Ravens have drafted the 2nd-most All Pros the last 10 years

[akashicrecorder]

Thought this was an interesting factoid. PFT is spinning this story to be about the Browns' perpetual ineptitude, but it's interesting to look at the chart the Cleveland Plain Dealer has put together. It shows the Cheatriots with the most All Pros drafted from 2002-2011 with 15. Right below them are the Ravens with 13. (Yes, the Browns are at the bottom with TWO. IN TEN SEASONS.)

The Plain Dealer makes the profound revelation that All Pros drafted correlates to wins. You don't say! But even so, the Ravens win percentage for the past decade (.588) seems a little low given the talent we've had 'round these parts... the Eagles, Colts, Steelers, Packers and Chargers all made higher winning percentages will less All Pro talent. Though, of course, there's something to be said for having a HOF QB (which the Ravens have never sniffed), a good coach (which later-years Billick was not)... also something to be said for playing in a cake division (which the Ravens have never).

Just something I thought might interest the board.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html

[Ravenswintitle]

I heard a show on SiriusNFL last week and I thought they said that Oz's draft success is that he has taken 17 first rounders and 11 have made the pro bowl (something like that). Very impressive

You're right about the franchise QB making a difference - just look at the win percentage of Indy and SF to see both ends of that spectrum even though they're both listed as having 10 all pros.

[leachisabeast]

Just tells me if we have had a legit franchise QB, we could have had 2 or even 3 more rings by now. If only we had drafted Brady in the 6th round back in 2000!

[Paintballguy]

If only we had drafted Brady in the 6th round back in 2000!

I think a lot of teams are saying that. lol

[JAB1985]

Just tells me if we have had a legit franchise QB, we could have had 2 or even 3 more rings by now. If only we had drafted Brady in the 6th round back in 2000!

I dont know, im pretty happy with the way chris redman has worked out.

[The Excellector]

Just look at how the Ravens winning percentage has changed since Joe Flacco has been the QB.

[AirFlacco]

Billick would have ruined Brady in his system too.

:laugh:

But hey - Billick won the trophy with no QB and got into the POs in 01, 03 and 06.

[HoustonRaven]

So where is this PFT article that makes it about the Browns?

Can't seem to find it.

Edit: Never mind. Found it. It was written by a Cleveland paper. Why wouldn't it be about Cleveland's ineptitude?

[akashicrecorder]

So where is this PFT article that makes it about the Browns?

Can't seem to find it.

Edit: Never mind. Found it. It was written by a Cleveland paper. Why wouldn't it be about Cleveland's ineptitude?

True point, I guess, though I was more talking about how PFT was taking that angle too. The chart the Cleveland Plain Dealer made is for all 32 teams and is quite cool, so it could easily have been marketed toward fans of all 32 teams on a site that is about all 32 teams like PFT is.

[HoustonRaven]

True point, I guess, though I was more talking about how PFT was taking that angle too. The chart the Cleveland Plain Dealer made is for all 32 teams and is quite cool, so it could easily have been marketed toward fans of all 32 teams on a site that is about all 32 teams like PFT is.

I see.

Yeah, that chart was pretty telling. Kind of surprised to see the Jets so low. I've always viewed them as a team that does draft well, but their talent goes elsewhere.

[RavnFreek]

Just tells me if we have had a legit franchise QB, we could have had 2 or even 3 more rings by now. If only we had drafted Brady in the 6th round back in 2000!

I can't even watch the ESPN special "The Brady 6" that outlines the QBs that were taken before Brady that year. (Redman Being one of them) We would have easily 3 trophies by now.

[GOTA]

Anyone know how many All Pros the teams that won multiple Super Bowls in recent years, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, have drafted? Is it more than the Ravens?

[akashicrecorder]

Anyone know how many All Pros the teams that won multiple Super Bowls in recent years, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, have drafted? Is it more than the Ravens?

All 32 teams are outlined by the Plain Dealer on their chart (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html). All the recent winners drafted fewer All Pros than the Ravens have, hence my OP rant about our mismanagement of talent.

Steelers: 8
Giants: 8
Packers: 8

Cheatriots aren't exactly recent, but they are also the only team who has drafted more All Pros than the Ravens in the past 10 years, with 15 to our 13.

[GOTA]

All 32 teams are outlined by the Plain Dealer on their chart (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html). All the recent winners drafted fewer All Pros than the Ravens have, hence my OP rant about our mismanagement of talent.

Steelers: 8
Giants: 8
Packers: 8

Cheatriots aren't exactly recent, but they are also the only team who has drafted more All Pros than the Ravens in the past 10 years, with 15 to our 13.

It's very interesting. Thanks for bringing it up.

[elland]

Help me out.. who is those 13 all pros?

JO, Ray, Boulware, C-Mac, Reed, Suggs, Ngata.. Well thats seven, who is the last six?

AD 2006, Jamal Lewis 2003.. it has to be those also.. nine.

and excluding ST.. so no Jermaine Lewis.

but Heap, Rice, L. McClain, Mughelli 2006, Yanda 2011.. so 14?

[The Excellector]

The QB position. It's about the QB position now. The days of Trent Dilfer are over.

[RavensNest]

Help me out.. who is those 13 all pros?

JO, Ray, Boulware, C-Mac, Reed, Suggs, Ngata.. Well thats seven, who is the last six?

AD 2006, Jamal Lewis 2003.. it has to be those also.. nine.

and excluding ST.. so no Jermaine Lewis.

but Heap, Rice, L. McClain, Mughelli 2006, Yanda 2011.. so 14?

Thomas was undrafted I think. Didn't Grubbs make the pro bowl?

[Haloti92]

Help me out.. who is those 13 all pros?

JO, Ray, Boulware, C-Mac, Reed, Suggs, Ngata.. Well thats seven, who is the last six?

AD 2006, Jamal Lewis 2003.. it has to be those also.. nine.

and excluding ST.. so no Jermaine Lewis.

but Heap, Rice, L. McClain, Mughelli 2006, Yanda 2011.. so 14?

I am not sure if they mean All-Pros, like they say, or Pro-Bowler which is totally different (and easier to make by far). In any case, Boulware wasn't an All-Pro after 1999, so we can scratch him.

I am still trying to account for the 13 myself. I thought at first that they are counting All-Pro "years" not individuals, but I get more than 13 that way. In which case, Ed Reed counts as 5, Ray as 4, Jamal as 1, Haloti as 2, McAlister as 1, Suggs as 1, JO as 2, McClain as 1, Adalius as 1 (we drafted him in the 6th round). So if it is individuals, then I am missing 4 as well.

[The Excellector]

Wasn't Bart Scott an All-Pro one year?

[Haloti92]

Wasn't Bart Scott an All-Pro one year?


Yeah, looks like he was 2nd team All-Pro in 2006. But he was undrafted.

[Haloti92]

Yeah, Rice and Yanda were 2nd team All-Pro last year (Rice also made 2nd team in 2009). And Heap was 2nd team in 2003, and Mughelli made 2nd team All-Pro also (2006, 2010), making total of 13.

elland was dead on, except Boulware made his All-Pro before 2002.

[Ravskins]

What's interesting is that the chart is including draftees from 1987 through current. The Ravens have had 9 less drafts to get the thirteen which explains how they have won despite not having a franchise QB...until recently.