Torrey Smith PI

[duffybr]

Man he can draw the Pi's Should have a detective show

[MarkS]

He went to lift his outside arm, and the defender wrapped it up and held it for a good 5-6 steps. Didn't exactly take an oscar-worthy performance to get that flag.

[Paintballguy]

He went to lift his outside arm, and the defender wrapped it up and held it for a good 5-6 steps. Didn't exactly take an oscar-worthy performance to get that flag.

I think he's saying that his speed makes people hold him.

[duffybr]

I'm saying he has drawn several significant PI's this year

[houstonravensfan]

How often does a long pass to Torrwy result in a big gain OR a PI? If you count the PIs as a completion (they are long gains), his contribution is even more impressive.

[rpcfball]

that was a blatant interference. all the niners fans are whining about it, but sorry you cant grab his arm

[alienrace]

Torrey's been getting held all year and only gotten a smattering of calls. As he establishes himself as the superstar that he is, he's going to get many more go his way.

Flacco to Smith is going to be a great combo over the next 10.

[Ibravenfan]

I'm saying he has drawn several significant PI's this year

What ever moves the chains. Hope he keeps it up.

[Paintballguy]

that was a blatant interference. all the niners fans are whining about it, but sorry you cant grab his arm

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that call.

Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(c) Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.

(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.

(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.

(f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.

[RockyMRaven]

Torrey's been getting held all year and only gotten a smattering of calls. As he establishes himself as the superstar that he is, he's going to get many more go his way.

Flacco to Smith is going to be a great combo over the next 10.

I agree. It was great to see Lee Evans convert that 3rd down as well. I think he's really recovered from the injury now. That'll give Flacco another fast target on the outside, which he'll need, because opposing defenses are beginning to fear Torrey enough to roll their defenses towards him. Great to have a WR that actually scares defenses!

[52decleetzu]

What is funny is that Glenn Eunis? in the postgame on 105.7 said that after the play he went to the section in front of where the play happened and asked all the fans if it was a good call or not. He claims that they ALL said it was an "iffy call".

Now I was in the car riding home so I had not seen the replay, but just saw it and that was as blatant an arm bar/lock I have ever seen. It wasn't even close, the DB had his left arm locked up and held down, how anyone could call that "iffy" is beyond me.

[dreamjo]

Man he can draw the Pi's Should have a detective show

"PI" short for "private investigator", therefore, detective show. Was I the only one to get this joke?


Geez....and I thought it was funny, too.

[duffybr]

That call was iffy from some angles- just like th gresham non-td call. It was a great hold by the db- well concealed from most angles- but obvious from some.

[52decleetzu]

That call was iffy from some angles- just like th gresham non-td call. It was a great hold by the db- well concealed from most angles- but obvious from some.

Yeah his back was towards the stands but he was facing the middle of the field right where the official could see.

[AirFlacco]

Yea, Dee. I heard that program and thought the same as you but I believe the announcer was
calling it somewhat iffy but looking at the play
he was definitely held, man. Just like posted above, all our guys have been
held all year.

It's been even worse on the line but not even their holds could step a record 9 sacks for -50 yards
and they had 3 #1 draft picks on that line.

Refs are finally waking up.

[acisking]

I agree. It was great to see Lee Evans convert that 3rd down as well. I think he's really recovered from the injury now. That'll give Flacco another fast target on the outside, which he'll need, because opposing defenses are beginning to fear Torrey enough to roll their defenses towards him. Great to have a WR that actually scares defenses!

I loved when Lee Evans fought and churned his feet for several yards to get that important first down.

[JAB1985]

I loved when Lee Evans fought and churned his feet for several yards to get that important first down.

Ditto. I think that pi was pretty blatant but my buddy at the game thought it was bad. Must have been at the other endzone...

[RavnFreek]

Usually a WR gets PI calls like this when the defender knows he's been beat bad.

[PeterB58]

Usually a WR gets PI calls like this when the defender knows he's been beat bad.DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!

Winner!!! Winner!!! Chicken Dinner!!!

[RavnFreek]

DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!

Winner!!! Winner!!! Chicken Dinner!!!

LOL.. Its not rocket science.. :thumbup:

[PeterB58]

The fact of the matter is, Smith is faster than 95% of the defenders he is going up against and unless they are giving him a lot of cushion/help over top, he is going to get behind them. They then have 2 choices: grab him or watch him score.

And the more plays he makes over the top, the more he is going to get the calls from the officials.

It is about time....actually it is waaaay overdue....that the Ravens have finally...FINALLY!!!....hit on a stud WR in the draft.

[Derf]

I loved when Lee Evans fought and churned his feet for several yards to get that important first down.

I had to comment on that play and the REACTION of the crowd after it.

I was dragged kicking and screaming to a "party" last night by my family the only way I would attend was if the game was on. So, while I was 100% into the game and unsociable as hell for once, that play occurred. Immediately, it was "did they just score"? "What happened" and so on. I said nope it was big first down by Evans with a great effort. They were like.....damn we don't cheer like that for a touchdown (Cardinals fans :laugh:).

You guys make me proud to say I'm from Baltimore. Smartest and loudest fans in the nation AFAIC.

[TheSpiderWebb]

Peter King and Mike Pereira on the PI call:


SI_PeterKing: RT @MikePereira: The pass interference call was correct. But, a 50 yard penalty! don’t like the rule … Preach it, Mike. Horrendous rule.

I think the NFL's rule is the correct one(compared to 15 yards in College). If Torrey catches that it's at least a 55 yard play, most likely even more. If it was only a 15 yard penalty that's a loss of at least 40 yards, almost half the football field. If they adapted the college rule every corner would just tackle the receiver every time they got beat deep because it would save them a tremendous amount of yards.

[Mista T]

I think the NFL's rule is the correct one(compared to 15 yards in College).

:iagree:

I have been so turned off by the NCAA's pass interference and overtime rules, that I have lost interest in major college football games. Why did they feel compelled to mess with something that was working?




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"PI" short for "private investigator", therefore, detective show. Was I the only one to get this joke?


Geez....and I thought it was funny, too.


I would be surprised at anyone not getting the double meaning of "PI". It was pretty obvious.

Duffy is a professional journalist who frequently tosses out amusing quips. I'm glad that partakes here!

[Dirt1]

I saw Torrey run a good come back route last night to get a first down. Mason was great at running that route to get first downs, but Torrey could make it a staple of his game, because of his speed. Say the Ravens have a 3rd and 6. Torrey has hit on enough deep passes for everyone to respect his speed. So, when he breaks hard into his route, the CB is going to give ground in a hurry. A quick comeback route at that point would result in almost certain first down yardage. Then if the CB didn't give ground, Torrey could just blow past him and go deep.

[Paintballguy]

Peter King and Mike Pereira on the PI call:



I think the NFL's rule is the correct one(compared to 15 yards in College). If Torrey catches that it's at least a 55 yard play, most likely even more. If it was only a 15 yard penalty that's a loss of at least 40 yards, almost half the football field. If they adapted the college rule every corner would just tackle the receiver every time they got beat deep because it would save them a tremendous amount of yards.

I don't know how they can say it's a bad rule. If it was only a 15 yard penalty, you'd see db's mugging receivers hard if they got beat deep. Plus, if Torrey wasn't held, he would have probably made that catch for a TD or close to it.

[PeterB58]

I don't know how they can say it's a bad rule. If it was only a 15 yard penalty, you'd see db's mugging receivers hard if they got beat deep. Plus, if Torrey wasn't held, he would have probably made that catch for a TD or close to it.I can see both sides of the argument. My biggest issue with the spot foul on PI is that it is assumming that the receiver would have made the catch.

Maybe 20 yds or spot of the foul...whichever is less. I don't know..

[duffybr]

Only way to truly fix it would be to have an incidental 15 yd pi and a more obvious PI that places the ball at the spot of the foul. However, that would just set up another judgement call for the Ref's to deal with/screw up. Besides CB's seem to be getting away with alot of jersey stretching this year, especially St. Revis. I don't see the Raven's CB's working that as much as others. Maybe they need to be coached over to the dark side a little, but my observations could be off.

[52decleetzu]

Only way to truly fix it would be to have an incidental 15 yd pi and a more obvious PI that places the ball at the spot of the foul. However, that would just set up another judgement call for the Ref's to deal with/screw up. Besides CB's seem to be getting away with a lot of jersey stretching this year, especially St. Revis. I don't see the Raven's CB's working that as much as others. Maybe they need to be coached over to the dark side a little, but my observations could be off.

One way to do it that would never happen would be to take the stats from the distance at which the pass was going to be completed, and come up with a corresponding penalty yardage based on the completion percentage of passes that long.

As an example on a 50 yard bomb, figure out how many are completed and then divide that by the average number of attempts it takes for 1 reception. Say it is completed 30% of the time, that would be a 15 yard penalty. (150 yards for 3 completions, divided by 10 attempts)

You could have like a few different penalty categories depending on the yardage instead of a random number for every single pass by doing calculations which wouldn't be possible obviously during the game. Maybe spot foul under 10 yards, and then 15 yd penalty, 20 and 25 or something for the crazy long ones.

Why will the NFL never change it? Money. They want the offense for the product, and won't EVER do anything to limit it. A 50 yard PI is just as good as a completed pass, and it puts the team that much closer to scoring.