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2007 - Brady - 18 wins - 50TDs, 8INTs - 4806yds - 117.2 Rating
2008 - Cassel - 11 wins - 21TDs - 11 INTs - 2924yds - 89.4 rating
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Originally Posted by Strange Bru
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2007 - Brady - 18 wins - 50TDs, 8INTs - 4806yds - 117.2 Rating
2008 - Cassel - 11 wins - 21TDs - 11 INTs - 2924yds - 89.4 rating
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Originally Posted by Strange Bru
OH great, now we're going to have a stats argument...
Not from me. His post was just so wrong i couldn't help myself.
I was wrong, but that was the year that an 11 win team missed the playoffs, luckily the 11 win Ravens made it that year. My point being is if Tom Brady was the greatest QB ever, Matt Cassel wouldn't have won double digit games that year. If Matt Cassel was that good of a backup, he would be doing better in Kansas City. It is the Patriots system and O line that makes QBs look so good, which isn't a bad thing. It is a team sport, but Tim Tebow would be a HOF QB in New England.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailgater
You can't really compare the two QBs even with the same position players the next year. Tom would be coming back from an injury, so that would be one issue (in reality it wasn't). But the play calling would be different with an untested backup vs. a SB winning QB also. My point is more along the lines any QB would look good in the Patriots O, much like D players look great with the Ravens in the past only to look flat with most other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD
Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever. Passed Joe Montana in career yards, and post season wins along with many other stats. Will eventually pass Montana in Superbowl wins too. Already has 5 superbowl appearances, with his 6th right around the corner.. Will make 6 in the last twelve years which is half. Add that to the 2007 season, when finally receiving weapons equal to those like Manning .. and 03, and 04 seasons winning those rings.. along with getting to the AFC Championship game with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney in addition to carrying a team to the SB without a great defense and yes.... I believe he is the greatest ever.. just ask Ray Lewis and Darelle Revis who both admitted themselves in the top 100th player in the NFL video..
Let's see how Tom plays for another team before we call him GOAT. Look at Cassel with the Chiefs, let's look at Montana with the Chiefs. If Brady was to play for any other team, I doubt he would be in the HOF QB conversation. Would Bret Favre be as good as he was if he stayed in Atlanta, would Matt Shaub be as good if he stayed Vick's backup one more year?.
This is my opinion, thats all. All opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one and they all stink.
The Patriots passing system relies heavily on option routes, where the receivers on any given pass play have the option of adjusting and running up to 3 different routes. It's the Erhardt-Perkins system.
This means both the QB and the receivers have to be great at reading defenses and both have to come to the same conclusion about which route to run or the QB and receiver will not be on the same page consistently enough which will lead to incompletions and interceptions.
Brady has had a historically high comp % + low INT for several years now.
This is because of how smart both he and his receivers are at reading defenses; how in synch they are with their reads. And since the Pats rely heavily on short passes, Brady has to be pinpoint accurate to allow the receivers to catch the ball in stride and pick up YAC--with all those short passes Brady shouldn't have so many 300 yard+ games and 4500 yard+ seasons, but he does because he is that accurate.
Brady's strengths as a QB: making quick and correct reads + accuracy.
Tebow's weaknesses as a QB: the above.
Brady is a perfect fit for the Erhardt-Perkins; it's a fallacy to believe that any QB, especially Tebow of all people, could have similar success in that system.
We beat the Patriots, but not by beating Brady.
We barely got any pressure on him.
What we did is beat their receivers.
Up.
(beat up their RBs too, lol)
And once Talib went down, his replacement couldn't press Boldin and he finally got "open" and that had a domino effect on the rest of their secondary. Until then our receivers struggled (once again) with the press.
Right now, THAT is our Achilles Heel: the press.
We don't/can't use it on defense (even though you'd think that Cary and Jimmy would be decent at it given their size & strength).
We don't/can't beat it on offense (against decent press corners anyway).
Torrey needs to watch film of Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, Joey Galloway, Derek Mason, etc. to see how they beat the press even though none of them were beasts (all 6 feet, 200 pounds like Torrey or smaller)
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Originally Posted by Critical Thinking
Pretty optimistic to think that Tom Brady will win 2 more Super Bowls. You realize that he's 35 now, and will be 36 next season? Almost every quarterback rapidly declines in their late 30's. You think that he has it in him to win 2 SB's in the next 3-4 years?
The Cheatriots are on the downslope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coastergenius
36 is when QBs generally start to noticeably decline. (Montana, Elway, Kelly, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coastergenius
Where art thou? Oh wait you're in some corner without a trophy to hold on to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical Thinking
I think he'll continue to perform at a high level, at least for one more season. Arm strength is not what it used to be though and makes me think that their passing schemes is predicated on spreading the ball to multiple receivers within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage with an occassional and I mean occassional deep ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74