This is INSANITY

[landspeed]

Good Observation. Can't refute that but I have to ask why as a bengals fan are you so interested in what the ravens do?

Oh, so now Im not allowed to criticize my team or say that another team is better than them at something? In this case, passing the football with success?

Im a die hard ravens fan, fuck that. I go to multiple games a year, watch every single game, know just about every single stat of each of our players. When there is a flaw with this team, Im going to point it the fuck out.

Why is it that ravens fans are the only fans/people who see nothing wrong with this team? Why am I not allowed to point out that the 2nd year QB for the Bengals is playing better than Joe?

[Terpsfan82]

Oh, so now Im not allowed to criticize my team or say that another team is better than them at something? In this case, passing the football with success?

Im a die hard ravens fan, fuck that. I go to multiple games a year, watch every single game, know just about every single stat of each of our players. When there is a flaw with this team, Im going to point it the fuck out.

Why is it that ravens fans are the only fans/people who see nothing wrong with this team? Why am I not allowed to point out that the 2nd year QB for the Bengals is playing better than Joe?

[NCRAVEN]

You are COMPLETELY discounting everything Ive said here, with proof to back it up.

Youre ignoring when I said, "it is a team effort." And it is factual that the Bengals passing offense has done more for their team to win than ours has.

That's because at this point, I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make is.

It first started out we need to go no huddle, it was pointed out we did and it wasn't successful. You then changed to Dalton is better than Joe, so we'll be chasing them. It was pointed out they are chasing us because it's a team effort and good front offices put together good teams.

I'm not trying to argue or be a dick, I just don't know what you're point is.

Oh, so now Im not allowed to criticize my team or say that another team is better than them at something? In this case, passing the football with success?

Im a die hard ravens fan, fuck that. I go to multiple games a year, watch every single game, know just about every single stat of each of our players. When there is a flaw with this team, Im going to point it the fuck out.

Why is it that ravens fans are the only fans/people who see nothing wrong with this team? Why am I not allowed to point out that the 2nd year QB for the Bengals is playing better than Joe?

You can go through EVERY thread her and find where almost every poster and definitely ever REGULAR poster criticizes this team and talks about the flaws and where they can improve.

Simply using stats to say Dalton is playing better than Joe, doesn't fly with everyone. Some think Joe was better X year than Y year because of stats, but I think stats aside last year was better than the year before and this year he's better than last year. And either year I'd take him over Dalton, especially for this offense.

So criticize away, we all do.

[Coastergenius]

To address the OP:

I don't think that in the NFL teams really play down to the level of their competition. I think that people forget that every team is an "NFL caliber team" and that the teams are really a lot more evenly matched than they look. And plus, we're talking about individual games. In the MLB, if the Royals beat the Yankees, nobody bats an eye, because there are 162 games. But in the NFL, every game is amplified 10x, and after a loss the sky is falling, and you might not play that team again for a few years.

A team might be more talented and have great coaching. That's all well and good, but the other guys are paid just as much and have a job to do as well. They're not going to lay down so that you can get your win. There are no "easy wins" in the NFL anymore.

[pslholder96]

Oh, so now Im not allowed to criticize my team or say that another team is better than them at something? In this case, passing the football with success?

Im a die hard ravens fan, fuck that. I go to multiple games a year, watch every single game, know just about every single stat of each of our players. When there is a flaw with this team, Im going to point it the fuck out.

Why is it that ravens fans are the only fans/people who see nothing wrong with this team? Why am I not allowed to point out that the 2nd year QB for the Bengals is playing better than Joe?

LOL. Okay. Breathe now. You think I don't know that this team has problems? I have no problem with you criticizing this team and pointing out its flaws. That's what this board is about. I'm not attacking your message, I'm attacking the methodology you employ to make your point. That's all. So relax. No one here is questioning your fandom. This offense has problems. We all know it but to keep harping on someone else's second year stats as proof that we will be chasing them for years to come is completely stretching it.

[StingerNLG]

The Ravens aren't going to get anywhere near the Superbowl THIS season. I know that's a difficult concept for many of you to comprehend - but we are talking about THIS season.

If we have to play a game in either Houston or New England we will be run out of the stadium in short order - BECAUSE Cam will be playing his famous three and out offense - and he will be searching around for some of his 4th and 29 conversion plays.

The same Cam offense that got them within a dropped pass of the SuperBowl last year, right? Same offense? Just checking.

[srobert96]

Um, how can you not believe that we'll be chasing the bengals?

Andy Dalton has 23 touchdowns this year and will finish with over 30

Tell me the last time Joe threw for 30 touchdowns, let alone in his 2ND year.

We will be chasing the bengals unless changes are made. How can you not see that? They have a good defense with Geno Atkins who is a potential DPOY candidate. They have Vontaze Burfict who has been surprisingly good for them. They have Leon Hall. They have Ray Maualuga. They have another good pass rusher whos name is slipping my mind right now. They have a good O-Line and a solid running game.

How is that so hard to believe? Our pathetic offense wont be able to keep up with the bengals if we dont change our O-Philosophy.

As for whos calling the plays, I literally just wrote that Im basing it off of context clues. Pretty good context clues actually - Joe is clearly more in control when we play at home. He is in the shotgun more, we use our TE's, we use the middle of the field... When were on the road? Its literally this - Ray rice up the middle, comeback route to torrey smith/boldin, deep shot to one of our 3 receivers, and more vanilla ray rice runs RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE. That is until we get in the no huddle... then it starts to resemble our home offense.

You are right. Unfortunately that is the Harbaugh offensive philosophy and it is not going to change. It has been successful up to a certain point and Harbaugh thinks it can get the job done. It is frustrating to watch. I thought it was funny that Harbs wanted to turn the SD game in to an AFC north slug fest. If you look at it every other team is moving away from smash mouth offense except for the Ravens. The Steelers have not run it in years. Bengals are opening it up now that they got Dalton and Green.

[StingerNLG]

Remind me again how many games the Bengals are ahead of us in the division?

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[Haloti92]

LOL. Okay. Breathe now. You think I don't know that this team has problems? I have no problem with you criticizing this team and pointing out its flaws. That's what this board is about. I'm not attacking your message, I'm attacking the methodology you employ to make your point. That's all. So relax. No one here is questioning your fandom. This offense has problems. We all know it but to keep harping on someone else's second year stats as proof that we will be chasing them for years to come is completely stretching it.

You called him a Bengals fan and asked why he is interested in what the Ravens do. Now you are just pretending that you didn't post that while saying, "No one here is questioning your fandom."

LOL, indeed.

[RavensQB]

The same Cam offense that got them within a dropped pass of the SuperBowl last year, right? Same offense? Just checking.

Yup that same offense that should have KILLED the JAGS, Seattle, and whoeverelse it was. Titans?

The Playcalling is the not so much the problem It is the plays being used from the playbook. Example... Cam use the first 60 pages, Joe uses the last 60.

It seems that Joe pulls better playcalls from the book.

All great QB's at some point have basicly told the OC or the coach Im taking fucking control of this. Joe has yet to do so.

The best still is Boldin telling CAM that the middle is wide open. Cam responds.... "Really?!?!" WTF

[B-more Ravor]

You are COMPLETELY discounting everything Ive said here, with proof to back it up.
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I'm still waiting for any sort of "proof" to back up your assertion that Flacco is the one calling the successful plays (much less any plays) and that Cam isn't?!?!?

[landspeed]

I'm still waiting for any sort of "proof" to back up your assertion that Flacco is the one calling the successful plays (much less any plays) and that Cam isn't?!?!?

... I have already said that I cannot prove that, Im basing it off of very good context clues.

Remind me again how many games the Bengals are ahead of us in the division?

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You hear exactly what you want to hear. Cannot have a discussion with you.

The same Cam offense that got them within a dropped pass of the SuperBowl last year, right? Same offense? Just checking.

I like the part where you fail to acknowledge that the only reason we were in the championship game and didnt lose AT HOME, to the texans with a 3rd string 1st year QB was because of our DEFENSE. And Jacoby Jones.

The only reason our offense had a chance on that last drive of the AFCCG was because of the DEFENSE. Jimmy Smith in particular with his extremely acrobatic, semi-season saving interception.

[Dade]

landspeed the problem people are having with you is that your very bold prediction has too many variables to be even remotely accurate. Your of the opinoin that Dalton is having a better year than Flacco. I would agree Andy is out playing Joe is some areas and vice versa.

But for arguement's sake lets say your view is fact; Andy is far outplaying Joe in every measurable category. How does that equal The Ravens will be chasing the Bengals in the division for "years to come"? You have either completely disregarded or under valued every other aspect of buiding a successful franchise. Drafting players, acquiring talent via free agency, losing players to free agency and retirement, injuries, coaching staff and front office changes, are just a few variables that could impact the success or lack there of, of a franchise.

Another variable you have overlooked is, There are 5 games remaining this season. What if Joe goes on a run? Averages 350 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs, the rest of the way. While The Red Rifle takes a nose dive, averaging 200 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs, over the remaining 5 games. This may not be probable but it is possible. It would punch a hole in your prediction. Or Andy has a down year next season while Joe has a Peyton type year. Would the Ravens still be chasing the Bengals for years to come still?

Are you seeing the problem other posters are having yet?

Furthermore here are Joe's and Andy's stats for this season. Fairly similar. If anything I would argue Joe is having a down year, compared to Andy having an average year.

Joe Flacco:
http://pfref.com/pi/share/acMIz

Andy Dalton:
http://pfref.com/pi/share/JDZVv

[StingerNLG]

... I have already said that I cannot prove that, Im basing it off of very good context clues.



You hear exactly what you want to hear. Cannot have a discussion with you.





I like the part where you fail to acknowledge that the only reason we were in the championship game and didnt lose AT HOME, to the texans with a 3rd string 1st year QB was because of our DEFENSE. And Jacoby Jones.

The only reason our offense had a chance on that last drive of the AFCCG was because of the DEFENSE. Jimmy Smith in particular with his extremely acrobatic, semi-season saving interception.

Lol. No I read what you said. Just think its without merit or even anecdotal proof and Dade covered it all already.

So you are saying our offense had nothing to do with the Ravens record last year, or their playoff games. Ok, got it.

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[B-more Ravor]

... I have already said that I cannot prove that, Im basing it off of very good context clues.
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There are no context clues. Very few QBs in the NFL call their own plays (Peyton maybe). That's why, even in the no huddle, Flacco is always looking to the sideline and waiting for the play call to come it.

They don't turn the microphone in his helmet off because they are in the no huddle.

Heck, it wasn't that long ago that many Ravens fans thought that Flacco wasn't even allowed to audible! Now you think he's calling his own plays? Really?

[StingerNLG]

Actually, I want to know what insubordinate quarterback told his coach or offensive cordinator to go to hell and he's calling the plays himself. I'm pretty sure that even Peyton Manning was sent to the line with a couple of plays and he could pick 1 from that.

But there's no way he told his offensive cordinator to go sit down.

Same with Tom Brady. If you think for a minute that his offensive coordinator doesn't call the plays into him, that is unrealistic.

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[RavensQB]

There are no context clues. Very few QBs in the NFL call their own plays. That's why, even in the no huddle, Flacco is always looking to the sideline and waiting for the play call to come it.

They don't turn the microphone in his helmet off because they are in the no huddle.

Heck, it wasn't that long ago that many Ravens fans thought that Flacco wasn't even allowed to audible! Now you think he's calling his own plays? Really?

Ah I was waiting for that.... The mic is only on till 15 seconds left on the the playclock. There were multiple games last year and a few this year that CAM has taken so long to get the play into the huddle. Joe then is rushing up to the line with less then 8-10 seconds left on the play clock. By the time the line gets set they have 3-4 seconds to snap it. That gives a defense an advatage.

You have to look at a game and see the the complete diffrence when They are huddle and NO huddle. When at home games I have looked at CAM when we are running the no huddle and very rare do you see his IHOP card in front of his face. That is the first CLEAR sign that he CAM is not making the playcall.

[landspeed]

landspeed the problem people are having with you is that your very bold prediction has too many variables to be even reportly accurate. Your of the opinoin that Dalton is having a better year than Flacco. I would agree Andy is out playing Joe is some areas and vice versa.

But for arguement's sake lets say your view is fact; Andy is far outplaying Joe in every measurable category. How does that equal The Ravens will be chasing the Bengals in the division for "years to come"? You have either completely disregarded or under valued every other aspect of buiding a successful franchise. Drafting players, acquiring talent via free agency, losing players to free agency and retirement, injuries, coaching staff and front office changes, are just a few variables that could impact the success or lack there of, of a franchise.

Another variable you have overlooked is, There are 5 games remaining this season. What if Joe goes on a run? Averages 350 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs, the rest of the way. While The Red Rifle takes a nose dive, averaging 200 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs, over the remaining 5 games. This may not be probable but it is possible. It would punch a hole in your prediction. Or Andy has a down year next season while Joe has a Peyton type year. Would the Ravens still be chasing the Bengals for years to come still?

Are you seeing the problem other posters are having yet?

Furthermore here are Joe's and Andy's stats for this season. Fairly similar. If anything I would argue Joe is having a down year, compared to Andy having an average year.

Joe Flacco:
http://pfref.com/pi/share/acMIz

Andy Dalton:
http://pfref.com/pi/share/JDZVv

Almost every single category there, Dalton is better than Joe. TD %, Y/A, TDs, Rating, Comp %.
They arent very similar.

And for the 100th time, I have said that Joe IS a 30+ TD QB. I have said, in this thread multiple times, that yes we will be chasing the bengals... but youre Fox News-ing my comment, I said unless. something. changes.

And that something is the OC. Joe is also not having a down year, hes having a normal year. Hes right on pace to break last years unbreakable record of 20 touchdowns. Remarkable.

And how does Dalton out-playing Joe, not make you worried? Its only his 2nd year. And its not like this is a fluke year, he was pretty damn good last year as a rookie.

I am not "disregarding" our ability to build a franchise. YOU guys are disregarding the bengals ability to build a franchise. Im just going to throw a few names out there:

Andy Dalton
AJ Green
Geno Atkins
Carlos Dunlap
Leon Hall
Jermaine Gresham
Vontaze Burfict
Ray Maualuga
Dre Kirkpatrick(TBD, just started playing)

Unless something changes on offense, YES, the bengals will be better than us in a year or 2.

And just an FYI:
It wasnt until Carson Palmer left cinci or until Ben Roethlisberger started being injured for every single ravens game, that we started dominating the division.

[landspeed]

Simply using stats to say Dalton is playing better than Joe, doesn't fly with everyone. Some think Joe was better X year than Y year because of stats, but I think stats aside last year was better than the year before and this year he's better than last year. And either year I'd take him over Dalton, especially for this offense.

So criticize away, we all do.

Any strong-armed QB could do well in this offense. All it is, is go routes, outs and comebacks

[ActualSpamBot]

Which is why Cleo Lemon and Philip Rivers lit the world on fire under Cam in SD and Miami.