Can we Leave Cam in San Diego?

**4G63** · 11-25-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

Cam is 9-2! We have the 3rd best OC in the league behind Atlanta and Houston.

It is amazing we ARE 9-2 with this high school offense. You just know there is so much this offense could do with a little creativity thrown in.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-25-2012, 07:21 PM

Bad decision by Flacco and not the only one, but he redeemed himself with some serious help from Rice, Boldin, Pitta et al

**Haloti92** · 11-25-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

To me, it looked like he called it to the other side. Maybe hoping the D would swarm the strong side.

Frankly, the OL blocked like shit...so, who knows if it would have worked to the strong side anyway.

The problem is that when he moved Leach over, they swarmed Leach's side, only in that case it was LEach's side minus the extra tackle. It was a clusterf*ck regardless, and you are right that the original play is no gimme considering the multiple times we have been stuffed in similar situations.

**wickedsolo** · 11-25-2012, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

The problem is that when he moved Leach over, they swarmed Leach's side, only in that case it was LEach's side minus the extra tackle. It was a clusterf*ck regardless, and you are right that the original play is no gimme considering the multiple times we have been stuffed in similar situations.

Yea, I mean...in that situation...why not a PA to Pitta or Bajema on a bleed out?

I don't get it. Or, why not call Flacco's number again? I mean, if you're going to forgo the points (which was dumb IMO) then at least go with the highest probability play, which in that position was either to trick them (PA pass) or QB sneak.

**purplepoe** · 11-25-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yea, I mean...in that situation...why not a PA to Pitta or Bajema on a bleed out?

I don't get it. Or, why not call Flacco's number again? I mean, if you're going to forgo the points (which was dumb IMO) then at least go with the highest probability play, which in that position was either to trick them (PA pass) or QB sneak.

How do you know the sneak wasn't called initiallyi?

Hell, I bet it was.

PP

**wickedsolo** · 11-25-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

How do you know the sneak wasn't called initiallyi?

Hell, I bet it was.

PP

Maybe it was. I honestly don't know.

However, considering that the audible moved Leach from one side to the other would suggest that they were intending on running it with Pierce regardless.

Again, I don't think it would matter anyway. This OL has had issues with short yardage blocking for a few seasons now. This is nothing new.

**purplepoe** · 11-25-2012, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Maybe it was. I honestly don't know.

However, considering that the audible moved Leach from one side to the other would suggest that they were intending on running it with Pierce regardless.

Again, I don't think it would matter anyway. This OL has had issues with short yardage blocking for a few seasons now. This is nothing new.

One thing is clear.

Flacco checked out of the called play into a play he wanted.

PP

**Ravens75** · 11-25-2012, 07:38 PM

Cam lacks creativity but until Harbaugh sees the light this is what we are going to get.

Harbaugh needs to be 'Dropped' (for those of you familiar with the movie Drop Squad you'll know what I am talking about.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-25-2012, 07:38 PM

Cam calls some of the dumbest short yardage plays.

Especially considering that he should know that our O-Line does not block well on those kind of plays.

Why don't we ever run a counter? Every D knows it's either up the middle or to the right on a stretch play.

**purplepoe** · 11-25-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

Cam calls some of the dumbest short yardage plays.

Especially considering that he should know that our O-Line does not block well on those kind of plays.

Why don't we ever run a counter? Every D knows it's either up the middle or to the right on a stretch play.

Cam Cam Cam.

This freakin OL gives ANY offensive co. all sorts of issues.

They can't get push for a 6' 6" QB to get a yd on 3rd down.

Then they get destroyed after said QB checks out of the called play.

You said our OL doesn't block well on "those kind of plays".

You mean plays that any competent OL should be able to block?

Give it a rest and start pointing some blame at the GD players.

PP

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-25-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

Cam Cam Cam.

This freakin OL gives ANY offensive co. all sorts of issues.

They can't get push for a 6' 6" QB to get a yd on 3rd down.

Then they get destroyed after said QB checks out of the called play.

You said our OL doesn't block well on "those kind of plays".

You mean plays that any competent OL should be able to block?

Give it a rest and start pointing some blame at the GD players.

PP

My point was that by running the same types of running plays constantly, our OC isn't helping our O-Line who struggle with blocking on short yardage plays.

Some variety would reduce the predictability, the other defense won't be able to load up on the right side like they did on that 4th and 1 to Pierce because they'll have to account for a counter or a trap to the left--but only if we actually ran it more than once every presidential administration.

**purplepoe** · 11-25-2012, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

My point was that by running the same types of running plays constantly, our OC isn't helping our O-Line who struggle with blocking on short yardage plays.

Some variety would reduce the predictability, the other defense won't be able to load up on the right side like they did on that 4th and 1 to Pierce because they'll have to account for a counter to the left--but only if we actually ran it more than once every presidential administration.

Sorry, but Flacco checked into the run to the right.

We'll never know what the initial play call was.

I get it. It all comes back to Cam.

Never fails.

PP

**Sua Sponte** · 11-25-2012, 09:16 PM

Let's start with this. The OL on the road does not play well, the DL knows the snap count it is obvious. Yanda taps, 1-mississippi snap, the D gets a great jump on the ball.
Joe struggles on the road as well, often over throwing easy passes.
As far as the 4th and short, I like Pierce in on short yardage, Rice has not done well with power plays at all. Joe switched sides and I don't blame him, I seen McKinnie about 5 seconds before the snap still asking Oher what he was doing/who was he blocking. McKinnie has whiffed a few times this year.

So take the lack of confidence in the Left side with McKinnie in and the fact that the D is all over the snap count, end result Pierce stuffed.

**iggyman555** · 11-25-2012, 09:19 PM

lol the cam defenders just wont give up

**Sua Sponte** · 11-25-2012, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

lol the cam defenders just wont give up

Yeah Really! I guess Joe checked into all of those 2nd and 10+ running plays as well and so many long developing pass plays with a bad snap count on the road is on Joe too. I'm not a Joe defender cause he did not play well early on. I'll tell you what surprised me is Torrey running short crossing routes that worked several times and some quick strikes up the seam. Almost looked like the O knew how to play on a few of those calls, but Cam managed to squander most of those plays by going back to his basic attack the sideline and leave Joe in the pocket forever with no one open for the quick pass.

**purplepoe** · 11-25-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

lol the cam defenders just wont give up

You mean the people who realize that there is more than one thing that creates issues on this offense?

PP

**chicagoravensfan** · 11-25-2012, 09:34 PM

We don't know right now if the problem is Cam, Flacco or other players. We'll never know what the problem is until something changes and it's a helluva lot easier to replace a coordinator than a QB and/or 10 other offensive starters. Cam may not be the problem but the Ravens need to see what Flacco does with another coordinator. The thing is we knew all of this in the offseason and Cam got extended anyway. Until some part of this dynamic changes, I can't see getting any different results.

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**bmore finest** · 11-25-2012, 10:07 PM

Either way, i"m gald it all worked out in the end. As Yanda said in training camp, Embrace the Grind!
Great road win for the Raven.. Let's get the north crown next week.

**bacchys** · 11-25-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by chicagoravensfan

We don't know right now if the problem is Cam, Flacco or other players. We'll never know what the problem is until something changes and it's a helluva lot easier to replace a coordinator than a QB and/or 10 other offensive starters. Cam may not be the problem but the Ravens need to see what Flacco does with another coordinator. The thing is we knew all of this in the offseason and Cam got extended anyway. Until some part of this dynamic changes, I can't see getting any different results.

Cam may not be the problem, but that doesn't mean someone else as OC wouldn't fix the problem. We need an offensive system and coordinator that is going to work with the players we have.