View Full Version : A Ravens player has been confirmed on the top 100 list to be named on Wednesday.
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 11:32 AM
This is what Ryan Mink said in the Ravens live chat that they do on the official website.
"Ryan Mink: A Ravens player will be revealed on NFL Network’s The Top 100: Players of 2012 Wednesday, May 30 at 8:00 p.m. The Raven revealed plays on offense, is ranked between #50-41 and was on the list last year."
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Ravens_Chat_Live.aspx
The only players left on the list who made it last year where Ray Rice and Vonta Leach (correct me if I'm wrong). So my guess would be Leach, as I would have thought that Rice would be a little higher than 50-41.
JAB1985
05-29-2012, 11:38 AM
This is what Ryan Mink said in the Ravens live chat that they do on the official website.
"Ryan Mink: A Ravens player will be revealed on NFL Network’s The Top 100: Players of 2012 Wednesday, May 30 at 8:00 p.m. The Raven revealed plays on offense, is ranked between #50-41 and was on the list last year."
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Ravens_Chat_Live.aspx
The only players left on the list who made it last year where Ray Rice and Vonta Leach (correct me if I'm wrong). So my guess would be Leach, as I would have thought that Rice would be a little higher than 50-41.
I dont think Leach is on the list this year, I think that probably lowers it down...
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 11:39 AM
I dont think Leach is on the list this year, I think that probably lowers it down...
Who else then? Because he was on it last year. And no one else was on it apart from Rice, and he will likely be at around 20-30.
Btw he was #65 last season, do you really think he's going to completely drop out of the top 100? He got better in a ravens uniform if anything.
HoustonRaven
05-29-2012, 11:41 AM
Could be either.
Leach had a break out season, so I can see him moving up to this area, given the season he had last year.
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 11:44 AM
Could be either.
Rice didn't have a stellar season as he had in2011 so I can see him falling out of favor with the players and moving back on the list.
Leach had a break out season, so I can see him moving up to this area, given the season he had last year.
Huh? The 2012 season hasn't happened yet or am I going crazy lol?
JAB1985
05-29-2012, 11:46 AM
Who else then? Because he was on it last year. And no one else was on it apart from Rice, and he will likely be at around 20-30.
Btw he was #65 last season, do you really think he's going to completely drop out of the top 100? He got better in a ravens uniform if anything.
I think its Rice. I think he didnt have as good of a year in the players eyes. He didnt have a lot of spectacular plays or have a lot of extreme efforts plays (broken tackles, etc). I think that resonates with the players and he fell back.
Didnt they say there is 7 ravens? Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, Rice, Flacco, Reed, Webb. I dont think theres much argument that Webb didnt have a better season than Leach, not to Leach's fault either. He wasnt used as often as i would have though and Rice didnt follow him as much as he should have, resulting in bad plays for Rice and unused blocks for leach.
HoustonRaven
05-29-2012, 11:48 AM
Bad stats on my part. Edited.
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 11:48 AM
Did you actually watch 2011? The two Bengals games? The Browns game? The week 1 Steelers games? Rice made plays all year, and Leach had a huge impact. It was Rice's best season IMO.
Leach is also very respected among the players in the NFL. You can bet any money that Patrick Willis will be wanting him here after being laid out by Leach, also Leach went to the pro bowl again this year so the players will know him well. There are 7 players on the list this year, and one has already been named on it. Rice will probably go between 20-30. Suggs, Ngata, Lewis, and Reed are obviously on the list. So that leaves us with Leach, Yanda, or Webb, and I don't think the players know Webb or Yanda that much right now.
JAB1985
05-29-2012, 11:54 AM
Did you actually watch 2011? The two Bengals games? The Browns game? The week 1 Steelers games? Rice made plays all year, and Leach had a huge impact. It was Rice's best season IMO.
again, didnt say he had a bad year, or even a bad statistical year. Making huge plays, flashy plays, huge effort plays resonate with players it seems more so than just stats or workman like numbers. Michael Vick running around and making guys miss, or Cam Newton doing the same, or Marshawn Lynch breaking 6 tackles on the way to the endzone, those are the types of things that players recognize and remember when they ask them to rank these guys 4 months after the season is over. Its not a knock on Rice at all, its just what i imagine theyll rank them.
Leach had an impact, but there was plenty of times he was standing beside Cam Cameron too. Hes not a full time player, like it or not. there wont be many 2 down LBs or nickel backs on this list either. You dont play you arent recognized as the best of the best.
If there are 8 Ravens on this list, than yeah id sooner assume its Leach, which imo is a little high, but if there are only 7 as earlier reported, i think hes the odd man out, which would narrow it down to Rice as the only offensive player left.
TheJoeFlaccoShow
05-29-2012, 02:08 PM
LOL at it being Rice.
He was 56....last year.
The best RB from last years list was 3rd (AP)
I guess leading the league in scrimmage yards and having the best year of his career knocked him down a notch in the voters eyes. I mean the best all around back in the NFL surely couldn't crack the top 40...
SMH.
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 03:33 PM
LOL at it being Rice.
He was 56....last year.
The best RB from last years list was 3rd (AP)
I guess leading the league in scrimmage yards and having the best year of his career knocked him down a notch in the voters eyes. I mean the best all around back in the NFL surely couldn't crack the top 40...
SMH.
Idk Rice is a pretty average back tbh. :grbac:
wickedsolo
05-29-2012, 04:37 PM
Boldin perhaps?
Torrey?
Possibly Marshall Yanda.
HoustonRaven
05-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Boldin perhaps?
Torrey?
Possibly Marshall Yanda.
The article states it's someone who was on last years list.
wickedsolo
05-29-2012, 04:43 PM
The article states it's someone who was on last years list.
Ahhh...missed that part. Well, Flacco's name has already been mentioned, so that really would just leave Rice and/or Vonta Leach.
srobert96
05-29-2012, 05:02 PM
This is top 100 players in all the NFL right? Because there is no way a full back is going to be in the top 50. Fullback is not used by all teams so there is not a lot of perceived value out there. It would have to be Rice. There are probably about 15 or so Qbs and wrs that would be ranked higher than rice. Add defensive players and a few OTs and i could see him end up in the 40s.
leachisabeast
05-29-2012, 05:40 PM
This is top 100 players in all the NFL right? Because there is no way a full back is going to be in the top 50. Fullback is not used by all teams so there is not a lot of perceived value out there. It would have to be Rice. There are probably about 15 or so Qbs and wrs that would be ranked higher than rice. Add defensive players and a few OTs and i could see him end up in the 40s.
Who cares if he's a fullback. This is rankings voted players, not the media and fans who just say "fullbacks are dying, they can't be ranked that high", fact is he is a GOOD player. I bet you any money that it's going to be Leach, because I can't see Yanda or Webb being ranked any higher than this (there are 7 ravens on the list this year). And just to remind you, he was voted at #65 last year.
TheJoeFlaccoShow
05-29-2012, 06:15 PM
BTW...
In 2010 when Adrian Peterson was 3rd overall, he only had 1639 scrimmage yds! Rice had more than him and was 56th.
This list is worthless just like the Pro Bowl voting. And every other "list"
srobert96
05-29-2012, 06:38 PM
Could be either.
Leach had a break out season, so I can see him moving up to this area, given the season he had last year.
How was last year a breakout year for Leach?
He was a first team all pro in 2010 blocking for first team all pro arian foster. Foster had a far superior season to Rice as he finished with over 1600 yards rushing and 16 TDs.
Who cares if he's a fullback. This is rankings voted players, not the media and fans who just say "fullbacks are dying, they can't be ranked that high", fact is he is a GOOD player. I bet you any money that it's going to be Leach, because I can't see Yanda or Webb being ranked any higher than this (there are 7 ravens on the list this year). And just to remind you, he was voted at #65 last year.
Leach had a better season in 2010. Not sure who the last Raven is going to be. Reed, Lewis, Flacco, Rice, Ngata, Suggs and ? Could be Yanda or Leach. Top 50 for a fullback that does not put up any offensive stats is very high. That would put him ahead of Long, Cushing, Jennings, Nelson and Wilfork just to name a few. He is not better than or more valuable than any of those players.
Ravenswintitle
05-29-2012, 07:26 PM
BTW...
In 2010 when Adrian Peterson was 3rd overall, he only had 1639 scrimmage yds! Rice had more than him and was 56th.
This list is worthless just like the Pro Bowl voting. And every other "list"
Same opinion here, it's like the power rankings, meaningless other than to argue and debate over
wickedsolo
05-29-2012, 08:01 PM
Same opinion here, it's like the power rankings, meaningless other than to argue and debate over
It is kind of interesting who the guys on the field actually consider to be the best in the league.
Haloti92
05-29-2012, 10:23 PM
It is kind of interesting who the guys on the field actually consider to be the best in the league.
I suspect that the list reflects popularity as much as talent level. I would bet a nice, well-respected guy will get a lot more votes than a guy who isn't very popular, even if their talent levels are the same. In plenty of cases the players are voting for guys they haven't even faced at all, let alone faced last year. I agree it is kind of interesting, but I also agree with Ravenswintitle that it is close to meaningless as a true gauge of yearly performance.
leachisabeast
05-30-2012, 01:44 AM
Leach had a better season in 2010.
Leach was better in 2011 trust me, go back and watch the tape he was putting guys like Patrick Willis on his ass, he was pancaking James Harrison. Do you really think guys like Willis aren't going to mention Leach as a top 50 player in the league? Also, it's not a healthy way of comparing years, but the guys at pro football focus who do this for a living gave Leach a better rating in 2011 than in 2010.
The Excellector
05-30-2012, 05:56 AM
I suspect that the list reflects popularity as much as talent level. I would bet a nice, well-respected guy will get a lot more votes than a guy who isn't very popular, even if their talent levels are the same. In plenty of cases the players are voting for guys they haven't even faced at all, let alone faced last year. I agree it is kind of interesting, but I also agree with Ravenswintitle that it is close to meaningless as a true gauge of yearly performance.
This is a good point. There could possibly be a lot of players voting, based off of their opinions garnered from other players, about a particular player.
JAB1985
05-30-2012, 06:20 AM
then Rice should be higher, as hes a well respected player and actually good.
Im not sure how they vote for these things, but i feel its more about what they see and feel is actually right, popularity only coming into play as im sure an unlikable guy isnt remembered as easily. I take a players vote with more regard than a fan or even "analyst". They play the game, they see what happens up close and personal. As far as stats not adding up to one player being better than another on the list, STATS dont tell the whole story, and a list like this of players opinions on what they saw first hand is a better idea of whats going on in the field than a piece of paper with numbers on it, imo.
It is kind of interesting who the guys on the field actually consider to be the best in the league.
How many players really vote on this? I remember last year it was under a 1/3
HoustonRaven
05-30-2012, 08:33 AM
They explain the methodology at the beginning of every show.
They explain the methodology at the beginning of every show.
Does anyone remember the percentage of players who participated this year?
Ravenswintitle
05-30-2012, 08:45 AM
Does anyone remember the percentage of players who participated this year?
I bet it's pretty low and also there have to be some guys who try to help their 'buddies' by voting them in high spots and probably try to knock down their opponents. It's just human nature
Players also tend to focused on their next opponent. They don't even look at the schedule. They are told this week it's the Bengals and that's who they think about. Every know and then you get a rare player like MJD who loves fantasy football and looks at the whole league but most can only judge who they play because that's all they see until the playoffs.
ballhawk
05-30-2012, 06:52 PM
Heads up.
leachisabeast
05-30-2012, 07:35 PM
Knew it lol.
Ravenswintitle
05-30-2012, 07:37 PM
Ok full disclosure, turned on the tube to watch NBA and saw the piece on Leach. Outstanding and YES he's worth it! ;)
DarthCorvax
05-30-2012, 07:38 PM
#44 Vonta Leach, voted #45.
chicagoravensfan
05-30-2012, 08:44 PM
Lewis, Reed, Ngata and Suggs are locks. You'd have to assume Ray Rice is the last Raven which means Webb gets the snub. Lame.
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leachisabeast
05-31-2012, 01:17 AM
Marshall Yanda and Webb will be the ravens snubs this year.
JAB1985
05-31-2012, 06:19 AM
Marshall Yanda and Webb will be the ravens snubs this year.
You called it. I really dont think Leach had a better year than Webb, and thought the Players would recognize him for it, but i was wrong.
Peyton Manning didn't even play and was ranked #50. That's all you need to know about these rankings.
Lewis, Reed, Ngata and Suggs are locks. You'd have to assume Ray Rice is the last Raven which means Webb gets the snub. Lame.
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Webb sure didn't get the snub from those who pay him which is far more important than any list
JAB1985
05-31-2012, 06:34 AM
Peyton Manning didn't even play and was ranked #50. That's all you need to know about these rankings.
didnt see that. have to say, my previous opinion that these are insightful, seem to have been demolished.