TJ

[Losac]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/10/houshmandzadeh_continues_to_express_disappointment_over_role.html

I really don't get this guy. The line that kind of irritates me is how he was happy Pitt took the lead (14-10) because then he knew the Ravens had to go into a passing, 2 minute offense and he'd get the ball thrown his way. He really wants to put his own stats over the team? I know the company line is that he's just a competitor and wants to have a big role in the offense, but damn, is he going to bitch after every game when he doesn't get 10 catches?

I can only imagine what he'll say once Stallworth comes back.

[akashicrecorder]

Losac, I'm with you. At first I tried to cut the quote some slack, like maybe he wanted us to throw more b/c he honestly thinks we simply throw better than we run, not b/c he wanted more catches. But that whole article makes him look like a whiny pissy bitch.

YOU CAUGHT THE GAME-WINNER. STFU ALREADY!

[bmoreravengirl]

Everyone's jealous of Boldin. First Mason was pouting, now this. Just lovely.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Oh jeez. These guys need to pull their heads out of their asses.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

It's part of the signing. I saw this coming a mile away. And like you said, what do you think happens when Stallworth comes back?

That said, I don't think any of this was inflamatory or anything...just TJ being TJ.

[Lee Van Cleef]

That said, I don't think any of this was inflamatory or anything...just TJ being TJ.

He's whining about not getting the ball. It's no different from when Mason does it. He's being a prima donna. Okay, to a point WRs have to be this way to be the best, but this is the third (?) time this season he's complained to the media.

He knew he was coming into an offence that runs a lot, and would be competing for receptions against Heap, Rice, Boldin, Mason... what I don't get is why is this such a surprise to him? If he didn't want to take a back seat at any point he should have gone somewhere else, I'm sure he had his choice of teams.

[NC Raven]

On the bright side, at least it's a sign that we finally have good WRs. You never heard this when it was Clayton, DWil, etc. They were just happy somebody would mail them paychecks.

[psuasskicker]

Yeah I don't get what's so wrong with it either. The guy followed up right away by saying no one can stop them when they pass. Sounds to me like he was just exaggerating saying he wanted to pass cause they're great when they pass...

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[RavenScallywag]

I'm pretty sure he had offers from teams where he was going to be a #2/3 WR, we were led to believe he came here for a shot at a SB.

His comments since then have made it seem that he's NOT just here for a SB. He wants to pump his stats for a big contract next year.

TJ, word of advice...shut your mouth and focus on catching the ball. Do that, and you WILL get a nice contract next year.

[Purpleguy]

It's part of the signing. I saw this coming a mile away. And like you said, what do you think happens when Stallworth comes back?

That said, I don't think any of this was inflamatory or anything...just TJ being TJ.

When Stallworth comes back he will be returning kicks and possibly playing slightly when we go four wide, which is rare.

I do think the Ravens need to go three wide more often. If that happens then everyone will get their catches.

[HoustonRaven]

Put me in the camp that does not see anything wrong with what he is saying.

Note the end of the article where is acknowledges he is low on the WR totem pole.

This is a case of him simply wanting the ball more, saying such and the media doing what they do best -- stretching the situation to sell papers / web site hits.

Also, sounds to me he is auditioning to be a teams #1 guy. Maybe he wont be on the team this time next year?

[Lee Van Cleef]

Also, sounds to me he is auditioning to be a teams #1 guy. Maybe he wont be on the team this time next year?

Assuming Mason retires, that leaves us with a WR group of Boldin and Reed.

[HoustonRaven]

Assuming Mason retires, that leaves us with a WR group of Boldin, Stallworth and Reed.

Fixed it for you ....

You think TJ cares?

[Galen Sevinne]

If anything TJ is showing a lack of professionalism by speaking outside of the team in this manner. Calling out Heap and Boldin like that is not necessary but I don't see as overly disruptive or cause for concern. I don't see him as a cancer or anything near what T.O. used to do or what Randy Moss did. The truth is the team is winning with him catching the amount of balls he has caught so there is no need to give him more balls and I am sure the Ravens are comfortable enough with that.

Receivers have really become the prima donna of the attitude in the league.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Fixed it for you ....

You think TJ cares?

Stallworth is on a one year contract. No guarantee he comes back.

[purplepoe]

Part of the package.

Anyone surprised at this hasn't followed his career.

PP

[Carey]

Part of the package.

Anyone surprised at this hasn't followed his career.

PP

This....He expressed his displeasure but it wasnt in a disrespectful way imo, it was very honest. If i was him id expect more then 13 snaps in a game as well, he was probably told he'd be alot more involved then he has been to this point. He has to understand that some games follow certain patterns that dont allow for alot of opportunities, plus the offense hasnt been clicking to this point. He's a competitor and wants the ball and i admire that, hopefully it doesnt get to an unhealthy point but for right now i dont think its too big of a deal, plus i see last weeks game as a huge stepping stone for the offense going forward.

[HoustonRaven]

Stallworth is on a one year contract. No guarantee he comes back.

No. But from a fiscal standpoint, he has a better shot at coming back than Housh -- he's cheaper.

[mjones73]

It's TJ being TJ, he liked to talk in Cincy too, when it came time to play he was usually always pretty solid for them though. I expect the same here.

[festivus]

I don't care if it's "TJ being TJ," he's coming across as a selfish jerk and that's not cool. Regardless, if in the next 2 or 3 weeks he has a game with 4 receptions for 90 yards and a TD then he'll probably shut up for awhile. Who knows, could be this week.

Anyway I don't care if this is what he's normally like. Just because someone has acted like a selfish jerk of a teammate before doesn't make it cool for him to do it now.

/rant
This is one of those times when I am reminded that many of my fellow Ravens fans don't care as much as I do about the quality of the character of the guys wearing the uniforms. That's fine, I accept that. If I had to choose between winning with a bunch of a*holes and mediocrity with guys who I was proud to bump into at the pizza shop, give me mediocrity any day. I'm a busy guy with no time in my life for a*holes.
/end rant

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I hope that none of the people complaining about this are the same people who wet themselves when we signed him.

This is who he is. It is who he was. It is who he will be.

If you don't want him to talk, you shouldn't have been happy we signed him.

I don't know if some people just completely forgot that he runs his mouth because he was in Seattle and it was kind of "out of sight, out of mind", or if they thought our magical locker room would do the infamous "keeping him in check", or if some people just saw a big name and drooled over it.

IMHO, I wasn't a big fan of his and was not jumping for joy when we signed him...and frankly, I don't think he is any better than a VERY average #3 WR at this point in his career.

[Sirdowski]

IMHO, I wasn't a big fan of his and was not jumping for joy when we signed him...and frankly, I don't think he is any better than a VERY average #3 WR at this point in his career.

Good point, if we wouldve kept Williams, he would've burned McFadden on the same play to win us the game .....and you can't argue he wouldn't be our 3rd receiver, with stallworth injured he most certainly would be starting over Reed. Very average #3 receivers don't have 900yd seasons on teams like the Seattle Seahawks a year before "this point in his career." especially considering defenses spent more time getting their pads on then forming a game plan against the Seahawks ....

[Mista T]

<yawn> Yawn </yawn>.

Housh is here only for a one year rental. I really don't care too much about whatever he said.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Good point, if we wouldve kept Williams, he would've burned McFadden on the same play to win us the game .....and you can't argue he wouldn't be our 3rd receiver, with stallworth injured he most certainly would be starting over Reed. Very average #3 receivers don't have 900yd seasons on teams like the Seattle Seahawks a year before "this point in his career." especially considering defenses spent more time getting their pads on then forming a game plan against the Seahawks ....

Yeah...didn't bring up Williams name at all...and didn't argue that he wouldn't be our 3rd WR either.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to argue points that I didn't make.

I said he was a very average #3 WR. The guy we shipped out is an ok #3 WR and he is about to have a 90 catch, 1200 yard season on teams like the Rams "at this point in his career". So what..he was the only option on a bad team...other WR's can put up 900 yards on those types of teams and be average on teams with other legit weapons.

Thanks

[Dragz]

This isn't news and if you're surprised, you don't know football. We have 3 WRs that have ALL been to Pro Bowls. That means that they're all used to getting the ball. It is what it is and it'll be just that.

[Losac]

I love what TJ does on the field and he'll always have a special place in my heart as a Ravens fan for catching the game winner last week in Pitt. That said....I am going to get sick of him quick if he's going to bitch every week he's not the leading receiver or because Q is the #1 guy.

As the Rock said....know your role!

[Sirdowski]

Yeah...didn't bring up Williams name at all...and didn't argue that he wouldn't be our 3rd WR either.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to argue points that I didn't make.

I said he was a very average #3 WR. The guy we shipped out is an ok #3 WR and he is about to have a 90 catch, 1200 yard season on teams like the Rams "at this point in his career". So what..he was the only option on a bad team...other WR's can put up 900 yards on those types of teams and be average on teams with other legit weapons.

Thanks

1. He's above average, period. Saying a receiver is "about to" have a thousand yard season, and actually having one, of which TJ has had several, are completely different.

2. I never put words in your mouth. You misunderstood me. I should have stated "If the argument was attempted to say Williams would not be our 3rd receiver it would be wrong" I never directly said "how can you say Williams wouldn't be our 3rd receiver."

3. Mark Clayton can have 1,500 yards with the Rams this season, and you can continue to grade receivers on your false unsubstantial scale of "average" "very average" and "ok," but bottom line is, if mark Clayton was our 3rd receiver in that game, we would have lost. Slice it anyway you want, Clayton would not have been able to take advantage of the single coverage matchup the way TJ did.

TJ for president.

Thanks.

[darb72]

He keeps catching game-winners against the Squeelers he can say any thing he wants.

[CRZA938]

Put me in the camp that does not see anything wrong with what he is saying.

Note the end of the article where is acknowledges he is low on the WR totem pole.

This is a case of him simply wanting the ball more, saying such and the media doing what they do best -- stretching the situation to sell papers / web site hits.

Also, sounds to me he is auditioning to be a teams #1 guy. Maybe he wont be on the team this time next year?

I agree. At first I was a little upset about some of his comments, but heard another interview with him where he took full accountability for the loss at Cincinnati. While he is fully aware of his personal stats, he is also very confident in his ability to help this team win. It will be interesting if we start losing...

[NCRAVEN]

+1

[Raveninwoodlawn]

1. He's above average, period. Saying a receiver is "about to" have a thousand yard season, and actually having one, of which TJ has had several, are completely different.

2. I never put words in your mouth. You misunderstood me. I should have stated "If the argument was attempted to say Williams would not be our 3rd receiver it would be wrong" I never directly said "how can you say Williams wouldn't be our 3rd receiver."

3. Mark Clayton can have 1,500 yards with the Rams this season, and you can continue to grade receivers on your false unsubstantial scale of "average" "very average" and "ok," but bottom line is, if mark Clayton was our 3rd receiver in that game, we would have lost. Slice it anyway you want, Clayton would not have been able to take advantage of the single coverage matchup the way TJ did.

TJ for president.

Thanks.

LOL...so I can't make a "unsubstantial" argument about TJ, but you can about things like "Clayton wouldn't have been able to take advantage of single coverage the way TJ did".

LMAO

[Dave Lap]

I think it's mostly a non-issue at this point. He's candid in interviews and I think that's just part of who he is.

If it excalates or continues from week to week then I will worry but at this level-nah.

[Mike B]

I think it's mostly a non-issue at this point. He's candid in interviews and I think that's just part of who he is.

If it excalates or continues from week to week then I will worry but at this level-nah.

I think you nailed it. TJ likes to talk, he wantss the ball, who cares all good recievers do.
We are not use to the Ravens having more than one reciever.... and neither are they. We have 3 good recievers. TJ is much more than an average reciever. I love it. In past years the Steelers would take away Mason, blitz like hell to keep the TE at the LOS and we would have lost. They took away Q on the last few plays, rotated the safety to Mason, Blitzed and Joe and TJ burned them. His words were honest and IMO not hurtful to the team so play on.

[azcrdsfan]

This last paragraph is completely uncalled for and just shows that he is a complete "me player" who only cares about personal stats moreso than winning.

"Q [Anquan Boldin] is going to be happy. That’s just the reality of it," Houshmandzadeh said. "Q and [tight end Todd] Heap, they’re going to get their balls. They brought Q in, they gave up draft picks and gave him a nice contract. They’re going to find ways to get him the ball. I can appreciate that because I thought that’s what I was getting [in Seattle]. I wish it was me. But it’s not."

[psuasskicker]

Last year Clayton was targeted 74 times and caught 34 of them ... 46% completion.

This year through four games Clayton is on pace to get thrown to 172 times, catching 88 of them. 51% completion.

The better receivers catch nothing less than 55%, most over 60%, and more than a handful catching high 60s low 70s percent. Housh for example caught 59% last year, the previous two years combined caught 67%.

Virtually the only difference in Clayton's stats is that he's getting WAY more targets. That's it. And I would lay huge amounts of money that he won't finish the year with 1,200 yards or 172 total targets.

Don't even try to argue that Clayton would have been able to do what Housh did on that play. It's laughable to suggest it. It's even more laughable to suggest that DWill would have been able to do it, given DWill was actually our #3 receiver last year, which is what Housh is now, and is thus the more apt comparison.

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[Sirdowski]

Last year Clayton was targeted 74 times and caught 34 of them ... 46% completion.

This year through four games Clayton is on pace to get thrown to 172 times, catching 88 of them. 51% completion.

The better receivers catch nothing less than 55%, most over 60%, and more than a handful catching high 60s low 70s percent. Housh for example caught 59% last year, the previous two years combined caught 67%.

Virtually the only difference in Clayton's stats is that he's getting WAY more targets. That's it. And I would lay huge amounts of money that he won't finish the year with 1,200 yards or 172 total targets.

Don't even try to argue that Clayton would have been able to do what Housh did on that play. It's laughable to suggest it. It's even more laughable to suggest that DWill would have been able to do it, given DWill was actually our #3 receiver last year, which is what Housh is now, and is thus the more apt comparison.

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Thanks for proving my point with the numbers PSU. It's obvious some people think otherwise of Clayton.

[StingerNLG]

LOL...so I can't make a "unsubstantial" argument about TJ, but you can about things like "Clayton wouldn't have been able to take advantage of single coverage the way TJ did".

LMAO

The only problem is that he couldn't. I have to agree there is no way Clayton makes that move or gets open enough to make that play. I don't see it.

I do wish these folks would all kindly STFU and play. I tire of the "me over team" attitude. It's what makes Ray Rice more the man then he others. Rice has said now twice he would always trade stats for wins. That's the right attitude.

[bmorebirds_24]

When we signed this faggot I forgot about the years in Cincy when I hated him. Now I remember again. We won the game and he still complains, he's like a damn woman. We won! You caught the game winner! Shut the fuck up and play football. Hate me for this, but he is one Raven I wouldn't mind if he got hurt. I have no tolerance for someone who has been here a few weeks and is ALREADY running his trap. :grbac:


And why is Clayton even talked about in this thread? Doesn't it say TJ? He's gone people let him go. Why keep bitching about him, you wanted him gone, he's gone.

[bmoreravengirl]

We won the game and he still complains, he's like a damn woman.

What exactly does THIS mean?

[bmorebirds_24]

Sorry ladies!!! :bag:


Was just venting! I got a pregnant girlfriend who complains to me all the time...Nothing against you girls, was just using an example, maybe I should of thrown pregnant in there and wouldn't have hit a nerve. I'm sure you girls know my pain with the pregnant woman :beer:



Forgive me?:(

[psuasskicker]

What exactly does THIS mean?

I think what he was saying is that TJ should get his bitch-ass back in the kitchen, and make him some pie!

- C - <----- trouble maker

[Sirdowski]

hahahahahaha

[bmoreravengirl]

I think what he was saying is that TJ should get his bitch-ass back in the kitchen, and make him some pie!

- C - <----- trouble maker

You're digging your own grave buddy (where's that evil grin emoticon?).

[psuasskicker]

Meh, what're you gonna do? You're just a girl...

:crazy:

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[Raveninwoodlawn]

When we signed this faggot I forgot about the years in Cincy when I hated him. Now I remember again. We won the game and he still complains, he's like a damn woman. We won! You caught the game winner! Shut the fuck up and play football. Hate me for this, but he is one Raven I wouldn't mind if he got hurt. I have no tolerance for someone who has been here a few weeks and is ALREADY running his trap. :grbac:


And why is Clayton even talked about in this thread? Doesn't it say TJ? He's gone people let him go. Why keep bitching about him, you wanted him gone, he's gone.


What exactly does THIS mean?

Bwahahaha...you guys are too funny!

As for the other TJ discussion...I still have my opinion, I don't think he is really that good, but that is my opinion. You guys have yours and it's cool.

[Sirdowski]

Agreed, its all in the name of intelligent discussion!

[HoustonRaven]

Per Aaron Wilson's Twitter ....

RT @RavensInsider: Housh: 'I said a lot of stuff and it came out the wrong way. I just say it the wrong way. I want to contribute to the win. I'm happy.'

[psuasskicker]

Per Aaron Wilson's Twitter ....

RT @RavensInsider: Housh: 'I said a lot of stuff and it came out the wrong way. I just say it the wrong way. I want to contribute to the win. I'm happy.'

What a disgruntled bastard. Get that locker room cancer out of here.

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[bmoreravengirl]

Meh, what're you gonna do? You're just a girl...

:crazy:

- C -

I have my methods. Hehehe . .

[Rza52]

I think what he was saying is that TJ should get his bitch-ass back in the kitchen, and make him some pie!

- C - <----- trouble maker

Pwned.

[Rza52]

Guys, suggestion, Treat TJ like a Raven because that's what he is. He's a soldier wearing Purple and Black. Support your troops.

The guy speaks before he thinks. He isn't the first and won't be the last. He seems to me like his heart is in the right place. He's no TO.

Moving on...