Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

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Originally Posted by bacchys

That it's called a certain way doesn't mean that's the way the rule is written.



Nobody had possession when the play was dead. The officials blew the whistle without seeing the ball.

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If that was the case, the ball should have gone to the last team to have possession. The Ravens.

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Originally Posted by RavenusMaximus

If that was the case, the ball should have gone to the last team to have possession. The Ravens.

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Unfortunately, the Refs never saw Yanda having possession at the time the whistle blew. So, under the rules, they were correct to give the ball to Indiana. At that point, they actually applied the Rule correctly.

What they blew was not recognizing that the ball was still live and blowing whistle.

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Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Not even close...#50 jumped on it. Yanda didn't come up with until after the play was dead.

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While that is true...I believe it is also true that the officials blew the play dead pre-maturely before the Colts has established possession of the fumble.

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Originally Posted by RavenusMaximus

On NFL Network, they showed the video of the first fumble from a different angle than what CBS showed during the game, and proved that the refs got the call wrong. All of the commentators agreed.

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As did Mike Periara on Twitter (for whatever that is worth...).

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Originally Posted by alien bird

It's the only view that shows what actually happened, and it also appears that no official had that view. If you watch, you'll see #50 fall on the ball and it immediately squirts out past the top of his helmet. That's when Yanda dives in and swallows it up. The commentary on TV (Phil Simms) pointed out that the Ravens recovered it, too, after looking at that view.

What I don't understand is why that isn't a reviewable play. At least that's what they seemed to say on TV.

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The play is not reviewable because they blew it dead once the Colt player landed on the ball. The intent of blowing the play dead is that once a player has clearly recovered the fumble, you don't want a bunch of opposing players piling on top of him and ripping the ball away from him in a scrum. The problem is that #50 never had clear possession.

It is not an exact comparison, but David Reed had possession in bounds of the Redskins kick-off return fumble about as long as #50 had possession of the ball on that play.

Bad call.

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Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

*REST OF YOUR CONDESCENDING POST REMOVED*

So congrats on not being moved. I certainly have not been either and if you go outside of this board, nobody would share your opinion.

Period

Point blank

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Right, except the 70,000 people yelling bullshit in the stadium because they knew it was a bad call too.

You know, you want to be a jerk about this RIW, fine. It's what's happening in this forum on a constant basis now where if someone disagrees the other person has to be shitty about it. Fine. You feel like you are right about this, no problem. Be done. I don't care anymore.

FWIW, Harbaugh said the call on Pollard was correct:

@RavensInsider: John harbaugh said pollard need to lower his strike zone to avoid penalties said call was correct

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Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

FWIW, Harbaugh said the call on Pollard was correct:

@RavensInsider: John harbaugh said pollard need to lower his strike zone to avoid penalties said call was correct

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harbaugh should pay Pollards fine that he just rubber stamped.

Does anyone know what happened with the downing of the punt by David Reed inside the 5 yard line? I know he went out of bounds before touching it. I thought the rule was that if you are pushed out, but make every effort to return in bounds you were allowed to touch it first. He was clearly pushed out in the replay I saw at the game.

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Originally Posted by KidSampson

Does anyone know what happened with the downing of the punt by David Reed inside the 5 yard line? I know he went out of bounds before touching it. I thought the rule was that if you are pushed out, but make every effort to return in bounds you were allowed to touch it first. He was clearly pushed out in the replay I saw at the game.

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Article 3 A player of the kicking team, who has been out of bounds, may not touch or recover a scrimmage kick beyond the line of scrimmage until it has been touched by a kicking team player who has not been out of bounds, or until it has been touched by a player of the receiving team beyond the line.
Note: If a player touches or recovers the ball before he has re-established himself inbounds, the ball is out of bounds at the spot of the touch, and there is no foul.
Penalty: For illegal touching of a scrimmage kick: Loss of five yards. If the illegal touching is inside the receiver’s five-yard line, in addition to the other specified options, the receiving team may elect to take a touchback.

Instant replay results should over ride a blown whistle. The final result should be based on instant replay resulting in what really happened. Refs blowing the whistle early because they think they are right is affecting the game. Remember steeler/dolphins game(Br fumbles, dolphin players has ball in his hands. Refs say its steeler recovery) Instant replay is there for a reason. Viewing all angles in slow time has been good for the game. Refs blew that call, J jones touchdown several weeks ago, and Reeds fumble recovery.

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Originally Posted by Mista T

Seriously?

Carey should have been fired immediately after the blatantly biased Ravens-Lions game. I've never seen another NFL ref make a "malice in the heart" comment ... and then get away with it. I'd rather see replacement refs than Carey.

I'm glad to see Hochili involved, but wary of Carey's involvement. Hopefully a bad call or two won't tilt the game towards the Colts. Need a blowout win to silence Carey.

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I told you so! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by alien bird

Article 3 A player of the kicking team, who has been out of bounds, may not touch or recover a scrimmage kick beyond the line of scrimmage until it has been touched by a kicking team player who has not been out of bounds, or until it has been touched by a player of the receiving team beyond the line.
Note: If a player touches or recovers the ball before he has re-established himself inbounds, the ball is out of bounds at the spot of the touch, and there is no foul.
Penalty: For illegal touching of a scrimmage kick: Loss of five yards. If the illegal touching is inside the receiver’s five-yard line, in addition to the other specified options, the receiving team may elect to take a touchback.

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Thanks. I could have sworn there was a stipulation for when the player was pushed out of bounds like Reed was.

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Originally Posted by KidSampson

Thanks. I could have sworn there was a stipulation for when the player was pushed out of bounds like Reed was.

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Actually, if a player is pushed out of bounds and doesn't try to get back in bounds ASAP it's a penalty whether they touch the ball or not! It's also a penalty if they go out on their own and then come back in.

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Originally Posted by grandraven

Refs won't matter game will leave no doubt we are for real.

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