This made me so mad

**leachisabeast** · 11-27-2012, 12:48 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ant-be-trusted

Never liked Adam Shein, he seems to really dislike the Ravens. He is so off on these comments, just wow.

**pslholder96** · 11-27-2012, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ant-be-trusted

Never liked Adam Shein, he seems to really dislike the Ravens. He is so off on these comments, just wow.

Why get so worked up about something that has no impact on what the Ravens do on the field? Haters gonna hate. Just ignore and appreciate.

**ravenjoe** · 11-27-2012, 12:54 PM

"Flacco was average at best (completing 30 of 51 passes for 355 yards and one touchdown) in Sunday's squeaker of a win over the San Diego Chargers"

I totally disagree with this statement - where is he coming from based on the stats alone?! Not to mention the fact that Joe delivered time and again down the stretch when the Ravens needed to keep moving the chains. No, this guy's comments are way off base, imho!

**Paintballguy** · 11-27-2012, 12:55 PM

Personally, I love the haters. Keep hating and doubting the Ravens. It will just stoke the fire inside the players more.

**ravenjoe** · 11-27-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Haters gonna hate. Just ignore and appreciate.

Nice poetic phrase!!

**HKusp** · 11-27-2012, 01:00 PM

He says the Ravens defense isn't the same sans Ray Lewis and Webb. He's right, they actually have been better. It looks to me like h's just another one of those guys that watch a few highlights and then write a column about things he really has very little feel for. True that Flacco was ultra conservative most of the game, but when he had to be, he was money.

**Dirt1** · 11-27-2012, 01:01 PM

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

There's likely a reason that the super-savvy Ravens organization has seemed reluctant to give a new deal to Flacco, even though he's set to become an unrestricted free agent in 2013. He hasn't taken his game or his team to the next level.

The only reason Flacco has not been resigned is due to the amount of money he and his agent are asking for. The Ravens have openly stated that they are willing to pay Flacco handsomely to be their QB for many years to come but are apparantly not willing to pay him like a Top 5 QB. That said, Flacco is not an average QB. He is an above agerage QB, but just not the kind of difference maker that a Brees, Brady, Manning, or Rodgers are. So, when the Ravens front office signs Flacco to a long term deal, do they cease to be "super savvy"?

**JMUpurkfool** · 11-27-2012, 01:11 PM

If that was a Tom Brady stat line you would never hear it called "average at best".

**Justlovemybirds** · 11-27-2012, 01:12 PM

I try to ignore these things, I really do. I recognize that being stellar at home and bad on the road (up until the Chargers game) equals out to being average but this:

Flacco is not a difference-maker.

For you Schien

**Tyrian** · 11-27-2012, 01:17 PM

What does it matter? Writers are always going to write - even if a lot of it is nonsensical.

Plus, from February 4th onwards, Flacco can just go up to the critics and go:

'Lombardi, bro'

**JohnBKistler** · 11-27-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

"Flacco was average at best (completing 30 of 51 passes for 355 yards and one touchdown) in Sunday's squeaker of a win over the San Diego Chargers"

I totally disagree with this statement - where is he coming from based on the stats alone?! Not to mention the fact that Joe delivered time and again down the stretch when the Ravens needed to keep moving the chains. No, this guy's comments are way off base, imho!

At 355 yards, Flacco's performance is in the top 20 out of over 320 QB starts in the league this year.

The comment about the defense regressing just shows that he has done zero research to back up his pre-conceived notions.

Thanks for the laugh.

**GOTA** · 11-27-2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ant-be-trusted

Never liked Adam Shein, he seems to really dislike the Ravens. He is so off on these comments, just wow.

Schein does like the Ravens but he has always felt that Flacco is holding us back from a Super Bowl. He's been talking up Rice since the Rutgers days. He's always said great things about Ray and Reed. It's Flacco he has an issue with, not the Ravens.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-27-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

The comment about the defense regressing just shows that he has done zero research to back up is pre-conceived notions

Are you suggesting this defense hasn't regressed?

Going from the tops of the league last year to the near bottom is certainly regression. Not sure how you can fault him there.

**JohnBKistler** · 11-27-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Are you suggesting this defense hasn't regressed?

Going from the tops of the league last year to the near bottom is certainly regression. Not sure how you can fault him there.

I agree the Ravens defense is not as good as last year's. That is not what he said. Here was his quote:

The Ravens' defense has not been the same sans injured players Lardarius Webb and Ray Lewis.

Do you agree with that?

EDIT: And to be clear. I think the pass defense would be MUCH better with Webb playing. But I think with the return of Suggs, and Pees getting on the same page with his players and vice versa, that the overall defense has gotten better since the Dallas game (when Lewis and Webb got hurt).

**leachisabeast** · 11-27-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Are you suggesting this defense hasn't regressed?

Going from the tops of the league last year to the near bottom is certainly regression. Not sure how you can fault him there.

You obviously didn't read the article. He said since Webb and Ray have been out, when its completely the other way round.

**Paintballguy** · 11-27-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Are you suggesting this defense hasn't regressed?

Going from the tops of the league last year to the near bottom is certainly regression. Not sure how you can fault him there.

He specifically said after losing Ray and Webb. Not this year.

he Ravens' defense has not been the same sans injured players Lardarius Webb and Ray Lewis

**Tottenham Raven** · 11-27-2012, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=leachisabeast;524502]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ant-be-trusted

Never liked Adam Shein, he seems to really dislike the Ravens.

Surprising considering his wifes a Baltimore Gal and Ravens fan.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-27-2012, 01:27 PM

Just looking for a little clarification folks. Gees.

Thanks JBK.

**goldenelite28** · 11-27-2012, 01:32 PM

If anything Flacco has proven time and time again that we can trust him.
Any QB that can match Ben and Brady multiple times can be trusted to win the big games.

**B-more Ravor** · 11-27-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

"Flacco was average at best (completing 30 of 51 passes for 355 yards and one touchdown) in Sunday's squeaker of a win over the San Diego Chargers"

I totally disagree with this statement - where is he coming from based on the stats alone?! Not to mention the fact that Joe delivered time and again down the stretch when the Ravens needed to keep moving the chains. No, this guy's comments are way off base, imho!

Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool

If that was a Tom Brady stat line you would never hear it called "average at best".

Pretty much what I was talking about in the other thread. If that game played out exactly as it did for a QB like Ben or Brady or Rodgers or Brees, there would be no mention of "average" or that the QB didn't play well early, it would just be about the "miraculous" comback engineered by said QB.

But, with Flacco, it's different.