Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people."
Chris Culliver wouldn't accept openly gay teammate.
Garrison Heast: "I don't want any faggots on my team."
I think it's safe to say it's necessary to draw attention to the issue until the public mindset is changed.
Likewise, the world didn't end when Jews started going to Harvard, or when Catholics and Protestants were allowed to intermarry. But it took people being out there in front of it, publicly and openly, for attitudes to begin changing. People didn't all just shrug their shoulders at once and say 'OK."
It shouldn't matter, but it does, because people who hate homosexuals make it matter. They make it matter by physically assaulting, threatening and generally treating them horribly. Homosexuals have been forced into hiding for centuries, and in many societies today. If it weren't for all of THAT, then no they wouldn't need to publicly "come out."
The fact that people feel like this is being "shoved in their faces" shows that those people prefer to keep it like it was -- they want their gays in the closet. The gays, however, are tired of staying there, and I don't blame them. If I had to hide my wife everywhere I went and not tell anyone I was married or go to a restaurant with her without worrying whether some skinhead asshole was going to break a bottle over my head, I'd get pretty fucking tired of it too. And at some point, I think people of like persuasion would be sorely tempted to get together and say you know what, screw this, we're not living like this anymore.
Pretty much what happens when socieities systematically marginalize groups of people, or worse. Is it any wonder that Israel, for example, defends itself so aggressively? When you put up with as much shit as they have, you kind of stop caring what other people think, and do what you need to do, to be who you are and not have to take other people's shit about it.
Did Jackie Robinson have a press conference and say I am going to be the first black baseball player in MLB and this is how it's going to be, deal with it?
And while there may be a certain number of people who are truly committed to their prejudices, there are also people who are just careless and have never taken much time to think about their prejudices. These people can and likely will change if a number of players come out gay in a highly publicized way and get a sufficient amount of support from the media, fans, and other players. But it often takes a sufficient amount of buzz or a striking enough event to wake someone like this up.
- people who are committed to their prejudices
- people who are prejudice only because they haven't taken the time to examine the value of such prejudice and are just doing what they are used to seeing others do.
People in the second group can change their minds, and when presented with enough evidence or sufficiently striking evidence that the world around them is changing, they will likely change as well. NFL players coming out and the resultant media attention is likely to hasten this process.
Group 1: Prejudice no matter what, can't have their mind changed
Group 2: Prejudice can have their mind changed, but how do you reach them
Group 3: Not prejudice don't need to reach them
Group 4: Doesn't care either way.
Group 2 can and may change their mind. But saying a "coming out party" is they way to do it, assumes that everyone in the second group will react the same to an event like this. My opinion is that the you would get just as many people in the second group and likely more, who will have a negative reaction to it.
You can't force societal changes on people they happen overtime. If you take the reigns on a horse and lead him to water you're much more likely to get him to drink. If you get behind it and push, it may not move, if it does you have no control over which way it goes.
I personally don't care if every guy playing in the NFL and every cheerleader on the sideline was gay. All I am saying, is I don't think this is the way to go about trying to get people to accept it. My opinion is that it doesn't need acceptance. Why, because if there is nothing wrong with it than live your life like there is nothing wrong with it, people will accept it over time.
The difference in this situation gay's have been repressed for a long time. I think in this situation it absolutely does require a big "Splash" type announcement. Once it happens, then I'd be much more supportive of your line of reasoning. But I think the splash is required to force initial acceptance. Not that I'm saying "everyone has to agree with being gay", just acceptance of "He's gay, doesn't change anything about his job".
Seriously, if you want change to happen don't force it on people. If I push you, you will in all likelihood push me back, right? That's all I am saying.
I was merely pointing at that this isn't true.Quote:
if anyone thinks that is going to change anyone's mind who currently is not very accepting of homosexuality, they're not being realistic.
I get your point, but I just disagree. I think a more drastic showing of people coming out and being supported by others will change more minds more quickly. As you noted above, we're reaching a tipping point with this as a nation. People are taking notice and joining in. If anything that validates what I've said here. People who were asleep in their prejudices or ignorant of the prejudices of other are now being jolted into action, causing change to happen more rapidly.
I am a HUGE advocate for GLB rights as well, and I can say with 100% honesty, I am a white, straight, American male with a wife, 2 kids, and no interest in men sexually. If Brendon was truly gay, I would think he would be the first one to step out and make it known, but given his love for his kids and wife, I'd tend to believe it's genuine that he's straight or bisexual.
Here's the thing. If a gay player simply acts the same as any straight player (ie Appears in public with his spouse or partner) they are by definition "coming out." There's nothing splashy or in your face about it except in the fact that they're defying an established norm.
Was Harbaugh coming out as straight when he kissed his wife after hoisting the Lombardi? No. But a gay man would have been.
Coming out is nothing more than acting the same way straight people get to.