Here is your issue with power running folks.
If that is your strategy, Benard Pierce is actually your guy. Not Ray Rice. If you are looking for that guy to consistently get four to five yards, while wearing down a defense, that is Pierce. If you are looking for a guy who will end up averaging four yards per carry, because he breaks one for 20 here and there, that is Rice.
Today, they used Rice in space more, where he should have been used before now. He was much more electrifying. Instead of trying to use him the way they should have been using Pierce.
So, if you want to go power run, Rice isn't even the best option on your team for that, but you just paid him a lot of money.
What are you going to do?
I'm not saying trade Rice. I'm saying that the power running style the Ravens have been using for so long is getting old. Rice's style deviates from it. What Joe does best deviates from it. It's time to be more creative.
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They're both nasty once they get going forward. It was nice to see them use some stretch runs to use more of the field and try and get guys on the edge, where we can make use of the blocking abilities of Pitta and Boldin to help spring runs, and just use the O-line to keep the D Line occupied till the RBs could hit the corner.
That way the O line isnt tasked with having to blow open a hole on EVERY damn running play. Makes sense. You gotta "mix it up a little" here and there. Right CAM!?!?!? Lol.
It's a lot harder to defend the run when you can't count on it always going between the tackles every play. Make teams defend the whole field, and everything works better.
I think what we saw today was Caldwell making better use of space, matchups, and strengths. Which is kind of what we thought he'd do -- use guys at what they do best. Amazing concept.
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Over 200 combined rushing yards, yet Ex finds a way to diss Ray Rice as usual. :grbac:
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leachisabeast
Over 200 combined rushing yards, yet Ex finds a way to diss Ray Rice as usual. :grbac:
And you dissed joe flacco as well. The irony
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Justlovemybirds
Agree, especially with the the using Ray in space and creating mis- matches
Pierce is better at making holes when there isn't one.
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This. It's not so much one is better than the other overall, but they have a different skill set. Rice is very shifty with a low center of gravity but doesn't have Pierce's strength and physicality.
Rice is better in space, but he's not going to open holes on his own. Pierce has more ability to do that. It's just a question of how they should be used. They're perfect complements for each other. I think Rice should focus on routes from the backfield, catching and blocking, screens, delays/draws, etc. while Pierce should be the between the tackles mauler. Kind of like how Carolina used DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart when they were doing well.
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Why do people insist on posting such garbage. Ex wrong once again. Ray Rice has 5 (YES 5!!!!!!!!!!!) runs of 20+ this year in 254 carries, yet he is still averaging 4.5 YPC.
BTW, Advanced NFL Stats has Rice as #1 RB in NFL. In addition Rice has a 39.1% successful run rate and Pierce a 34.7% successful run rate.
A 78 yard run in garbage time does not a season make. YODA
Re: Here is your issue with power running folks.
I say they compliment each other very nicely. Both are under contract so let's just enjoy it for as long as it last.
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leachisabeast
Over 200 combined rushing yards, yet Ex finds a way to diss Ray Rice as usual. :grbac:
He is about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Re: Here is your issue with power running folks.
Think what he was saying was you're not using Rice as your power running back, if you're just going ground and pound like we used to use Jamal. And he's right. And personally why, with our personnel group, I feel Leach is expendable and we should use more single back sets and pick up a blocking FB in the later rounds of the draft. But I've been saying it for years that we should use him like the Igles use McCoy, and Jax uses MJD.
Right now on our roster you have T.Smith(outside) Jones(outside) and Boldin(who's best in the slot), we should be 3-wide 90% of the time, add in a rotation of standing Pitta up, and even Dickson who creates severe mismatches(just cause his hands are stone doesn't mean he isn't a matchup nightmare,lol).
But bottom line, we're no longer that power running, shut down D, winning games 13-10 type team any more.
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JustaslowZ06
Think what he was saying was you're not using Rice as your power running back, if you're just going ground and pound like we used to use Jamal. And he's right. And personally why, with our personnel group, I feel Leach is expendable and we should use more single back sets and pick up a blocking FB in the later rounds of the draft. But I've been saying it for years that we should use him like the Igles use McCoy, and Jax uses MJD.
Right now on our roster you have T.Smith(outside) Jones(outside) and Boldin(who's best in the slot), we should be 3-wide 90% of the time, add in a rotation of standing Pitta up, and even Dickson who creates severe mismatches(just cause his hands are stone doesn't mean he isn't a matchup nightmare,lol).
But bottom line, we're no longer that power running, shut down D, winning games 13-10 type team any more.
No what he was saying is that Rice does not consistently get 4-5 yards, but instead gets a lot of zero's and 1's with a big gain potential to end up at 4.5 YPC. But that is patently false. If you want a guy who gets you 4 or 5 yards a pop Rice is actually the guy who does that. He rarely breaks runs of over 20+ through out his career. Rice over his career average a run of 20+ once in every 40 carries.
From today's game:
Pierce: 5, 18, 10, 1, -2, -7, 3, 1, 5, 5, 4, 2, 78 and 0
Rice 3, 14, 5, -1, 3, 0, 2, 5, 19, 4, 0, 4, 4, 5, 4, 6, 0, 6, 5, 4, 5, 2, 0, and 8
Summary, he is wrong.
Re: Here is your issue with power running folks.
Not to say anyone is right or wrong, but I thought I saw Rice move the pile a few times to grab several extra yards on some carries.
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Rice may not be tall, but he ain't little. He's 220 lbs. and strong as hell.
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bacchys
Rice may not be tall, but he ain't little. He's 220 lbs. and strong as hell.
He's 210, not 220.
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Weird thing is ProFootballReference has him at 195 lbs.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...R/RiceRa00.htm
Maybe when he was a rookie, yeah, but he's heavier than that now.
Bernard Pierce is listed at 218, with Rice at 212, at least on the NFL's site, so apparently not much difference:
http://www.nfl.com/player/bernardpierce/2533545/profile
http://www.nfl.com/player/rayrice/941/profile
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leachisabeast
Over 200 combined rushing yards, yet Ex finds a way to diss Ray Rice as usual. :grbac:
lol
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arnie_uk
And you dissed joe flacco as well. The irony
You haven't read my comments properly then. I have never once dissed Flacco, I have called him out on bad games and asking for more than he's worth, that's it.
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leachisabeast
You haven't read my comments properly then. I have never once dissed Flacco, I have called him out on bad games and asking for more than he's worth, that's it.
S what exactly where you doing in wickeds joke pay him what he wants thread. I found that riddled with little insults. After arguably the best game of his career
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Reading comprehension:
LeachisBeast, you believe that the Ravens should return to a power running strategy on offense.
Self: Pierce is a better guy for that than Rice.
BigBob: if you want to go by a stat site, while only logging the gains from one game, out of fifteen, you are more than welcome. By the way, maybe Rice was more consistent this past game, because they didn't use him in a power running role. My point from the beginning.
