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The other point I should make is that Joe 's stats while running the hurry up are much better then from the huddle. HIs passer rating is something like 110 and his completion percentage is over 60. Plus he has let it ne known that he likes that style of offense, it's what he ran in college. So why not let him run it for 60 minutes. What's to lose at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by kojo
Yep, the numbers don't lie. I hope it works out because its easier to change OCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowrider
I actually think LJ Smith and Dan Wilcox said in interviews a few years ago that Cam was a real asshole and nothing that went wrong was his fault. According to them, IIRC, he would just show film of everything they did wrong and basically throw them all under the bus in front of each other rather than critiquing every play and pointing out good things with the bad (coaching 101).
That's the word out on cam. He's a micro manager that is power hungry. He comes off as a real dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedsolo
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--keeping-qb-joe-flacco-happy-meant-the-ravens-had-to-get-rid-of-coordinator-cam-cameron-180838938.html
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This is something else that pissed me off about Cam. Look at what the Redskins are doing for RGIII. Look at what the Panthers did for Newton last year. Hell even John Fox, did some tweaking for Tebow. They all changed their offense to fit the player and implemented things from their college careers to make them more comfortable. That never seemed to be a big concern for the Ravens.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowrider
Yeah that side also came out after the Houston loss. Cam basically threw Joe under the bus for changing the plays and Joe shot back that he really was just doing what Cam said after a certain point in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paintballguy
Has to be hard to play for a guy like that. Maybe without anything changing but a coach the players respect and want to play for will be all that it takes to be consistent.
Agreed. Cam may be a very smart guy, but he lets his ego get in the way IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAB1985
I'm very happy about Caldwell because the reports are he's very well liked by players and he doesn't need to feel "in charge". I really think Caldwell is going to run the offense to the strengths of the unit.
The Ravens have been centered around the run for a few years. It was ok when the defense was very good. It does not work when your defense is a sieve. I am not sure where this offense centered around Flacco ro Rice. The offense struggles just as much when they go run heavy because it is predictable. If you look at the long stretches of offensive futility there will be a lot of runs for little or no gain.
The issue with the Ravens offense is not a Flacco or Rice issue. It is a scheme and creativity issue. The Ravens are not a power running team. They just can't run over teams. Rice and Flacco perform best out of the single back. That is what they used to torch a very good Cincy defense. Problem is that as soon as they run into any issues they Harbaugh goes ultra conservative.
I'll never forget that game. The highlight of Mark Sanchez' career, thanks to Jim Caldwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle
To return to the initial point of the thread, you can look back to the type of offense that was run in Indianapolis, because that is what influenced the change here with Caldwell's arrival.
That system is also a vertical passing system. However, the way that it was done in Indianapolis, more was done to set up the deep play. For example, many teams played two deep coverage on Manning, to prevent the quick strike and make him work his way down the field slowly. That was the best chance they had. So, you might have seen Reggie Wayne run about a half dozen quick slants, ins and hitches, before the safeties finally started creeping up. The CBs would get jumpy, and Manning would hit them with the slant and go.
It's something that this offense has needed for goodness knows how long.
Agreed, but wasn't the Indy offense more Tom Moore and Peyton Manning than Jim Cawdell?
That's what people like to think. However, Caldwell had already done wonders with Brad Johnson, before following Dungy to Indianapolis. Peyton gives a lot of credit to what Caldwell taught him and still uses many of his training methods to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by highwater
Interesting reads, especially the Jason Cole article (Thanks SugarRay52)
I had been saying I saw Arrogance but that is water under the dam now, he is gone, time to put is on the shelf and move on.
Caldwell?
Like others here I have no idea as to what his game plan will look like.
And that is a good thing
Means that the next 2 games DCs will also have no idea how to plan/scheme against us, except for players strength/skills (take this away, don't let this person go that way -sort of things).
I also expect an extremely high level of energy as players set out to prove/approve the decision
(Caveat- a very dinged D must hold up)
Like to refer back to an article by Derek Arnold posted at Russell Street Report titled boldin-tells-cam-to-stop-calling-the-same-routes
in the Chargers gameQuote:
This week, the Rave TV cameras captured a very interesting exchange between Anquan Boldin and Cam Cameron.
http://russellstreetreport.com/boldi...e-same-routes/
Going to be some very interesting things to watch in the next weeks.
Caldwell is a long time experienced professional, I don't doubt his ability to do it, like I said, going to be interesting reading microscope reports from others (like Filmstudy) here.
That's good to hear. Other than hearing that players like him, his potential as an OC has been a mystery to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Excellector
Now, Jim Zorn was also a very likeable coach who struggled calling plays in Washington. Then again, it is Washington and Zorn isn't Shanahan.Quote:
Originally Posted by highwater
Hopefully this change will be refreshing for the entire offense. Joe can just go out and play football without having to play with that underlying tension that has existed between him and Cam for a few years now. They've played mostly tight the last two games.
I don't disagree with your overall point, but if you're referring to Hugh Jackson here, I say NFW. There were all kind of reports from guys like Peter King and Don Banks that Harbaugh can't stand Jackson. IMO, no way he comes back here unless Harbaugh is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonRaven
not to mention he somewhat "dissed" the organization on his way out... reportedly. Bridges were burnt with Hugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by esmd
There were all kind of reports out there that Cam would never be fired because of his friendship with Harbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by esmd
Hue would be a long shot compared to Norv, sure, but I think the front office is smart enough to put aside petty differences to get a quality guy to run the offense.