Grubbs Contingency Plan - Evan Mathis?

[RavenScallywag]

Per Aaron Wilson, Evan Mathis is scheduled to visit with the Ravens. With Grubbs to NO more likely, seems like potentially the guy we could replace Grubbs with.

http://www.nfl.com/player/evanmathis/2506418/profile

Looks like a journeyman kind of guy, not anyone to get super excited about, but a decent enough starter.

[mfdoom42]

I don't want to be too extreme here, but Evan Mathis is DEFINITELY someone to get EXTREMELY excited about.

He's pretty cool. (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/puhef/i_am_nfl_og_and_redditor_evan_mathis_ama/)

My favorite quote from the Q&A:


Q: ProFootballFocus has been singing your praises for a while now. While their readers and Eagles fans recognize your very high level of play, you don't get a lot of national attention (you were robbed to not be voted to the Pro Bowl this year). Does that type of thing frustrate you or do you just keep a "haters gonna hate" attitude and keep on dominating?

A: To be recognized as the best guard in the NFL, you have to be the best guard in the NFL for more than one season. Give me time.

[Tyrian]

Think I'd be okay with that - a bit of a saving for a guy that's underrated (according to some stats anyways)

Steinbach is also released from Cleveland. Might be a bit too nicked up by now, though.

[leachisabeast]

Not to get excited about? Wow just goes to show how the media have it totally wrong about players, especially offensive linemen. Evan Mathis would be an awesome signing and is one of THE most underrated players in the league. He was one of the top 5 guards in the league in 2011, would be a seriously great signing if we where to lose Grubbs, and would be a much cheaper option too. (He was only getting a vet minimum in Philly.) Obviously he is probably going to come at bigger price than what he was getting paid in 2011 though, but no where near Yanda/Grubbs type money. Steve Hutchinson would be another player to look at, although it seems that the Titans are high on him.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

Mathis was the best rated LG in all of football last year according to PFF. Easily a major upgrade to Grubbs.

He also wrote a FANTASTIC article that every one of you should read about what we think we see watching a game live, and how we form our (often wrong) opinions about players.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/22/evan-mathis-o-line-insight/


A guest contribution by Evan Mathis, Guard, Philadelphia Eagles

When PFF reached out to me with the unique request for an article, I thought it would be a good opportunity to give the football fan base some insight into the world of offensive line play. They also told me I would have to do this or they would go back to calling Carl Nicks the best guard in football.

The journey to fully understanding football is a tedious one. It’s very easy to turn on a game, eat a meal, tweet, text, talk, and more … all while watching. After seeing a game one time, people are fully ready to provide their opinion as if it’s concretely true. They then get into a debate with another person who watched another game about who is the best left tackle in the NFL. Their opinions are formed from various methods, but rarely from actually watching every game, every player, and every play. Who in their right mind would do such a thing?

Student of the Game

I was first and foremost a fan of the game of football. I just casually watched as many kids do and never paid much attention to everything that was happening. It was easy to hear the announcer’s opinions, follow the football, and read stats. What looked so simple on TV to a young kid was actually an intricate machine of moving parts and interchangeable cogs that would take me years to fully understand. The evolutionary process from casual fan to student of the game unveils what a true art the sport of football is.

Basic understanding of football can come from watching games, reading stats, and getting on the Internet, but how do you effectively talk about a position that has no common stats and takes an above average understanding of the game to comprehend?

If you frequent PFF, it’s likely that you are a student of the game and understand that it’s no simple task to watch 22 players at a time on each play. That rewind button on your remote can be your best friend when studying a football game. In fact, a football diet lacking sufficient rewinding may result in the following side effects:

● Using announcers’ opinions as your own.

● Seeing one replay of a tackle giving up a sack and saying he had a bad game.

● Thinking a back that ran for 150 yards guarantees the OL played well.

● Thinking a back that ran for 40 yards guarantees the OL played terribly.

● Assuming the running back is always running where he is supposed to run.

● Using tattoos and hair length to determine which linemen are good.

It is easily one of the best articles I have ever read. Period.

[leachisabeast]

I had a read of this too, seems like a smart player who know's what the hell he is on about. Bet any money this guy will be an offensive line coach whenever he retires.

[RavenScallywag]

chalk that up to me not hearing about him much prior to this year...

If he's so great, how come he's only started a full slate of games two seasons in his whole career?

Not that I'm doubting...PFT ranks him one slot below Grubbs. But I don't see how he can be the best LG when he's only been a full starter for what, two seasons really?

[mfdoom42]

But I don't see how he can be the best LG when he's only been a full starter for what, two seasons really?

He was rated as the best LG in the NFL for the 2011 season, not of all-time.

[Dirt1]

Too funny. Evan Mathis went to Alabama. The Ravens are a jobs program for Crimson Tide alumni.

Evan Mathis
#69 G


Philadelphia Eagles | Official Team Site

Height: 6-5 Weight: 302 Age: 30
Born: 11/1/1981 Birmingham , AL
College: Alabama
Experience: 7th season
High School: Homewood HS [AL

http://www.nfl.com/player/evanmathis/2506418/profile

[GOTA]

Why aren't the Eagles interested in keeping him? They have plenty of cap space. What was the issue there?

[Terpsfan82]

My question as well. Especially given their history of releasing players too soon rather than too late.

[leachisabeast]

chalk that up to me not hearing about him much prior to this year...

If he's so great, how come he's only started a full slate of games two seasons in his whole career?

Not that I'm doubting...PFT ranks him one slot below Grubbs. But I don't see how he can be the best LG when he's only been a full starter for what, two seasons really?

Players improve and randomly find their game at a high level I guess. Vonta Leach who is the best lead blocker in the game today and an all pro full back struggled to find a team who would sign him after he was let go of by the Packers back in 2006 or whenever it was. It was only last season when he was noticed and was given a pro bowl nod. I guess some players are just late developers. It's not just PFF ranking him as the best guard in football in 2011, go and watch some game highlights from Philly in 2011 and focus on Mathis he looked great all through the season. It is arguable that your getting an upgrade judging the 2011 season, if you sign him, and at a discounted price from Ben Grubbs.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

Why aren't the Eagles interested in keeping him? They have plenty of cap space. What was the issue there?

Nobody inside or outside Philly has any clue, it isn't like they have a young stud being blocked they actually have very little depth on the Oline.

Fans are scratching their heads along with everyone else.

Rosenhaus is his agent, but that is all I can come up with.

[LC_Ravens_87]

Why aren't the Eagles interested in keeping him? They have plenty of cap space. What was the issue there?

Eagles drafted 2 guards in 2011, 1st and 5th rounders. Only thing I can think of.

[Tyrian]

Considering the Eagles won the 'coveted' Offseason Superbowl award last year, their sense has been somewhat lacking as of late.

Given Harbs' ties with the Eagles, if there was a real problem, I doubt the Ravens would be at all interested.

[leachisabeast]

Eagles drafted 2 guards in 2011, 1st and 5th rounders. Only thing I can think of.

Probably explains it. They would be dumb not to re sign him, very very dumb.

[Iscull]

Why aren't the Eagles interested in keeping him? They have plenty of cap space. What was the issue there?

Howard Mudd may think he isn't a great fit for his scheme. Honestly, I would be all over this if he could stay healthy.

[akashicrecorder]

For what it's worth, Eagles fans are freaking out about the potential of losing him. That says a lot about a player.

[leachisabeast]

Howard Mudd may think he isn't a great fit for his scheme. Honestly, I would be all over this if he could stay healthy.

He was healthy all through 2011, and missed one game, Grubbs missed several games with that toe injury. So I don't think his health should be a major concern.

[arnie_uk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezaAMcCy3u4&feature=player_embedded

dedication, i like it

[JustaslowZ06]

I like it, and I like it even better thats he's prob going to come ALOT chepaer than Grubbs. LG Journeyman thats 31 and just now was rated as anything. That doesn't scream pay me pay me, that says I'll go to a team for a shot at a ring. Precisely thetype of vet I've been talking about. Bad news is, the foreskins are next on his list and they obviously are in the mood this offseason to overpay for everyone.

[SugarRay52]

A potentially good value addition by the Ravens if they sign him, the reality is the Ravens are going to lose Grubbs so they need to replace him.

[Lime in the Coconut]

Washington is a hell hole

[SugarRay52]

Washington is a hell hole

Hell Hole is an understatement LOL

[SugarRay52]

Quotes from Mathis about his pending visit, from WNST twitter:


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Mathis: "I'm looking forward to taking the visit and seeing how free agency plays out-for them and everyone else." #Ravens

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Evan Mathis: "If I didn't want to play for a guy like Ozzie Newsome, I wouldn't make the trip." #Ravens

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Evan Mathis on the Alabama connection: "He's a family friend. Ozzie knows my mom very well."

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Evan Mathis on AFC North (who played w/ CIN from '08-'10): "There are some very good teams in that division. I got to see it myself."

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Evan: "It was kind of weird. It's the first time I've hit free agency where I was worth something and I had game tape."

[landspeed]

Quotes from Mathis about his pending visit, from WNST twitter:

I think its safe to assume, that evan mathis is pretty much a done deal at about 4ish mil/year.

[JMUpurkfool]

I think its safe to assume, that evan mathis is pretty much a done deal at about 4ish mil/year.

I think it's safe to assume, that you just pulled that out of your ass.

Hopefully the visit goes well and we give him a good offer. We can get a player that performs possibly better than Grubbs for cheaper.

[leachisabeast]

Quotes from Mathis about his pending visit, from WNST twitter:

Interesting. You can rest assure that Ozzie is going to try hard to get him.

[JMUpurkfool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezaAMcCy3u4&feature=player_embedded

dedication, i like it

That's sweet, but seems really light for a guard.

[BleedPurple92]

I would love to see this happen for the right price. Mathis was arguably the best run blocker in what was a really really good run offense last year, and we're talking about an Andy Ried run offense.

He would make a great pickup for the right price. He might be 30, but Offensive lineman play well past 30. Besides Grubbs isn't that Far from 30 either. A nice 4 or 3 year deal would be incredible.

[Peterman]

I love this guy. If you read the AMA that mfdoom posted earlier in the thread, he is a down-to-earth, dedicated student of the game. I would be pumped if we got him. Everyone should send him a FRIENDLY Tweet that he should come to Bmore! @EvanMathis69

[GOTA]

Nobody inside or outside Philly has any clue, it isn't like they have a young stud being blocked they actually have very little depth on the Oline.

Fans are scratching their heads along with everyone else.

Rosenhaus is his agent, but that is all I can come up with.

It's weird because they extended Herriman the other Guard. I wondered if it was a Gaither situation where the 2 sides just don't like each other but I couldn't find anything.

[SugarRay52]

I love this guy. If you read the AMA that mfdoom posted earlier in the thread, he is a down-to-earth, dedicated student of the game. I would be pumped if we got him. Everyone should send him a FRIENDLY Tweet that he should come to Bmore! @EvanMathis69

I'm way ahead of you regarding the tweet.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

It's weird because they extended Herriman the other Guard. I wondered if it was a Gaither situation where the 2 sides just don't like each other but I couldn't find anything.

I have been looking as well but like you just can't come up with anything.

They did extend Cole, Jackson and Herremens so maybe it is money related?

[UKRavenGordon]

If we do sign Mathis, we can thank Cincy for not realising what they had a few years back. They were rotating him with their other LG despite Mathis outplaying him. His limited body of work will cause his price to be lower than Grubbs and Nicks in all likelihood but he is ridiculously good. Mathis and Yanda would be the best set of guards in the league.

[dandrews]

He's definitely better than Grubbs. Only downside is he's 4 years older as well

[BcRaven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezaAMcCy3u4&feature=player_embedded
dedication, i like it

Man, that looks just like me.......................in my dreams...................
Now where's that Bass Ale and cheese burger? ... Bc

[leachisabeast]

Yes his age is sadly the only thing that concerns me. You could be going into 2012 with a very old left side of the line, especially if you go in with Birk starting.

[GOTA]

I have been looking as well but like you just can't come up with anything.

They did extend Cole, Jackson and Herremens so maybe it is money related?

No. They have so much money that they are now looking to extend LeSean McCoy a year early.

[Iscull]

It's weird because they extended Herriman the other Guard. I wondered if it was a Gaither situation where the 2 sides just don't like each other but I couldn't find anything.

Howard Mudd is the guy who decides who he wants for the offensive line. They have Jason Peters and Todd Heremans as the bookend tackles who are both extremely talented and fit Mudds scheme. Jason Kelce is an athletic center personally picked by Mudd. Jason Watkins was also picked to fit Mudds scheme.

[Shas]

Howard Mudd may think he isn't a great fit for his scheme. Honestly, I would be all over this if he could stay healthy.

For those who don't know him, Mudd is the 70-year old offensive line coach of the Eagles. When Andy Reid made former line coach Juan Castillo his defensive coordinator, Reid also lured Mudd out of retirement. I had read where Mathis credits Mudd as being one of the best line coaches he's been around. So it's hard to figure why it wouldn't be a fit. Mudd was with the Colts until '09. He favors a zone blocking scheme, which Mathis excelled at.

Still, Mathis was an undersized third-round pick that washed out in Carolina, was cut in Miami, and never got a ton of playing time in Cincy before the Eagles gave him a $735K one year deal.

Despite the recent recognition, there seems to be a reason why he hasn't exactly forced teams to keep him around.

[Tyrian]

Dave Spadaro ‏ @davespadaro Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
OG Gibson just here to challenge. Mathis is a player the #Eagles are still interested in retaining if possible

Spadaro some Iggles insider. Now, of course, could just be respectful words.

[edreedisgod20]

That's sweet, but seems really light for a guard.

Interestingly, if you crunch the numbers, he actually gained 12 pounds of muscle (and trimmed 35 pounds of fat) in that sequence.

[SugarRay52]

Man, that looks just like me.......................in my dreams...................
Now where's that Bass Ale and cheese burger? ... Bc

That could be you Bc if you workout with me and help me pursue my new dream of becoming an
overpaid 3rd string NFL WR LOL. I have to strike while the iron is hot LOL.

[Terpsfan82]

He's definitely better Grubbs. Only downside is he's 4 years older as well
Oh the hyperbole. Lord have mercy.

[RavNMadMan]

That's sweet, but seems really light for a guard.

A bit light can work if he has a commensurate amount of atheticism and strength.

[dandrews]

Oh the hyperbole. Lord have mercy.

Ummm what hyperbole? That he's better or that he's 4 years older. I have data that backs both up?

So kindly I ask, what the hell are you talking about?

[RavenScallywag]

Having an older left side of the line isn't too bad. Just would assume we would probably invest draft picks in 2 of the 3 spots there. Jah Reid/Oher and Yanda are set for awhile on the right side.

The thing I'd be concerned with is there is a fairly large drop off from Mathis to the "next best" FA OG. Chico Rachal. Not that we should overspend, but if Grubbs is as truly gone as it sounds like, I would make sure Mathis doesn't leave the facility tomorrow. Do almost whatever you have to.

[Terpsfan82]

Ummm what hyperbole? That he's better or that he's 4 years older. I have data that backs both up?

So kindly I ask, what the hell are you talking about?

Both. Grubbs was the best lineman we had last year. And you're touting some 31 year old journeyman is going to be better? What are you smoking? Did you notice the drop off when Grubbs was out of the lineup last year? I guess not.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Both. Grubbs was the best lineman we had last year. And you're touting some 31 year old journeyman is going to be better? What are you smoking? Did you notice the drop off when Grubbs was out of the lineup last year? I guess not.

That may have been as much of a case of our backups absolutely sucked.

That guy we picked up from New England...I can't even remember his name, but he was awful...probably one of the worst OL we've had in here and he was quickly shown the door.

Gurode...obviously was not a guard and wasn't used to sometimes having to play in space. Late in the season when Yanda was hurt, it was Reid taking snaps at his spot in practice, not Gurode.

Grubbs is a good guard, but he isn't irreplaceable if we can at least get someone in here who is solid/above average because our interior backups were awful last year, and that contributed a lot to how glaring the hole was when he got hurt.

[runrayrun27]

I do agree that Grubbs is better, but I believe Mathis is the best option for us, as a team that has to balance quality and price. He'll get the job done and if him, birk and yanda stay healthy they'd be solid inside (assuming we sign him, which I have no idea)

[Terpsfan82]

That may have been as much of a case of our backups absolutely sucked.

That guy we picked up from New England...I can't even remember his name, but he was awful...probably one of the worst OL we've had in here and he was quickly shown the door.

Gurode...obviously was not a guard and wasn't used to sometimes having to play in space. Late in the season when Yanda was hurt, it was Reid taking snaps at his spot in practice, not Gurode.

Grubbs is a good guard, but he isn't irreplaceable if we can at least get someone in here who is solid/above average because our interior backups were awful last year, and that contributed a lot to how glaring the hole was when he got hurt.

Fair enough. Never said he was irreplaceable. Just that we need to hold our horses if we think this Mathis guy is going to come in here and be the second coming of John Hannah.

[wickedsolo]

Why aren't the Eagles interested in keeping him? They have plenty of cap space. What was the issue there?

Drafted a OG in round 1 last year.

[wickedsolo]

I don't believe that Mathis is better than Grubbs, BUT, he's a damn good guard and he's a good run blocker as well as pass blocker.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Fair enough. Never said he was irreplaceable. Just that we need to hold our horses if we think this Mathis guy is going to come in here and be the second coming of John Hannah.

Yeah, I know, and I definately believe that losing Grubbs would be a blow. Saying that Mathis is better is quite a stretch...especially if you haven't watched him play, and while PFF is a great tool, it certainly isn't foolproof...it had Gaither as like the 4th best OT in the league after 2008.

I do like the idea of Mathis though if we can't re-sign Grubbs...I think he would be a good replacement and everything I've seen regarding his '11 plays says the guy is pretty good.

[Dirt1]

Having an older left side of the line isn't too bad. Just would assume we would probably invest draft picks in 2 of the 3 spots there. Jah Reid/Oher and Yanda are set for awhile on the right side.

The thing I'd be concerned with is there is a fairly large drop off from Mathis to the "next best" FA OG. Chico Rachal. Not that we should overspend, but if Grubbs is as truly gone as it sounds like, I would make sure Mathis doesn't leave the facility tomorrow. Do almost whatever you have to.

Robert Gallery is about to get cut.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/14/seahawks-cut-cord-on-guard-robert-gallery/

[RavenScallywag]

Not sure what to think of Gallery...He was pretty much a bust up until a few years ago, when he seemed to improve as a G. Followed Cable from Oak to Seattle, but now Seattle is cutting him after what, 1 year?

[wickedsolo]

Not sure what to think of Gallery...He was pretty much a bust up until a few years ago, when he seemed to improve as a G. Followed Cable from Oak to Seattle, but now Seattle is cutting him after what, 1 year?

I dont get it either. The reports say he wasn't very good for them last year, but I always thought he did ok.

[RavenScallywag]

I dont get it either. The reports say he wasn't very good for them last year, but I always thought he did ok.

Apparently, he was hurt for a chunk of last year, which explains why his agent is tweeting "Finally healthy!" along with the news. They are looking at Steve Hutchinson, who is probably going to be cheaper.

[dandrews]

Both. Grubbs was the best lineman we had last year. And you're touting some 31 year old journeyman is going to be better? What are you smoking? Did you notice the drop off when Grubbs was out of the lineup last year? I guess not.

You know this "journeyman" guard didn't allow a sack all year, right? Pretty high praise considering how much the rest of the Eagles line was in shambles.

But we aren't resigning Grubbs anyway. Give me the "journeyman" over any other left guard available.

Certainly you can make the argument Grubbs is better, But hyperbole? Please

[dandrews]

Fair enough. Never said he was irreplaceable. Just that we need to hold our horses if we think this Mathis guy is going to come in here and be the second coming of John Hannah.

He doesn't have to be John Hannah to be better than Grubbs. Grubbs isn't this world class guard you think he is. I personally think Yanda is better, and so do the Ravens, considering where they decided to throw their money.

[Paintballguy]

I'm sold on Mathis. Sign him Ozzie!

[Terpsfan82]

He doesn't have to be John Hannah to be better than Grubbs. Grubbs isn't this world class guard you think he is. I personally think Yanda is better, and so do the Ravens, considering where they decided to throw their money.

Well, you what they say. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one. :D

[dandrews]

Well, you what they say. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one. :D

Very true.

[Raven 555]

Something tells me Mathis is just shopping around to see what the market will pay. Hope I am wrong but Rosenhaus is his agent.

[mfdoom42]

Both. Grubbs was the best lineman we had last year. And you're touting some 31 year old journeyman is going to be better? What are you smoking?

I don't think you really have a leg to stand on here, Grubbs had a good year, but I think most people would agree that Yanda is the superior talent. Additionally, Mathis had arguably the best season at LG in the NFL last year, as supported by numerous advanced statistics sites.


Did you notice the drop off when Grubbs was out of the lineup last year? I guess not.

Not sure how this relates to Grubbs vs. Mathis. Since the line played worse with Gurode at LG instead of Grubbs, that somehow proves that Grubbs is superior to Mathis? Huh?

[leachisabeast]

I do think we over value Grubbs here, Yanda is the better guard IMO (hence why we offered him so much money and not Grubbs.) Grubbs had a part in our line getting dominated in the play offs. Also I am taking a great guard at a good price over a great guard who is asking for too much money.

[GOTA]

I do think we over value Grubbs here, Yanda is the better guard IMO (hence why we offered him so much money and not Grubbs.) Grubbs had a part in our line getting dominated in the play offs. Also I am taking a great guard at a good price over a great guard who is asking for too much money.

They offered Grubbs similar money to what they gave Yanda last season.

[JAB1985]

They offered Grubbs similar money to what they gave Yanda last season.

I think the team see them as different yet value them the same for this very reason.

Yanda and Grubbs both have their strengths and weaknesses. That doesnt mean Mathis cant come in and be better but for a guy going to his 3rd team in 5 years id have to say that the likelihood that mathis is greater or better than Grubbs doesnt seem likely, I do not care what PFF or anyother site says. Look at the Phillys line last year as a whole and they were pretty bad. being the one guy that stands out when theres holes everywhere else just means teams had other options to exploit more easily and game planned accordingly. Id take this signing with a grain of salt. he may fill in and be better than average but Grubbs is the superior talent which explains the superior price. If he does sign elsewhere id welcome mathis but i still wouldnt consider the position set until after the preseason.

[B-more Ravor]

Mathis may be a "journeyman" but he did have a very good year last year and is pretty highly rated by a lot of teams. With Niicks off the market and Grubbs off the market soon, Mathis is going to start getting a lot of attention.

He may not be as cheap as some think, and as unknown to many of us as he may have been, PFT had him rated just one spot behind Grubbs in their Top 100 FA list.

[Peterman]

Well, Mathis didn't allow a sack, and didn't false start all of last year, so I'd consider that to be a pretty damn good year :)

[Terpsfan82]

I don't think you really have a leg to stand on here, Grubbs had a good year, but I think most people would agree that Yanda is the superior talent. Additionally, Mathis had arguably the best season at LG in the NFL last year, as supported by numerous advanced statistics sites.



Not sure how this relates to Grubbs vs. Mathis. Since the line played worse with Gurode at LG instead of Grubbs, that somehow proves that Grubbs is superior to Mathis? Huh?

See post #63 in this thread. Thank you.

[wickedsolo]

Well, Mathis didn't allow a sack, and didn't false start all of last year, so I'd consider that to be a pretty damn good year :)

The problem with Mathis is that he has never played an entire season.

He only had 7 starts in 3 years with the Bengals.

[Terpsfan82]

I don't think you really have a leg to stand on here, Grubbs had a good year, but I think most people would agree that Yanda is the superior talent. Additionally, Mathis had arguably the best season at LG in the NFL last year, as supported by numerous advanced statistics sites.



Not sure how this relates to Grubbs vs. Mathis. Since the line played worse with Gurode at LG instead of Grubbs, that somehow proves that Grubbs is superior to Mathis? Huh?

Well if he's better than Grubbs then why isn't he the one in New Orleans right now? You know something they don't?

[JAB1985]

Well if he's better than Grubbs then why isn't he the one in New Orleans right now? You know something they don't?

because the league doesnt see him as better, despite what PFF says. Hes just now getting visits in and thats because the top two are basically off the market. hes 2nd tier, maybe the best 2nd tier, but still 2nd tier.

[The Excellector]

Grubbs has been as good as he's been for several years, as has Carl Nicks. That is one reason why both are higher on teams' lists. Grubbs and Nicks are both more scheme diverse as well, where I think that Mathis is someone who would excel in the zone. Evan Mathis, himself, admitted that you have to show consistent success to be recognized as one of the better offensive linemen. That is the main issue, along with his age.

[wickedsolo]

because the league doesnt see him as better, despite what PFF says. Hes just now getting visits in and thats because the top two are basically off the market. hes 2nd tier, maybe the best 2nd tier, but still 2nd tier.

Age and durability has a lot to do with it as well.

Mathis is 30, Grubbs is 27 and Nicks I think is 26 or just turned 27.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Well if he's better than Grubbs then why isn't he the one in New Orleans right now? You know something they don't?

Frankly, I have no idea why Grubbs is in NO as they don't have the cap room to sign him. I'd be surprised if they had more than $3 million under the cap.

Now when Washington gets involved, they are a whole other story.

[Terpsfan82]

Frankly, I have no idea why Grubbs is in NO as they don't have the cap room to sign him. I'd be surprised if they had more than $3 million under the cap.

Now when Washington gets involved, they are a whole other story.
I heard the Redskins are looking at Grubbs. They supposedly have little room left as well.

[The Excellector]

I heard the Redskins are looking at Grubbs. They supposedly have little room left as well.

Yes. Washington offered more for Yanda than Baltimore, last year. Yanda took less to stay in Baltimore. Ozzie is placing similar value on Ben Grubbs and Grubbs will likely have to make a similar choice between more money from Washington or less from Baltimore.

However, there is the chance that if Ozzie could sign Mathis for less, than he won't wait and will try to lure in Winston at the same time.

[GOTA]

For those who don't know him, Mudd is the 70-year old offensive line coach of the Eagles. When Andy Reid made former line coach Juan Castillo his defensive coordinator, Reid also lured Mudd out of retirement. I had read where Mathis credits Mudd as being one of the best line coaches he's been around. So it's hard to figure why it wouldn't be a fit. Mudd was with the Colts until '09. He favors a zone blocking scheme, which Mathis excelled at.

Still, Mathis was an undersized third-round pick that washed out in Carolina, was cut in Miami, and never got a ton of playing time in Cincy before the Eagles gave him a $735K one year deal.

Despite the recent recognition, there seems to be a reason why he hasn't exactly forced teams to keep him around.

Mathis tweeted that Ozzie was friends with his Mom. Mathis played at Alabama so we know the Ozzie probably knows a lot about him. What's interesting is that Ozzie had many opportunities to sign Mathis in the past but never did. I don't recall the Ravens ever even bringing him in. I think it's a good idea that they are looking at him now but I am unconvinced that he is the stud that everyone is suddenly making him out to be.

[GOTA]

Frankly, I have no idea why Grubbs is in NO as they don't have the cap room to sign him. I'd be surprised if they had more than $3 million under the cap.

Now when Washington gets involved, they are a whole other story.

Teams don't like to waste their time. They must have the cap room to sign him, or feel they can make the cap room, or they wouldn't be bringing him in.

[Dirt1]

I heard on the radio this morning that Jamaal Jackson (C/OG) was cut by the Eagles. I have always liked Jackson, and would prefer the Ravens sign him over bringing Birk back. Jackson could also fill in at OG if necessary.

[pslholder96]

Teams don't like to waste their time. They must have the cap room to sign him, or feel they can make the cap room, or they wouldn't be bringing him in.

True but something's got to give. Grubbs has been in New Orleans for a couple of days now. If I'm Grubbs I'm telling them I'm moving forward with other visits and will keep in touch. If anything I think Grubbs has the upper hand given Nicks departure. Not to mention he has the Ravens offer in his back pocket. Must have been a pretty good offer if New Orleans as yet to match it by now.

[The Excellector]

Mathis is a notch down from Grubbs, but could fit well into this scheme given the other potential moves to be made around him.

[Carey]

Mathis and Winston or one of the two would be interesting...we'd definetely get better pass protection but my concern would be their size, especially Mathis. He doesnt play the size in the NFC East that he'd face here in the AFC North, none of those teams have true space eating NT's...Taylor and Rubin in Cleveland, Peko in Cincy, Hampton in Pittsburgh. Same with Winston playing the AFC South...I'd have to go back and see how they played when they played bigger fronts.

[The Excellector]

Mathis and Winston or one of the two would be interesting...we'd definetely get better pass protection but my concern would be their size, especially Mathis. He doesnt play the size in the NFC East that he'd face here in the AFC North, none of those teams have true space eating NT's...Taylor and Rubin in Cleveland, Peko in Cincy, Hampton in Pittsburgh. Same with Winston playing the AFC South...I'd have to go back and see how they played when they played bigger fronts.

Well, Winston and co. didn't have much of a problem against the Ravens in the playoffs, nor against Pittsburgh before they started dealing with their injuries, nor against Cincinnati in the playoffs.

[Carey]

Well, Winston and co. didn't have much of a problem against the Ravens in the playoffs, nor against Pittsburgh before they started dealing with their injuries, nor against Cincinnati in the playoffs.

Very true, i'd just like to watch him specifically...also its not like we are a pure zone blocking scheme team, we've implemented it but we still have more players that fit a power scheme. If we're going to a ZBS majority of the time then cool but if not i'd like to see how he'd transition.

For Winston i'd be less concerned because he's not facing the interior lineman as much, for Mathis at 295 lbs facing the big interior defensive lineman of the AFC North i'd need to see him on tape against bigger guys to be more comfortable with that. And thats not saying he couldnt or that he's not a terrific player, just a little apprehensive.

[JAB1985]

Mathis tweeted that Ozzie was friends with his Mom. Mathis played at Alabama so we know the Ozzie probably knows a lot about him. What's interesting is that Ozzie had many opportunities to sign Mathis in the past but never did. I don't recall the Ravens ever even bringing him in. I think it's a good idea that they are looking at him now but I am unconvinced that he is the stud that everyone is suddenly making him out to be.

you could argue the need wasnt there with Grubbs and Yanda on the team but i agree with the rest. especially when you consider he was just a depth guy in Cincy, if hes friends with the family youd think he could have atleast been that here.

[Shas]

Teams don't like to waste their time. They must have the cap room to sign him, or feel they can make the cap room, or they wouldn't be bringing him in.

It's an interesting situation there in New Orleans. First, there is the Bounty thing, which I am not sure is behind them. I wouldn't trust Goodell doing the fair and rational thing -- he could make it really tough on the team.

Then there is Brees. They offered him the exclusive franchise tag. If he signs it, it will cost the $16 million this year, and prevent him from even talking to other teams.

He says he doesn't want to sign it. Recall that the Chargers tagged him back in, what, 2005 was it? Then he busted up his shoulder, which may have cost him his job there, if not a lot of money. So you can see why he wants the long term deal now.

So there is a lot of pressure to get that deal done, and it would probably help free up cap space. I'm going to guess a Grubbs deal could be dependent on a Brees deal.

In the meantime, Carl Nicks, who had said he wanted to stay before he signed with the Bucs, had some not so positive things to say about being an offensive lineman in Sean Payton's offense....


To have a guy who gets more than 10 carries a game, it's going to be crazy, too. You know in New Orleans how we used to do it (on offense). First and foremost, I love and respect Sean (Payton); he drafted me and he's a good guy. But let's keep it real. We passed first, we passed second, passed third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and then we might run at the end. But you had Reggie (Bush), who gets seven carries, you have Pierre (Thomas), he'll get about 11, (Mark) Ingram, he'll get about 10. Different running backs, they hit the holes differently, they read them differently, so you never get a good feel on how to block. Then you have LeGarrette Blount and (Derrick) Ward in there, and who knows if they get anyone in the draft -- you'll get a 20-plus-carries guy, and it's going to be exciting.

[DonNMass]

I'll admit to not knowing much about the Eagle's O-Line, but wonder why Vick was running for his life when he wasn't too banged up to play if these guys are supposedly so good.

[JAB1985]

It's an interesting situation there in New Orleans. First, there is the Bounty thing, which I am not sure is behind them. I wouldn't trust Goodell doing the fair and rational thing -- he could make it really tough on the team.

Then there is Brees. They offered him the exclusive franchise tag. If he signs it, it will cost the $16 million this year, and prevent him from even talking to other teams.

He says he doesn't want to sign it. Recall that the Chargers tagged him back in, what, 2005 was it? Then he busted up his shoulder, which may have cost him his job there, if not a lot of money. So you can see why he wants the long term deal now.

So there is a lot of pressure to get that deal done, and it would probably help free up cap space. I'm going to guess a Grubbs deal could be dependent on a Brees deal.

In the meantime, Carl Nicks, who had said he wanted to stay before he signed with the Bucs, had some not so positive things to say about being an offensive lineman in Sean Payton's offense....

Brees wants to be the highest paid QB (by 5 million), isnt the franchise tag guaranteed to be cheaper at that point since its the average of the top 5?

[GOTA]

Brees wants to be the highest paid QB (by 5 million), isnt the franchise tag guaranteed to be cheaper at that point since its the average of the top 5?

Maybe and maybe not. The average for Brees would be greater than the franchise tag over the length of the contract. That doesn't mean that this year would be more than the franchise number because they could structure the contract to hit the cap more in future years than this one.

[Shas]

Brees wants to be the highest paid QB (by 5 million), isnt the franchise tag guaranteed to be cheaper at that point since its the average of the top 5?

Others here can speak with more precision about contracts and cap implications, but I think the general notion is that you give these guys long term contracts...like seven or ten years...and the dollars ramp up from year to year. So the average is higher than what he is really going to be paid in salary in the first year. For instance, when Eli Manning was signed to a contract that made him the highest-paid QB in the league, it was a six-year deal worth $97.5 million ($16.25 million average)-- but he made $9.4 million in the first year. The signing bonus, while big, would get spread-out over all six years. So my assumption is that the Saints would have some flexibility in 2012 to lower the Brees cap hit by extending him, and free up space for a player like Grubbs.

[JAB1985]

Maybe and maybe not. The average for Brees would be greater than the franchise tag over the length of the contract. That doesn't mean that this year would be more than the franchise number because they could structure the contract to hit the cap more in future years than this one.


Others here can speak with more precision about contracts and cap implications, but I think the general notion is that you give these guys long term contracts...like seven or ten years...and the dollars ramp up from year to year. So the average is higher than what he is really going to be paid in salary in the first year. For instance, when Eli Manning was signed to a contract that made him the highest-paid QB in the league, it was a six-year deal worth $97.5 million ($16.25 million average)-- but he made $9.4 million in the first year. The signing bonus, while big, would get spread-out over all six years. So my assumption is that the Saints would have some flexibility in 2012 to lower the Brees cap hit by extending him, and free up space for a player like Grubbs.

I guess i can see that, i was just assuming that a deal averaging 23 million would have to start around the Franchise tag for a QB anyway, but i guess i wasnt thinking about them going cheap this year and super high in future years when the cap is larger. 10 this year and 36 the last seems pretty drastic, i thought it was normally pretty average increases like 15 20 25 30 to average around 23.

[Paintballguy]

My prediction: Mathis doesn't leave the castle without a contract.

[GOTA]

My prediction: Mathis doesn't leave the castle without a contract.

It doesn't sound like he's visiting any other teams so they probably could sign him if they want to.

[Terpsfan82]

Looks like many will get their wish, now that Grubbs signed with NO.

[The Excellector]

I think that Ozzie is trying to hurry up and sign Mathis, before his price goes up.

[TheFlacco]

Not sure how much stock to put into Pro Football Focus' rankings, but they seemingly do a pretty darn good job breaking down film (literally every snap)...which is seemingly a lot more thorough of a study than your average fan has time for. With that in mind, PFF had Mathis as their "first team all pro" left guard and Yanda as their "first team all pro" right guard. Sounds like a plan to me!

[Ravenous1]

Mathis if I recall is a little injury prone but a solid guard and if the price is right then signing him would be a pretty decent solution. He had a really good year last year and could easily fill that slot for 2-3 yrs (think he 30 or 31). Not as young as Grubbs so not as valuable in some respects but would fit the need the Ravens have and do so with a deal that will give the Ravens more cap flexibility down the road.

[Carey]

Supposedly still alot of interest to bring back Mathis by the Eagles, and he would be the best guard left. If this is soemething Oz and co. really wants, something tells me he'd better get it done today.

You wonder where they are on Jameel Mcclain...i wonder if they wanna get the O-Line settled first and see what kind of money is left

[goodandfast]

Supposedly still alot of interest to bring back Mathis by the Eagles, and he would be the best guard left. If this is soemething Oz and co. really wants, something tells me he'd better get it done today.

You wonder where they are on Jameel Mcclain...i wonder if they wanna get the O-Line settled first and see what kind of money is left

I think McClain is going to find out that he isn't really much of a commodity in FA and will re-sign at a reasonable rate.

[Boulderraven]

Not sure how much stock to put into Pro Football Focus' rankings, but they seemingly do a pretty darn good job breaking down film (literally every snap)...which is seemingly a lot more thorough of a study than your average fan has time for. With that in mind, PFF had Mathis as their "first team all pro" left guard and Yanda as their "first team all pro" right guard. Sounds like a plan to me!

Agreed. Grubbs is slightly better than average, not a good pass protector. Oft injured. The only reason he gets ink cause he was a first round pick. He is a risk, IMO with a big contract and turf toe. Playing on the turf in NO isn't going to help. The pro bowl stuff is so overrated. Kemo from the Steelers this year was an alternate also, he's awful. Grubbs is no Nicks, not even close. He is no Yanda not even close.
In both playoff games, Grubbs and Birk both got their butt kicked.

[Baltoravens]

Agreed. Grubbs is slightly better than average, not a good pass protector. Oft injured. The only reason he gets ink cause he was a first round pick. He is a risk, IMO with a big contract and turf toe. Playing on the turf in NO isn't going to help. The pro bowl stuff is so overrated. Kemo from the Steelers this year was an alternate also, he's awful. Grubbs is no Nicks, not even close. He is no Yanda not even close.
In both playoff games, Grubbs and Birk both got their butt kicked.

You do realize the Super Dome has the same turf we have and that a large portion of stadiums have these days. No one has old school astroturf anymore.

[GOTA]

As contingency plans go signing Mathis would be a pretty good one. He's clearly the best option at this point.

[Boulderraven]

You do realize the Super Dome has the same turf we have and that a large portion of stadiums have these days. No one has old school astroturf anymore.

Yes, I know that. That's why Aaron Wilson mentioned on the radio on the fan, the Ravens likely wouldn't keep him. Cause of the toe, I doubt he got as much guaranteed $ from the Ravens as the Saints. You don't want grade 2 turf toe, as a DLman, or OLman. In contrast Lewis and Webb had grade 1 toe injuries, big difference. Turf toe for a lineman is a a career killer and often chronic.

[Ravenous1]

You do realize the Super Dome has the same turf we have and that a large portion of stadiums have these days. No one has old school astroturf anymore.

Regardless of the turf, his health or any other factors, giving Grubbs that kinda scratch would have been detrimental long term to the Ravens IMO were the cap is concerned.

[GOTA]

Regardless of the turf, his health or any other factors, giving Grubbs that kinda scratch would have been detrimental long term to the Ravens IMO were the cap is concerned.

True. You can't pay them all. Teams have to identify their core players and Grubbs wasn't one.

[wickedsolo]

Signing Evan Mathis pretty much has to be a priority for them at this point.

[goodandfast]

Signing Evan Mathis pretty much has to be a priority for them at this point.

I think signing an O-lineman is a priority, but they still have the flexibility on the roster for the O-lineman to be either a guard or a tackle. Could be Mathis, could be Winston.

[GOTA]

I think signing an O-lineman is a priority, but they still have the flexibility on the roster for the O-lineman to be either a guard or a tackle. Could be Mathis, could be Winston.

Could even be both Mathis and Winston

[Ravenous1]

True. You can't pay them all. Teams have to identify their core players and Grubbs wasn't one.

Yup agreed and you also have to be able to have some flexibility to respond to an ever changing market. Reality is that Webbs price has gone up based on the contracts being thrown at CB's the last few days. Same thing for Wallace in Pittsburgh based on some of the WR contracts. Would rather be in the position the Ravens are in were they can restructure and use some available space to match or resign Webb.

[goodandfast]

Could even be both Mathis and Winston

I'd be thrilled if they could find a way to make that work financially.

[goodandfast]

Yup agreed and you also have to be able to have some flexibility to respond to an ever changing market. Reality is that Webbs price has gone up based on the contracts being thrown at CB's the last few days. Same thing for Wallace in Pittsburgh based on some of the WR contracts. Would rather be in the position the Ravens are in were they can restructure and use some available space to match or resign Webb.


I don't think that is necessarily true. The Bucs have overpaid for all three of their FA signings. These perennial loser organizations have to start spending money under the CBA and the easiest way to do that is to over pay players. BUT- that doesn't mean that the contracts these teams hand out set the market rate for the positions. This is why Grubbs signed with the Saints for about half as much money as Nicks is getting from the Bucs- not because Nicks is twice as good as Grubbs, but because both the team and the agent acknowledge that contending teams are not going to overpay players.

[TheFlacco]

I don't think that is necessarily true. The Bucs have overpaid for all three of their FA signings. These perennial loser organizations have to start spending money under the CBA and the easiest way to do that is to over pay players. BUT- that doesn't mean that the contracts these teams hand out set the market rate for the positions. This is why Grubbs signed with the Saints for about half as much money as Nicks is getting from the Bucs- not because Nicks is twice as good as Grubbs, but because both the team and the agent acknowledge that contending teams are not going to overpay players.

Excellent point. Also worth noting that Pierrce Garcon and Marques Colston got similar deals. Same logic applies

[Shas]

Signing Evan Mathis pretty much has to be a priority for them at this point.

Anyone talking about Winston's former teammate in Houston, Mike Brisiel?

After spending his career with the Texans he is also on the market as a free agent guard. He is a similar player to Mathis. Both are tall, about 6'5", and only around 300 lbs. Both excel at zone blocking -- getting off the line and attacking. That is where the Ravens seem to want to go. We know the Texans had a good line (hell, they could also lose their center). He also has a lot more starts under him than Mathis. I think I saw that Oakland was looking at Brisiel, but have not heard much else about his likely landing spot.

[CRZA938]

I apologize if someone already posted this, but here's an opinion on Grubbs vs Mathis from ProFootballFocus.

ProFootballFocus.com ‏ @ProFootbalFocus

Mathis might be older than Grubbs, but he's better, and doesn't have much wear and tear on his body. Makes sense.

@T_Watson_3

Are they similar in both run/pass protection? What gives Mathis the edge over Grubbs?

@ProFootbalFocus
Reply
Much, much more technical, consistent and more dominant run blocker

http://twitter.com/#!/ProFootbalFocus/statuses/180026687017324544

[NOLARavenFAN]

You do realize the Super Dome has the same turf we have and that a large portion of stadiums have these days. No one has old school astroturf anymore.

I don't think thats exactly true, cause there are different types of Field Turf. The Saints surface is the fastest I have seen..

[GOTA]

Anyone talking about Winston's former teammate in Houston, Mike Brisiel?

After spending his career with the Texans he is also on the market as a free agent guard. He is a similar player to Mathis. Both are tall, about 6'5", and only around 300 lbs. Both excel at zone blocking -- getting off the line and attacking. That is where the Ravens seem to want to go. We know the Texans had a good line (hell, they could also lose their center). He also has a lot more starts under him than Mathis. I think I saw that Oakland was looking at Brisiel, but have not heard much else about his likely landing spot.

Brisiel was always considered the weak link of that line. I wouldn't mind keeping all options open but I haven't really heard good things about him.

By the way they are trying to resign Chris Myers their Center.

[wickedsolo]

Brisiel was always considered the weak link of that line. I wouldn't mind keeping all options open but I haven't really heard good things about him.

By the way they are trying to resign Chris Myers their Center.

Kasey Studdard is someone I'd be interested in.

[Shas]

Good information. I would be lying if I claimed I really had a first-hand opinion on Brisiel. I am giving him credit for being part of a well respected Texans line, and know he has started more than Mathis, who is a little bit of a one-year wonder.

I read that Winston was let go because he failed his physical. That also concerns me. Anyone heard more on that?

[goodandfast]

Good information. I would be lying if I claimed I really had a first-hand opinion on Brisiel. I am giving him credit for being part of a well respected Texans line, and know he has started more than Mathis, who is a little bit of a one-year wonder.

I read that Winston was let go because he failed his physical. That also concerns me. Anyone heard more on that?

I know he had his ankle scoped a few weeks ago.

[GOTA]

Good information. I would be lying if I claimed I really had a first-hand opinion on Brisiel. I am giving him credit for being part of a well respected Texans line, and know he has started more than Mathis, who is a little bit of a one-year wonder.

I read that Winston was let go because he failed his physical. That also concerns me. Anyone heard more on that?

It was just a scope for Winston. Not a big deal.

Mathis already came and left last night so the Ravens need to keep their options open.

[goodandfast]

It was just a scope for Winston. Not a big deal.

Mathis already came and left last night so the Ravens need to keep their options open.

Really? I read on LFW that he was meeting with the team this morning.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/03/15/late-for-work-315-ravens-quickly-pursue-backup-plan/

Where did you see that he has come and gone?

[leachisabeast]

The Texans have to re sign Chris Myers, he is the best center in the game. Chris Myers is only around 290 lbs but has a lot more muscle and better technique than most offensive linemen which is the same for Mathis. This tells me that we are going to be a complete zone block schemed team. If you sign Winston, you have to let McKinnie go and either play Winston or Oher at left tackle. I know Oher is not great at left tackle, but believe it or not he did better than McKinnie did this year in 2010, and we could always draft a tackle in the first few rounds.

[B-more Ravor]

Really? I read on LFW that he was meeting with the team this morning.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/03/15/late-for-work-315-ravens-quickly-pursue-backup-plan/

Where did you see that he has come and gone?

Aaron Wilson tweeted earlier today that he's still here (at least, as of this AM):


Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider
Free agent guard Evan Mathis is visiting now with Ravens team officials, per league source
10:10 AM - 15 Mar 12 via web ·

[GOTA]

Really? I read on LFW that he was meeting with the team this morning.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/03/15/late-for-work-315-ravens-quickly-pursue-backup-plan/

Where did you see that he has come and gone?

Can't even remember at this point since I've been following so many things. What I read was that Mathis met with the Ravens last night and was going to the Redskins tonight.

[GOTA]

Kasey Studdard is someone I'd be interested in.

I can't remember ever seeing him play. Isn't he a career backup?

[Baltoravens]

I don't think thats exactly true, cause there are different types of Field Turf. The Saints surface is the fastest I have seen..

The blade length, weight, and other specs of what is underneath seem to match.

Super Dome: UBU Sports S5-M
The Vault: Sportexe Momentum 51

I realize this isn't the reason we didn't bring back Grubbs I was just responding to the assertion that Grubbs would be more likely to re-injure his toe in NOLA. I don't think he is anymore or any less likely to re-injure/make worse his toe playing there than in Baltimore.

[Iscull]

Supposedly still alot of interest to bring back Mathis by the Eagles, and he would be the best guard left. If this is soemething Oz and co. really wants, something tells me he'd better get it done today.

You wonder where they are on Jameel Mcclain...i wonder if they wanna get the O-Line settled first and see what kind of money is left

Haven't heard any league interest in Jameel, yet.

[The Excellector]

Could even be both Mathis and Winston

For close to what Grubbs got from New Orleans (Perhaps, slightly higher).

[Benny8444]

Anyone have an update on Mathis?? I have not heard anything since Aaron wilson tweated that he was meeting with the team...

[goodandfast]

Anyone have an update on Mathis?? I have not heard anything since Aaron wilson tweated that he was meeting with the team...

No, but no news is good news. If it isn't being reported that he's left Bmore unsigned then both sides are still working.


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[GOTA]

For close to what Grubbs got from New Orleans (Perhaps, slightly higher).

I think Winston will be more than Grubbs. The deal he signed 3 years ago was for the same money Grubbs just got and Winston has become an even better player since then.

[JAB1985]

I think Winston will be more than Grubbs. The deal he signed 3 years ago was for the same money Grubbs just got and Winston has become an even better player since then.

so basically the Ravens better have a very good plan on what theyre doing at LG and with Oher in particular if they do try to get him. Not saying they dont but seems like a short period of time to make a call on such an important factor (in my opinion the most important in football), the offensive line. then again they might have been going over this very scenario since Winston was released.

[GOTA]

so basically the Ravens better have a very good plan on what theyre doing at LG and with Oher in particular if they do try to get him. Not saying they dont but seems like a short period of time to make a call on such an important factor (in my opinion the most important in football), the offensive line. then again they might have been going over this very scenario since Winston was released.

That's why the plan will probably be to dump McKinnie before his bonus on Saturday if they sign Winston. Cap wise that makes the most sense. That doesn't solve the issue of who plays LT but it does make this work under the cap.

[Tyrian]

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evan Mathis is having dinner tonight with Ravens team officials. He's an Alabama guy like GM Ozzie Newsome, says, "It's a good connection
Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evan Mathis told me: 'It was a good meeting with the Ravens. I think it's a good fit.' No deal yet, though He's staying in town til tomorrow

Looks promising - depends if there is a bidding war.

[leachisabeast]

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evan Mathis is having dinner tonight with Ravens team officials. He's an Alabama guy like GM Ozzie Newsome, says, "It's a good connection
Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evan Mathis told me: 'It was a good meeting with the Ravens. I think it's a good fit.' No deal yet, though He's staying in town til tomorrow

Looks promising - depends if there is a bidding war.

Every time I hear an update on Mathis and the Ravens, it just seems like our chances of signing him are getting better each time.

[wickedsolo]

If they sign him I hope it's for more than 1 year.

[Benny8444]

No deal yet!!! that means they are close and both want one. plus oz is taking him to dinner AND he is staying in Baltimore through tomorrow. lets hope something gets done.

With us keeping Bryant McKennie it looks like we wont sign Winston which will save cap space.

[leachisabeast]

If they sign him I hope it's for more than 1 year.

I highly doubt that Mathis would be happy with another 1 year deal tbh. He wants to be paid now, and wants a good contract. Not saying Ozzie is going to throw Grubbs/Yanda type money at a player who has only just came off his first season as a full starter and being recognised as an elite guard at the age of 30, but he is going to get a good contract from us if he accepts it.

[Ravenswintitle]

Sounds promising but I also hope they can bring back Birk

[Tyrian]

I highly doubt that Mathis would be happy with another 1 year deal tbh. He wants to be paid now, and wants a good contract. Not saying Ozzie is going to throw Grubbs/Yanda type money at a player who has only just came off his first season as a full starter and being recognised as an elite guard at the age of 30, but he is going to get a good contract from us if he accepts it.

I'd be surprised if they're spending an entire day, possibly two - with full wining and dining - to get him to sign a one year deal.

Probably a 3 to 4 year deal if Mathis does don the purple and black. Given his resume and short amount of starts, he's a 'young' 30 as well.

[NjRavensFan]

Lets get it done!

[sandiegosean]

No way this doesn't get done. He's as good as here if Ozzie wants him.

[Thrall]

Lets hope the crabcakes were really good !

[pslholder96]

No deal yet!!! that means they are close and both want one. plus oz is taking him to dinner AND he is staying in Baltimore through tomorrow. lets hope something gets done.

With us keeping Bryant McKennie it looks like we wont sign Winston which will save cap space.

I wouldn't be to sure about Mckinnie. He could still bea cap casualty. He's in town today to do his weigh in because he's got weight clause in this contract and a roster bonus due on Saturday. So if Winston signs guess what? See ya Bryant? LOL

[BigPlayReceiver]

Thinking about walking over to Morton's or Capital Grille to see if they are there :glasses:

[Paintballguy]

I wouldn't be to sure about Mckinnie. He could still bea cap casualty. He's in town today to do his weigh in because he's got weight clause in this contract and a roster bonus due on Saturday. So if Winston signs guess what? See ya Bryant? LOL

This. Just because they say something today doesn't mean it's set in stone.

[SugarRay52]

I wouldn't be to sure about Mckinnie. He could still bea cap casualty. He's in town today to do his weigh in because he's got weight clause in this contract and a roster bonus due on Saturday. So if Winston signs guess what? See ya Bryant? LOL

McKinnie isn't going anywhere, read this from Aaron Wilson:

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie is due a $500,000 roster bonus in a few days, which is expected to be picked up by the team, per a source
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorite 6

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie has dropped weight since the end of last season and is expected to participate in the offseason program, per a league source
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorite 3

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie had a 'very positive meeting' with Ravens team officials today and is expected to be retained, according to a league source.

A potential Winston signing won't affect McKinnie but it might affect Mr. Blindside
Michael Oher.
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorit

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

McKinnie isn't going anywhere, read this from Aaron Wilson:

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie is due a $500,000 roster bonus in a few days, which is expected to be picked up by the team, per a source
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorite 6

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie has dropped weight since the end of last season and is expected to participate in the offseason program, per a league source
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorite 3

ravensinsider Aaron Wilson
Bryant McKinnie had a 'very positive meeting' with Ravens team officials today and is expected to be retained, according to a league source.

A potential Winston signing won't affect McKinnie but it might affect Mr. Blindside
Michael Oher.
3 hours ago Reply Retweet Favorit

Of course he isn't unless you think paying 4million for a decent starting LT is something bad. Or you think he is just so bad he needs to be cut for some crazy reason.

Sign Mathis, bring back Birk and we are right where we need to be....a top 10 offensive line like we were last year and better if we don't have to witness the horror of Gurode playing guard again for 6 games.

[Shas]

I'm rooting for a Mathis signing if for no other reason than his Tweets (https://twitter.com/#!/EvanMathis69).

[JAB1985]

softened my stance just a little after talking to me eagles buddies. seems all he was suppose to be was a backup but he filled in "admirably" and overall played well, which backs up the "stats" saying he was good. Im still not so sure hed be a plug and play player and he doesnt have a very strong history but if the price is right he certainly would give us depth where we are even thinner now. depends solely on the contract to me, and either way i dont think hell be "better than grubbs."

[Tyrian]

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Free agent guard Evan Mathis remains in Baltimore as discussions with Ravens and Eagles continue, per a league source

The Eagles do want him - looks like a battle between the two for his signature.

[pslholder96]

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Free agent guard Evan Mathis remains in Baltimore as discussions with Ravens and Eagles continue, per a league source

The Eagles do want him - looks like a battle between the two for his signature.

Well that's a good sign. Either those crabcakes hit the spot or he slept at the Holiday Inn Express:)

[SouthSide]

Is Gurode(sp?) still under contract? Because I don't have a lot of faith in Birk after his late season performance. He is as intelligent of a Center as we can get, but I doubt his body is up for the task. If Gurode was a highly touted C at one point, I'd like to see him get a chance to start. If Birk wins out, then so be it.

[GOTA]

Is Gurode(sp?) still under contract? Because I don't have a lot of faith in Birk after his late season performance. He is as intelligent of a Center as we can get, but I doubt his body is up for the task. If Gurode was a highly touted C at one point, I'd like to see him get a chance to start. If Birk wins out, then so be it.

Gurode is a free agent. No idea what he's looking for.

[GOTA]

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Free agent guard Evan Mathis remains in Baltimore as discussions with Ravens and Eagles continue, per a league source

The Eagles do want him - looks like a battle between the two for his signature.

That's good news because there was a report yesterday that he was going to visit the Redskins today. Sounds like he's narrowed it to 2 teams.

[Benny8444]

THis comes down to two things.
1. Will the eagles pay what we will pay, i dont think they have nearly as much space as we do
2. Does he want to go back to the Drama in Philly??

If he is still here I am hoping its good news. Also hearing Winston is in town. Maybe bye bye to Oher??? We always have a surprise cut and he will save us some space.

[JAB1985]

THis comes down to two things.
1. Will the eagles pay what we will pay, i dont think they have nearly as much space as we do
2. Does he want to go back to the Drama in Philly??

If he is still here I am hoping its good news. Also hearing Winston is in town. Maybe bye bye to Oher??? We always have a surprise cut and he will save us some space.

but from what others have told me Oher is to cheap to ditch at this point. Hes starting caliber and getting paid minimum. it would be worth it to keep him unless somebody offered a really high pick. maybe a 2nd.

[RavenScallywag]

Is Gurode(sp?) still under contract? Because I don't have a lot of faith in Birk after his late season performance. He is as intelligent of a Center as we can get, but I doubt his body is up for the task. If Gurode was a highly touted C at one point, I'd like to see him get a chance to start. If Birk wins out, then so be it.

I think we only bring in Gurode if we don't go with Birk.

Most of us aren't sold on Birk for another year, but the Ravens seem to be liking him for another year. Unless something drastic happens, he'll be signed and Gurode is gone. Not keeping him as a G

[GOTA]

but from what others have told me Oher is to cheap to ditch at this point. Hes starting caliber and getting paid minimum. it would be worth it to keep him unless somebody offered a really high pick. maybe a 2nd.

You wouldn't get a 2nd but I can see a 3rd.

[Shas]

I think we only bring in Gurode if we don't go with Birk.

Most of us aren't sold on Birk for another year, but the Ravens seem to be liking him for another year. Unless something drastic happens, he'll be signed and Gurode is gone. Not keeping him as a G

I think they would have kept Gurode, but they seem committed to getting a center out of the draft, so that would eliminate the need for a back-up for Birk. If they don't get the guy they want in the draft, then maybe Gurode is an option again.

[iggyman555]

per Adam Schefter

From Eagles G @EvanMathis69: "Ravens have offered a nice deal. I'm flying back to Arizona to think about it and discuss it with my family."

hope he takes it :thumbup:

[runrayrun27]

Via Jason LaCanfora's twitter:

Eagles G Evan Mathis, one of top FA available, tells me the Ravens made "a nice offer" and he's going home to AZ to mull options#freeagency

[RavenScallywag]

Well, not sure how to read this news...


Adam Caplan ‏ @caplannfl
Mathis to me just now: "Ravens have offered a nice deal. I'm flying back to Arizona to think about it and discuss it with my family."



So, on the plus side, he's not visiting other teams. But he's still leaving without a deal. Sounds like he's deciding between us and Eagles. Ugh, come on dude, we don't wine and dine just anybody! Either you want to be here or you don't...You know we're closer to a SB than the Eagles!

[The Fanatic]

Well, not sure how to read this news...



So, on the plus side, he's not visiting other teams. But he's still leaving without a deal. Sounds like he's deciding between us and Eagles. Ugh, come on dude, we don't wine and dine just anybody! Either you want to be here or you don't...You know we're closer to a SB than the Eagles!

Yeah, I'm kind of thinking along the same lines here.

Let's get on with it here as guys are visiting and signing rapidly.
We can't afford to sit around and wait and watch other potential targets get signed that we could be looking at waiting for you to ultimately sign elsewhere.

[JAB1985]

You wouldn't get a 2nd but I can see a 3rd.

and thats the debate. is that insurance policy for somebody going down worth a 3rd. I think being a superbowl contender id rather have the insurance at that price.

if it is indeed offered, and starter money, then why bother having Winston come in still. seems like a waste of time which the ravens dont typically do. To me it almost has to be a good deal for a backup and given the opportunity to compete to start. im highly intrigued on how this is all going to work out.

[leachisabeast]

Well, not sure how to read this news...



So, on the plus side, he's not visiting other teams. But he's still leaving without a deal. Sounds like he's deciding between us and Eagles. Ugh, come on dude, we don't wine and dine just anybody! Either you want to be here or you don't...You know we're closer to a SB than the Eagles!

Yeah but you also have to remember some players get attached to their teams too and if Philly have already put in a deal that either matches or is even more than what we have offered him, then he has to think about it at least. I would absolutely love him to come here though and I really do think that he can offer as much value as what Grubbs has offered us over the years.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Personally, I don't think it's good news when guys leave the city they are visiting.

But I'll hope for the best. Ozzie and the guys will do what's best.

[bensmotorcyclehelmt]

Wonder what the offer was.
Imagine it was MUCH less than Grubbs wanted.


It appears he started as a half mill guy in Cincy, and then paid around $1.2 miilion his last year in Cincy.

In philly last year Mathis earned:
$685,000 salary
$50,000 s bonus
$160,000 "other" bonus
$575,000 cap value

[Tyrian]

Yeah, this is uncertain news. Wonder what the difference is? Eagles have a bit more cap room?

Maybe final offer matched? Have to pick between the two, perhaps. Or Eagles offered a little bit more, but Ravens can guarantee starting spot. Who knows. Just hope it doesn't drag on, but might not be any definitive answer until tomorrow.

[flraven]

Personally, I don't think it's good news when guys leave the city they are visiting.

But I'll hope for the best. Ozzie and the guys will do what's best.

I tend to agree, but maybe he really wants to talk it over with the wife to see if they want to make the move. Just a hunch, It tells me that the Eagles have a similar offer, but the Ravens offer is better.

[bensmotorcyclehelmt]

I'm hearing even though he's Unrestricted, I think he is givign the Eagles a good faith opportunity to match...

[JAB1985]

I tend to agree, but maybe he really wants to talk it over with the wife to see if they want to make the move. Just a hunch, It tells me that the Eagles have a similar offer, but the Ravens offer is better.

or he personally wants to play here more but leaving it up to the fam for the final decision.

[RavenScallywag]

I think if the offers were equal, he'd probably stay with Philly. My guess is Baltimore is offering slightly more, so he's debating whether they move on.

If his wife lives in a city not even courting him, why would a move be all that big a deal to his wife though? Both are east coast teams, both will rarely travel to AZ, though lot more chance there in NFC.

[B-more Ravor]

Gotta love this:


VontaLeach44 ‏ @vleach44
@EvanMathis69 come on and join the family
Retweeted by Jeff Zrebiec

[leachisabeast]

Yeah, this is uncertain news. Wonder what the difference is? Eagles have a bit more cap room?

Maybe final offer matched? Have to pick between the two, perhaps. Or Eagles offered a little bit more, but Ravens can guarantee starting spot. Who knows. Just hope it doesn't drag on, but might not be any definitive answer until tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure Mathis would have a guaranteed starting place in Philly, in case you didn't know Mathis is one of the top guards in the league right now, and not a depth filling type player.

This kind of reminds me of the Leach signing, Leach gave the Texans a chance to match our offer, but they didn't and he was reportedly disgusted by it, he is now a fan favourite here in Baltimore. I just hope Mathis gets a bad offer from Philly (unless he hasn't already received an offer from them) and has no choice but to sign for us.

[JMUpurkfool]

Gotta love this:

Yeah that's awesome.

I would think blocking for a pocket QB would be more in a linemans interest. When there is mobile QB sometimes it can get tricky knowing who to block when the shit hits the fan.

[leachisabeast]

I think if the offers were equal, he'd probably stay with Philly. My guess is Baltimore is offering slightly more, so he's debating whether they move on.

If his wife lives in a city not even courting him, why would a move be all that big a deal to his wife though? Both are east coast teams, both will rarely travel to AZ, though lot more chance there in NFC.

I honestly think it's the other way around. If Philly really valued him as a player, they would have offered him a good deal by now, they have the cap room.

[sandiegosean]

generally leaving is not good, and i was wrong about it too. I thought for sure Ozzie wouldn't let him leave. Just have to pray he wants to come to the same situation in a different confrence.

[Tyrian]

I'm pretty sure Mathis would have a guaranteed starting place in Philly, in case you didn't know Mathis is one of the top guards in the league right now, and not a depth filling type player.

This kind of reminds me of the Leach signing, Leach gave the Texans a chance to match our offer, but they didn't and he was reportedly disgusted by it, he is now a fan favourite here in Baltimore. I just hope Mathis gets a bad offer from Philly (unless he hasn't already received an offer from them) and has no choice but to sign for us.

I did know.

However, looking at the Philly roster, they picked up a couple of guards in last year's draft including a first. While he would start, it's a bit more definite here.

People above are probably right - the Ravens are willing to offer just a little bit more.

[leachisabeast]

I did know.

However, looking at the Philly roster, they picked up a couple of guards in last year's draft including a first. While he would start, it's a bit more definite here.

People above are probably right - the Ravens are willing to offer just a little bit more.

Yeah just saying a lot of people don't know much about him as he has only had one year to show any real evidence that he is worth a good contract in the NFL. They spent a first and 5th round pick on guards, I'd still start Mathis over a 5th round guard any day of the week.

[GOTA]

I honestly think it's the other way around. If Philly really valued him as a player, they would have offered him a good deal by now, they have the cap room.

I agree. Look at all the players who are still under contract that the Eagles extended early. They always make sure to lock up players they want to keep. They were probably on the fence with Mathis and now that it's decision time decided that they do still want him.

[Shas]

Decent story on Mathis from a month ago (http://thecovertwo.com/2012/02/evan-mathis-prepares-for-free-agency-after-successful-season/)

[Dragz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezaAMcCy3u4&feature=player_embedded

dedication, i like it

Thats sick... The guy looked like a cut up DE...

[Tyrian]

Reuben Frank ‏ @RoobCSN Close
Told by a league source the Eagles offered to beat Ravens' offer for Evan Mathis.

Whether they actually did or not...

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Reuben Frank ‏ @RoobCSN Close
Told by a league source the Eagles offered to beat Ravens' offer for Evan Mathis.

Whether they actually did or not...

Certainly not good news.

Had a feeling him leaving was bad news.

[Tyrian]

Certainly not good news.

Had a feeling him leaving was bad news.

If the offer was high enough, Mathis would be having a press conference. It must only be a slight bit higher and the trip home will force extra jockeying until one side gives in.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens are the one to give in - less room and can't see them going near the Grubbs money.

[rharris1986]

Sign Winston and move Oher to guard - problem solved.

[GOTA]

Reuben Frank ‏ @RoobCSN Close
Told by a league source the Eagles offered to beat Ravens' offer for Evan Mathis.

Whether they actually did or not...

Ugh :(

On the bright side that doesn't mean the Ravens couldn't then raise their offer.

[leachisabeast]

Bad news man... we don't normally get into a bidding war either. If Philly has offered to beat our offer though, and hasn't already signed for Philly it could be better news than you'd think if he's still considering our offer at a lower price.

[Paintballguy]

Bad news man... we don't normally get into a bidding war either. If Philly has offered to beat our offer though, and hasn't already signed for Philly it could be better news than you'd think if he's still considering our offer at a lower price.

Could be bs to drive the RAvens offer up.

[runrayrun27]

How in the hell does Philly have this cap space??

[leachisabeast]

How in the hell does Philly have this cap space??

Long term deals and extensions every where, that's why we should have locked down Rice after at least 2010, and same for Flacco.

[arnie_uk]

i think this is why we are bringing winston in

Plan A - Grubbs, gone
Plan B - Mathis
Plan C - Winston RT, Oher/Reid LG

Instead of waiting on his decision, we decide to bring winston in, and see what is what, incase he got signed and then mathis says no, so were left with sfa

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

Long term deals and extensions every where, that's why we should have locked down Rice after at least 2010, and same for Flacco.

No but we should just let Rice eat up 7.7 million this year and $10 million next year under the tag and then let him walk, because we don't need that cap space or him.:grbac:

[GOTA]

i think this is why we are bringing winston in

Plan A - Grubbs, gone
Plan B - Mathis
Plan C - Winston RT, Oher/Reid LG

Instead of waiting on his decision, we decide to bring winston in, and see what is what, incase he got signed and then mathis says no, so were left with sfa

Are you willing to make Winston the highest paid RT in the NFL? That's what he said he wants. How bad do you really want to sign Winston?

[leachisabeast]

Are you willing to make Winston the highest paid RT in the NFL? That's what he said he wants. How bad do you really want to sign Winston?

I wouldn't buy too much into what was written in that journalists article about that. You would have to be a moron to be expected to play for a winning team as well as being the highest paid player in your position in the league.

[arnie_uk]

find me a quote of him saying that. it was a newspaper reported that. He actually said from his own mouth he wants to play for a winner, the quotes are in here. I believe what he says, rather than what a paper reports... if he said that, dont you think we would have asked him before he flew out here today, and if he said yes, we would tell him not to bother i would think
Are you willing to make Winston the highest paid RT in the NFL? That's what he said he wants. How bad do you really want to sign Winston?

[Benny8444]

I am still confused why he left without a deal??? Maybe he is the type guy that wants to talk to his family about moving teams? or we just have not decided our o line plans yet.

[runrayrun27]

I am still confused why he left without a deal??? Maybe he is the type guy that wants to talk to his family about moving teams? or we just have not decided our o line plans yet.

In a realistic sense I'm not surprised. Clearly if he's a family guy he's not going to just make a decision with his family. If he waits more than two days without signing with the Eagles I think we have him. They may need to break the bank on him. I'm worried

[The Fanatic]

Anybody care to take a guess what this dude is saying with This Tweeted Pic? (https://twitter.com/#!/EvanMathis69/status/180847967471808512)

[Iscull]

Anybody care to take a guess what this dude is saying with This Tweeted Pic? (https://twitter.com/#!/EvanMathis69/status/180847967471808512)

If my prediction is correct... He's showing his two favorite birds... Which happen to be NFL teams...

[JettRavensSuperPup]

If my prediction is correct... He's showing his two favorite birds... Which happen to be NFL teams...

He is weighing his options which seem to be between going back to the Eagles or winning a SB with us. Hope he picks the black bird...we sure do need him

[GOTA]

find me a quote of him saying that. it was a newspaper reported that. He actually said from his own mouth he wants to play for a winner, the quotes are in here. I believe what he says, rather than what a paper reports... if he said that, dont you think we would have asked him before he flew out here today, and if he said yes, we would tell him not to bother i would think

I heard what he said, in fact I was listening live when he said it to Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan. Then I saw the losing teams he decided to visit.

[leachisabeast]

He makes the Raven look all tiny compared to the Eagle, if your going by that pic you have to think he's decided to stay with the Eagles. Unless he is simply teasing us.

[GOTA]

He makes the Raven look all tiny compared to the Eagle, if your going by that pic you have to think he's decided to stay with the Eagles. Unless he is simply teasing us.

I doubt he carved it for the occasion. It was probably just a picture he found on the net.

[arnie_uk]

yea but at that time before we cam in, where they not his only options, he never came to visit us last night, he stayed in KC, so this is all moot anyway. hes going to a decent team, for a lot of money probably, so he was just sayign the right thing at that interview i guess
I heard what he said, in fact I was listening live when he said it to Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan. Then I saw the losing teams he decided to visit.

[Rave.n.y.]

https://twitter.com/#!/EvanMathis69/status/180847967471808512/photo/1

decisions....decisions

[Ravenswintitle]

Just saw that...hope he makes the only wise choice ;)

[Raven Maniac]

I guess the Eagles will be getting him back judging by the proportion and posturing in that picture...

[Ravenswintitle]

It's the size of the deal that will matter more than the pic

[Raven Maniac]

It's the size of the deal that will matter more than the pic

Very true.

[Jayc00]

I thought size didn't matter? ;)

[dandrews]

I guess the Eagles will be getting him back judging by the proportion and posturing in that picture...

My guess is that there aren't a whole lot of pics on the Internet with an eagle and raven. It's much more likely that was the only pic he could find than there's any kind of subliminal message hidden behind it.

[Jayc00]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AJS19ccATrQ/TY971nf0IfI/AAAAAAAACXA/0HrLrtMDQKk/s1600/032011+-+Eagle+and+Raven.jpg

Perhaps this one should have been the one posted.

[PrimeTime37]

The "Dream Team" flamed out last year, the Ravens almost got to the Super Bowl and have consistently been in the playoffs. I would hope he is considering more than the money.

[Rave.n.y.]

My guess is that there aren't a whole lot of pics on the Internet with an eagle and raven. It's much more likely that was the only pic he could find than there's any kind of subliminal message hidden behind it.

the pic is on the eagles sbnation page and all the comments made it sound like they thought he carved the thing himself. using the medifor of a giant eagle unfaised by the raven. although if you can make that argument he could also be saying that the eagles will remain strong when he leaves.

[Thrall]

Looks to me like the Raven is pissed, and the Eagle is gloating. I hope I'm wrong.

[dandrews]

the pic is on the eagles sbnation page and all the comments made it sound like they thought he carved the thing himself. using the medifor of a giant eagle unfaised by the raven. although if you can make that argument he could also be saying that the eagles will remain strong when he leaves.

There is a zero percent chance he carved that thing himself.

[bacchys]

That's the kind of player the Broncos used to build the best O-line of the '90s. They were the smallest line in the NFL by weight, but all five were gym rats who worked hard to play technically sound football.

[The Fanatic]

I doubt he carved it for the occasion. It was probably just a picture he found on the net.

It is


http://ravenworksart.com/Council.htm

[PrimeTime37]

If the Ravens don't land Mathis, I'll believe the theory of drafting Konz and letting him play guard for a year. Then worry about LG and LT next year.

[leachisabeast]

If the Ravens don't land Mathis, I'll believe the theory of drafting Konz and letting him play guard for a year. Then worry about LG and LT next year.

I don't get why so many people assume Konz can play guard.. he can't and has never played there. I don't feel confident about a starting guard in the NFL who can only put up 18 reps of 225 LBS. Your better off drafting Kevin Zeitler if you need a guard, and he would make a powerful starting center too.

[Super Hornio Brother]

There is a zero percent chance he carved that thing himself.

LOL, only March FA madness can produce a quote like this...

[iggyman555]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter



Eagles and free-agent G @evanmathis69 reached agreement on a 5-year deal, $25 million deal, including $7 mil gtd. Mathis back in Philly.




Well that solves that

[Tyrian]

Not surprised. As soon as he left, it looked like Philly was more obvious. Interesting to see what the Ravens do now.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Really disappointed we couldn't sign him. On to the next target I guess.

[Jayc00]

Well that sucks.

[Tyrian]

The only guards left really are...

Geoff Schwartz, CAR (more of a tackle, but can play guard)
Jake Scott, TEN
Chilo Rachal, SF
Bobbie Williams, CIN

A few tackles around if the unorthodox approach of shifting Oher to guard goes ahead.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I agree...once UFA's leave prospective teams facilities, the likelyhood of signing drops exponentially.

Sucks...on the the next one.

[dandrews]

It'll be a rookie

[wickedsolo]

I don't get why so many people assume Konz can play guard.. he can't and has never played there. I don't feel confident about a starting guard in the NFL who can only put up 18 reps of 225 LBS. Your better off drafting Kevin Zeitler if you need a guard, and he would make a powerful starting center too.

That's not necessarily true. Centers and guards switch all the time from college to the pros. Don't get hung up on the bench either.

I have heard that he actually had played most of the year with a shoulder injury and was in the process of rehabbing it right before the combine, but didn't want to scare off too many. He's not having surgery on it.

[The Excellector]

Onto Jake Scott then.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I think I'd rather have Bobbie Williams out of that group. I think he is one of the most underrated guards in the league.

[wickedsolo]

Oh here's a though...hey Michael Oher...play guard.

Bam.

[wickedsolo]

I think I'd rather have Bobbie Williams out of that group. I think he is one of the most underrated guards in the league.

He's also older than dirt and has contemplated retirement for the past couple of years. I actually think the Bengals had to coax him out of retiring last off-season.

[Jayc00]

Flacco better push for that deal now...he's going to be running for his life again this year.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

He's also older than dirt and has contemplated retirement for the past couple of years. I actually think the Bengals had to coax him out of retiring last off-season.

I agree that he is old...but dude can play and has played well recently. I would prefer him for 1 year and getting a young guy ready for next year to picking up Jake Scott for multiple years.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Oh here's a though...hey Michael Oher...play guard.

Bam.

I think that's a good idea, but I don't think they are ready to admit that Oher may be a failure at OT.

[Tyrian]

Jake Scott's had one visit to the Cardinals, not sure of any others.

Schwartz has a few teams after him, including Vikings and Chiefs. Ravens would need to act fast if they want to try.

Nothing on Bobbie Williams, but Cincy may try to bring him back.

Chilo Rachal was not good at all last year. Don't think any visits.

Robert Galley, Kyle Kosier and former Raven Jason Brown could be other possibilities for FA.

[GOTA]

I'd still check out Vernon Carey. He's a very good run blocker and 6'6 340. If Birk is going to be the Center having a real road grader next to him is worth considering.

[GOTA]

I agree that he is old...but dude can play and has played well recently. I would prefer him for 1 year and getting a young guy ready for next year to picking up Jake Scott for multiple years.

Mckinnie, Williams and Birk might be the oldest left side in the history of the NFL.

[bmorecareful]

Jake Scott's had one visit to the Cardinals, not sure of any others.

Schwartz has a few teams after him, including Vikings and Chiefs. Ravens would need to act fast if they want to try.

Nothing on Bobbie Williams, but Cincy may try to bring him back.

Chilo Rachal was not good at all last year. Don't think any visits.

Robert Galley, Kyle Kosier and former Raven Jason Brown could be other possibilities for FA.

Scott is serviceable, but a poor run blocker. With him at LG and Birk back at C, we would probably be even worse in short yardage this year, particularly if they don't upgrade at power RB.

Gallery, Kosier, and Brown are all bad players. Rachal had a bad year last year, but was pretty good in 2010 and is younger than those guys. He's a possibility.

Bobbie Williams was the best player on that list last year, and worth a 1 year deal, IMO. Schwartz would also be a good pick up.

Bottom line here is that missing out on Mathis, particularly when the Eagles locked him up at such a low price, is devastating and a real head-scratcher. Unless he gave the Eagles a huge hometown discount, I don't understand why Ozzie didn't get it done.

[Carey]

Do you now take a pure guard higher then a center? maybe if they can get get gurode back for depth at center they can hold off a year. I also like the idea of going after Bobbie Williams as well. Im hoping for alot of movement draft day because we need to fill these holes w/adequate replacements.

[Carey]

Oh btw, i dont have Coirdy Glenn getting to 29 but if he did that would be sweet

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I'd still check out Vernon Carey. He's a very good run blocker and 6'6 340. If Birk is going to be the Center having a real road grader next to him is worth considering.

Certainly someone to look into, but does he mesh with the zone blocking we seem to be trying to go to?

[TTRaven]

Scott is serviceable, but a poor run blocker. With him at LG and Birk back at C, we would probably be even worse in short yardage this year, particularly if they don't upgrade at power RB.

Gallery, Kosier, and Brown are all bad players. Rachal had a bad year last year, but was pretty good in 2010 and is younger than those guys. He's a possibility.

Bobbie Williams was the best player on that list last year, and worth a 1 year deal, IMO. Schwartz would also be a good pick up.

Bottom line here is that missing out on Mathis, particularly when the Eagles locked him up at such a low price, is devastating and a real head-scratcher. Unless he gave the Eagles a huge hometown discount, I don't understand why Ozzie didn't get it done.

We don't have the cap space.