Ravens Near Mutiny / Yahoo Story

**Justlovemybirds** · 11-29-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Well, I hear in game and on SiriusXM NFL network which I listen to all the time differently, but as you say I don't wear the shades.

Well buy yourself some and enjoy a damn game every once in a while

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**pslholder96** · 11-29-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Well, I am a fan of the NFL. I watch a lot of teams, a lot of games not just Raven's games.

Negativity? Sure, I do not like John Harbaugh as a head coach. Playing not to lose is not the way the NFL is shaped and it has cost us in the PLAYOFFS.

Sky isn't falling at all. But because you are doing well, this is no time to stop pushing, demanding more, driving harder. That is what it takes to be a champion. All this winning adds up to no Super Bowl wins. Period. If John leaves here without a Lombardi, his tenure is a failure. Between the Patriots, the Steelers, and the Giants, there are over a half dozen titles, what do we have? Nothing.

Any given day? I agree whole heartily with that assertion, but reality is we have a piss poor offense on the road that can not be counted on to put up 30+ against the Texans, the Patriots, or the Broncos.

Well the ravens definately have the heart of a champion and are fully capable of playing like one. It won't be easy given our issues on the road. Let's not forget that while there are many working components in the quest for the Lombardi, luck is certainly one of them. All past superbowl champions had some element of luck during their superbowl season. Charges game I believe is a foreshadow of things to come.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-29-2012, 07:36 PM

this league is pretty damn competitive and any win is awesome. you can always whine about this and that but every year the SB is won by a team that defied the odds and/or got lucky depending on your view

**StingerNLG** · 11-29-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

I didn't hijack anything, I disagreed with the message and it's implications about the team coming together. You need a class in debate.

I'm quite fine with debate thank you. But when every thread turns into this loser mentality stuff, it starts to grate. We are close to clinching the damn division, going to the playoffs AGAIN, and have the receivers who can catch that last second pass to get us to the dance. But reading this forum, the team is 2-9, or just lucky, or destined to fail.

Its like the Randy Quaid character from Major League 2 when the Indians started winning again.

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**ActualSpamBot** · 11-29-2012, 07:40 PM

We have the most wins of any team since 2008. And yet because of a couple of drops in crucial moments we have no rings to show for it. Clearly we should fire everyone, dump Flacco, and trade six firsts for Andy Dalton and Marvin Lewis. You know, proven champions.

**Captain Silver** · 11-29-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds

Well buy yourself some and enjoy a damn game every once in a while

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Got it.

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Well the ravens definately have the heart of a champion and are fully capable of playing like one. It won't be easy given our issues on the road. Let's not forget that while there are many working components in the quest for the Lombardi, luck is certainly one of them. All past superbowl champions had some element of luck during their superbowl season. Charges game I believe is a foreshadow of things to come.

Very true.

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

this league is pretty damn competitive and any win is awesome. you can always whine about this and that but every year the SB is won by a team that defied the odds and/or got lucky depending on your view

Again, Tyree... Very much like 4th and 29. I just don't want to replace that Raven on our helmet with a shamrock.

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

I'm quite fine with debate thank you. But when every thread turns into this loser mentality stuff, it starts to grate. We are close to clinching the damn division, going to the playoffs AGAIN, and have the receivers who can catch that last second pass to get us to the dance. But reading this forum, the team is 2-9, or just lucky, or destined to fail.

Its like the Randy Quaid character from Major League 2 when the Indians started winning again.

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I feel you Stinger. We may have opposing views, and I do enjoy every game, grousing or not, and my hope is John Harbaugh makes me eat every word I ever typed about him, I get you your point. There are a few that would like us to lose every game and I can see how I get caught up in the mentality that I am one of them, but I am not.

No hate bros...

**admartian** · 11-29-2012, 07:50 PM

Why do we, as fans, who have absolutely 0 effect on what happens during preparations and on Sundays; have to worry about getting complacent?

**Paintballguy** · 11-29-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by admartian

Why do we, as fans, who have absolutely 0 effect on what happens during preparations and on Sundays; have to worry about getting complacent?

That always cracks me up when people say don't take such and such team for granted. What the hell does it matter if we take some team for granted? We aren't playing or coaching. lol

**Captain Silver** · 11-29-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by admartian

Why do we, as fans, who have absolutely 0 effect on what happens during preparations and on Sundays; have to worry about getting complacent?

I disagree. We are the 12th man. To say fans don't have an impact on the game is flat out wrong. Hence our home record.

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-29-2012, 08:08 PM

Fans at the game have an effect sure, but when is The Vault not rocking? We can afford to talk past teams here on a message board all we want.

**Paintballguy** · 11-29-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

I disagree. We are the 12th man. To say fans don't have an impact on the game is flat out wrong. Hence our home record.

Considering I haven't been to a home game this year, I disagree. Not every person that posts on this forum goes to games. Also, fans are crazy at the stadium regardless of who is playing.

**admartian** · 11-29-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

I disagree. We are the 12th man. To say fans don't have an impact on the game is flat out wrong. Hence our home record.

Way to spin it...

In terms of a tangible effect yes - but fans don't affect the outcome in terms of being complacent. We can be complacent, but as long as we're loud and buying tickets - then what else can be done?

Nothing.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-29-2012, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

Fans at the game have an effect sure, but when is The Vault not rocking? We can afford to talk past teams here on a message board all we want.

True, to a point. I think there have been games when the crowd is out of it (Arizona last year). Not saying it's because what a few people do on a message board. Just saying if we do it, it's likely other fans are too,

**Captain Silver** · 11-29-2012, 08:15 PM

Symantics. I am arguing two complete differing points now. We went from the plausability to having an accurate opinion on the team to having an effect on the game.

And you guys bitch at me for not staying on topic...

**admartian** · 11-29-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Symantics. I am arguing two complete differing points now. We went from the plausability to having an accurate opinion on the team to having an effect on the game.

And you guys bitch at me for not staying on topic...

No it's not semantics. Regardless of how loud we are or not; we have NO plausible effect on preparation or mindset of ANY team.

It's not really that Off topic either - your premise is based on, largely, fans on message boards drinking too much "kool aid" or wearing the "purple shades". Regardless, the point stands that there is NO effect on how the team prepares and plays whether we are being "realistic" or optimistic or whatever.

Thus, discussing the validity of the (now incorrect claim) of our effect on the team based on our mood or behaviour; is very much on topic.

**Captain Silver** · 11-29-2012, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by admartian

No it's not semantics. Regardless of how loud we are or not; we have NO plausible effect on preparation or mindset of ANY team.

It's not really that Off topic either - your premise is based on, largely, fans on message boards drinking too much "kool aid" or wearing the "purple shades". Regardless, the point stands that there is NO effect on how the team prepares and plays whether we are being "realistic" or optimistic or whatever.

Thus, discussing the validity of the (now incorrect claim) of our effect on the team based on our mood or behaviour; is very much on topic.

Then tell me why NFL teams pipe crowd noise into practices to simulate the noise of playing loud stadiums like Seattle and Baltimore???

And the Kool-Aid and Purple sunglasses is regarded at those who "hate the board" when differing opinions such as mine occur.

But it's fine, I'll stand up for what I believe even if I am alone.

**Haloti92** · 11-29-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Then tell me why NFL teams pipe crowd noise into practices to simulate the noise of playing loud stadiums like Seattle and Baltimore???

And the Kool-Aid and Purple sunglasses is regarded at those who "hate the board" when differing opinions such as mine occur.

But it's fine, I'll stand up for what I believe even if I am alone.

You're not alone, but others have just learned to ignore the misplaced indignation from the Kool-Aid Brigade.

The real question is why so many people get butthurt when people discuss the team's or player's flaws and/or areas where they are currently underperforming and need to improve to have a realistic shot at a title. That is the real question.

That these same people accuse others of being "miserable" is amusing to me. There is no one so miserable around here as a Brigade member being forced to read thoughtful criticism of their team.

Don't get me wrong, there are some posters who are delusionally negative and/or trolls, but the number of these cases/posts is a mere fraction of the instances where people are wrongly treated or labeled as such when simply offering very reasonable criticisms.

**admartian** · 11-29-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Then tell me why NFL teams pipe crowd noise into practices to simulate the noise of playing loud stadiums like Seattle and Baltimore???

And the Kool-Aid and Purple sunglasses is regarded at those who "hate the board" when differing opinions such as mine occur.

But it's fine, I'll stand up for what I believe even if I am alone.

I'll say it again - NO ONE IS ARGUING THE NOISE FACTOR! Stop trying to circumnavigate the argument by re-iterating it and martyring yourself.

It's not the noise issue, that's the issue.

The point is that if everyone thinks all hunky-dory/rose-tinted, then that affects the team. Which is untrue - nothing could be further than the truth.

Mindset of fans (sans noise) and however high fans may perceive the team to be (whether it's overrated or not) does not affect the team.

That's the last I'll say of that, and if no one understands this, then I'm afraid you may need learning assistance, or just have trouble in accepting the facts.

**mmi16** · 11-29-2012, 08:58 PM

This was the kind of moment that can either build a team or tear it apart!

I suspect the Jets have had a similar moment - and we see the results.

**Captain Silver** · 11-29-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by admartian

I'll say it again - NO ONE IS ARGUING THE NOISE FACTOR! Stop trying to circumnavigate the argument by re-iterating it and martyring yourself.

It's not the noise issue, that's the issue.

The point is that if everyone thinks all hunky-dory/rose-tinted, then that affects the team. Which is untrue - nothing could be further than the truth.

Mindset of fans (sans noise) and however high fans may perceive the team to be (whether it's overrated or not) does not affect the team.

That's the last I'll say of that, and if no one understands this, then I'm afraid you may need learning assistance, or just have trouble in accepting the facts.

Look you brought up the plausible effect of the fan, not me. You said "0" or ZERO. That means none, nil, nothing. You lost right there. Don't start inserting "except crowd noise". Stick by your zero or shut the hell up.

Unhappy fans make for a quiet stadium, go check out the Jags...

And I am no martyr. Martyrs lay down and die. I fight, weather in the gym, or on this board. Laying down and dying isn't even remotely in my makeup, so peddle that bullshit somewhere else.

Last, as for learning assistance, I NEVER SAID MY OPINION HAD ANY FUCKING EFFECT ON THE TEAM.