-2006, 12:18 PM

only 1,000 people showed up brother....that says it all for how people feel about nestor....told ya so

I actually don't think that's the case. I think a lot of people agree with this movement but didn't want to put any cash in Petey's hands. You don't like him fine, that's your opinion. But he did something that is getting national coverage and drew attention to a team that has controlled the local media for a long time. I worked for Hearst Broadcasting when they told on-air staff to not talk bad about the Orioles. I was there when they started shuffling the evening sports hosts because Petey didn't like what was being said. I was there when the staff told me that Jim Hunter is a tool and no one at that station even wants him working there. He sucks up to Petey more then a vacume cleaner. Pete controls the situation and Nestor had the guts to stand up to him.

Again, if we had done this over 20 years ago the Colts would be here. An owner would have taken them off of Irsay's hands and given us a winning team.

Losac

09-22-2006, 01:25 PM

only 1,000 people showed up brother....that says it all for how people feel about nestor....told ya so
I've talked to people who were there and said it felt and looked like much more than 1,000.

Still, 1,000 people is not bad for the middle of a workday. I'm sure that kept a few people away who would have otherwise liked to attend but couldn't get off work.

ravenmaniac

09-22-2006, 01:33 PM

only 1,000 people showed up brother....that says it all for how people feel about nestor....told ya so

There was atleast twice that many but who's counting. That isn't the point. You can blow Angelos all you want. Some of us decided to make a statement and we did. It was in the NYPOST, ESPN, Sportsline, USATODAY and the list goes on and on. You didn't tell anybody anything.

highwater

09-22-2006, 02:04 PM

only 1,000 people showed up brother....that says it all for how people feel about nestor....told ya so

You told us what? Even if it was about 1,000 fans, that seems pretty substantial to me for a 4:15 game on a weekday.

I'm not really a big fan of Nestor -- in fact, the more I listen to him talk about himself, the less I like him -- but drawing one or two thousand fans to protest the Angelos ownership is not a bad thing. It won't make a difference to Angelos, but it sounds like the people who attended had a good time, so what's the downside?

purplepoe

09-22-2006, 05:47 PM

I cannot stand Nasty and of course he made alot of this about him but the protest did do something.

What that is isn't really tangible but for as many news outlets to cover it as there were, it made some noise.

BTW, Anita Marks is so horrid that Im now embarassed for her. I would LOVE to see her ratings now. I happened to turn on MASN and her show was on. Seriously, is that show a spoof?

I caught Bob from Parkville today on Rob Long and he went crazy on her. I guess she says that the O's cannot afford a 100 million payroll. Bob pointed out that they had a 100 million payroll in 96 and now have more revenue with MASN.

The O's have fallen so far it's astonishing. Im not surprised at anything anymore when it comes to this franchise and it's moronic owner.

It's not about just the spending. Look around the league and look at what teams have much smaller payrolls than us yet still have MUCH better records. Yes, competing with the Yanks and Sox makes it harder but there is absolutely no imagination or pride with the Orioles. THAT is why they are mired in this streak of losing seasons. And it's never gonna change with this owner. Never. I mean, any owner who had even minimal brainwaves would've reversed this slide years ago.

PP

ravenmaniac

09-22-2006, 07:26 PM

I guess the rally did nothing....

The New York Times - "Fans Lament Decline and Fall of the Orioles" • The Washington Post - "After Fans Protest, Orioles Stage a Rally"
• The Washington Times - "Fans want Angelos out" • Baltimore Sun - "Birds have yet to be freed, but protestors can fly high" - Peter Schmuck
• The Baltimore Examiner - "Orioles Protesters Walk Out on Team" • Baltimore Examiner - "O's faithful voice angst"
• Orioles.MostValuableNetwork.com - "The Rally" • SportingNews.com - "Bad baseball is for the Birds"
• ESPN.com - "'Free the birds': Orioles fans walk out in protest" • SportsIllustrated.com - "Freed Birds - Orioles protesters walk out on team during game"
• The Los Angeles Times - "Orioles Fans Leave in Protest" • The Seattle Times - "Orioles fans skip; Tigers slip"
• St. Paul Pioneer Press - "Orioles protesters walk out on team" • USA Today - "Orioles protesters walk out on team"
• ABC News - "'Free the Birds': Baltimore Orioles Protesters Walk Out on Team During Game Against Tigers" • FoxSports.com - "Disgruntled Orioles fans walked out of Baltimore's game against Detroit en masse"
• SportingNews.com - "Orioles protesters walk out on team" • WJZ.com - "Hundreds of Orioles Fans Walk Out of Camden Yards
• Baltimore Sun - "O's fans speak - with their feet • Baltimore Sun - "Aparicio ready to lead chagrined O's fans in protest"
• SportsIllustrated.com - "Nestor Aparicio...trying something, anything, to change the culture of losing around the Baltimore Orioles." • Baltimore Sun - "Joining O's protest sends right message"
• PressBox - "The Last Laugh: Q&A wth Peter Angelos" • CBS SportsLine.com - "Earl Weaver would be Proud"
• PressBox - "WNST Plans Protest" • ESPN - "Orioles mired in a full-blown identity crisis"
• Baltimore Sun - "Sick of the same old song, Orioles fan changes tune" • Baltimore Sun - "Exasperated O's fans deserve better, on and off field"

PurpleRulz

09-22-2006, 08:39 PM

The rally was a total success, and it had nothing to do with numbers. It is the same as how folks argued over the actual number of men at the Million Man March in 1996, there will always be different crowd totals.

What made the rally a success is actually Peter Angelos's response to it. Love Nestor or hate him, he did a wonderful job and had much to lose. He would have looked like an ass, for instance, if only 50 persons showed up.

I also loved how the radio announcers were trying to ignore and cover up the chants that were coming through loudly over the radio. My work schedule conflicted, but I sure as heck would have been there. I did wear my jersey during my sessions all day.

My hope is, as suggested on ESPN, that fans in KC and Pittsburgh follow suit with rallies of their own. Those were once proud franchises as well; (KC: George Brett, Bret Saberhagen, Willie Aikens, and the Pirates with Willie Stargell, Omar Moreno, etc).

I take my hat off to WNST.