Ravens Near Mutiny / Yahoo Story

**leachisabeast** · 11-28-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Well, as the resident President of the Anti-Harbaugh League, it is good to see him and the team come together. Obviously I don't know all the players gripes, practice etcetera, but it shows me that the players likely have some of the same gripes I do about coach Harbaugh.

And for what it is worth, I hope I eat my words and see John hoist the Lombardi trophy, but all this doesn't translate into a title. The group hug is nice and all, but if we are on the road in the playoffs and the offense shits the bed like it has, this article, this thread, and all the fuzzy feelings mean shit.

LOL wasn't it you who was complaining about Harbaugh not giving Flacco the game ball last year, and now your gonna complain about "group hugs"?

Oh BTW, did you not see Flacco got the game ball after the Chargers game? hahahaha.

**Beau Petard** · 11-28-2012, 07:17 PM

Not saying there's a serious analogy here, but after I read the linked article and some of the phrases (e.g., "They now see a coach who treats his players like men and has their backs publicly..."), I start to get a sense of deja vu and Billick's run with the team to the Super Bowl. Obviously the team has a different make-up and personality/chemistry, and Billick inserted his ego and leadership of the team in his own manner, but a la the 2000-2001 Ravens, could we be watching a team of "destiny" march to a big W in Super Bowl XLVII in 2013 in New Orleans?

**leachisabeast** · 11-28-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Beau Petard

Not saying there's a serious analogy here, but after I read the linked article and some of the phrases (e.g., "They now see a coach who treats his players like men and has their backs publicly..."), I start to get a sense of deja vu and Billick's run with the team to the Super Bowl. Obviously the team has a different make-up and personality/chemistry, and Billick inserted his ego and leadership of the team in his own manner, but a la the 2000-2001 Ravens, could we be watching a team of "destiny" march to a big W in Super Bowl XLVII in 2013 in New Orleans?

Please don't attract the doomsday gloomers.

**wickedsolo** · 11-28-2012, 07:27 PM

I'm actually kind of glad that this happened. This team has a lot of talent, but a lot of the players were really failing to execute. They needed this as a way to basically call each other out.

Every single person from the most HOF worthy player to the UDFA barely hanging onto a roster spot needed called out.

**The Excellector** · 11-28-2012, 07:33 PM

In a way, by Harbaugh handling this so maturely, it puts the onus on the players to handle it the same way. If the players want to dish it, to a coach that's actually willing to take it, there is no reason for them to not take it as well. They can't just say that the coach is over authoritative, because he's actually listening and making changes.

**Paintballguy** · 11-28-2012, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

In a way, by Harbaugh handling this so maturely, it puts the onus on the players to handle it the same way. If the players want to dish it, to a coach that's actually willing to take it, there is no reason for them to not take it as well. They can't just say that the coach is over authoritative, because he's actually listening and making changes.

Agreed that's leadership 101 you don't tell someone what to do. Harbaugh is basically saying hey I'm not perfect and what do you think we need to change to the players. That's what I would want from any type of leader. Last thing anyone wants to hear is how you messed up and what you need to do.

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**B-more Ravor** · 11-28-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

Are you one of those fans who are waiting for this team to fall apart and say I told you so?

No, he's not. Not by a long shot. I don't agree with PP on this one, but he's most certainly not that kind of fan.

**ballhawk** · 11-28-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Well, as the resident President of the Anti-Harbaugh League, it is good to see him and the team come together. Obviously I don't know all the players gripes, practice etcetera, but it shows me that the players likely have some of the same gripes I do about coach Harbaugh.

And for what it is worth, I hope I eat my words and see John hoist the Lombardi trophy, but all this doesn't translate into a title. The group hug is nice and all, but if we are on the road in the playoffs and the offense shits the bed like it has, this article, this thread, and all the fuzzy feelings mean shit.

That was my first thought. Im glad the players and coaches settled their differences and we are winning. But i think its obvious that it was more than just taking issue with the padded practice and that there were deeper issues involved. Everybody is friends when the team is winning, but what happens if we get blown out by Manning and lose the #2 seed or get bounced from the playoffs again in heartbreaking fashion? Do the same issues come back to the surface and what are the ramifications of that?

**Beau Petard** · 11-28-2012, 08:52 PM

b-hawk--
Points well-taken.

FWIW, though, coaches coach, players play, etc. IMHO, Harbaugh sounds as if he's done the "right thing" with his response(s) in the team meeting, but he also has to be cognizant of the "don't let the inmates run the asylum" issue as well. If the Ravens do get blown out by Manning, a fair-minded look needs to be taken to determine if the coaches did their job or not, AND if th eplayers did theirs (or not). I honestly don't see the Ravens getting bounced from the playoffs, but IFF that awful scenario occurs, I suspect there will be some serious finger-pointing.

**landspeed** · 11-28-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

LOL wasn't it you who was complaining about Harbaugh not giving Flacco the game ball last year, and now your gonna complain about "group hugs"?

Oh BTW, did you not see Flacco got the game ball after the Chargers game? hahahaha.

He had a thought out post with a personal speculation. Then goes on to say that he hopes we DO win the superbowl, but like other people he has problems with this coaching staff. He finished it by saying something that we can all agree on that this offense, with the way it has played, will take us no where.

And you follow up with attacking him and nitpicking at little things he says? Just checking.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I'm actually kind of glad that this happened. This team has a lot of talent, but a lot of the players were really failing to execute. They needed this as a way to basically call each other out.

Every single person from the most HOF worthy player to the UDFA barely hanging onto a roster spot needed called out.

And, they respond by having 1 ok offensive outing and 2 very bad ones? Im guessing theyre still failing to "execute."

Yes, the issue with this offense is "execution." Right. Several different players, multiple years later and people are still going with "execution."

**Captain Silver** · 11-28-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

LOL wasn't it you who was complaining about Harbaugh not giving Flacco the game ball last year, and now your gonna complain about "group hugs"?

Oh BTW, did you not see Flacco got the game ball after the Chargers game? hahahaha.

No, my problem is giving a game ball to an inept offensive coordinator over a QB that engineered a Montana/Elway-esque 4th quarter win over the hated Steelers. I know you are related in mind to Harbaugh but really, I am stating obvious logic without purple sunglasses.

Furthermore, this nonsense that Harbaugh is forcing Cam to be conservative is laughable the way all former Cam QB's blossomed after he was out of their pictures. Hell Harbaugh admitted last year that he didn't attend offensive game plan meetings!

And I go on the record saying Ray Rice should get the game ball. 4th and forever??? Gimmie a break, if he goes down game over. Hell, I'd have given Tucker the ball before Flacco.

Originally Posted by ballhawk

That was my first thought. Im glad the players and coaches settled their differences and we are winning. But i think its obvious that it was more than just taking issue with the padded practice and that there were deeper issues involved. Everybody is friends when the team is winning, but what happens if we get blown out by Manning and lose the #2 seed or get bounced from the playoffs again in heartbreaking fashion? Do the same issues come back to the surface and what are the ramifications of that?

Exact-a-fuckingly.

**Justlovemybirds** · 11-28-2012, 09:11 PM

Winning cures all, that goes for the Ravens and any other team led by pretty much any other coach.

**landspeed** · 11-28-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

I've been saying this all year - the HC approves the gameplans and he wants to play low scoring possession games especially on the road. Can't knock him too much; it's working

New England - Arguably we won because of the replacement officials, but this is one I will take, the offense put up 31 points, you cannot argue that.

Cowboys - We literally gave them every chance to comeback, and they nearly did. They drove right down the field on us and scored. They then had a 2 point conversion. AND THEN THEY WON THE ONSIDE KICK. We won because of a missed ~40 yard field goal as time expired.

San Diego - We won because of 4th and 29. A complete fluke of a play. A great play by Ray Rice, but any professional football team 99.9999999% of the time will never let that happen.

Agree to disagree, but it is working based on pure luck. Not because of his "gameplan."

**Paintballguy** · 11-28-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

New England - Arguably we won because of the replacement officials, but this is one I will take, the offense put up 31 points, you cannot argue that.

Cowboys - We literally gave them every chance to comeback, and they nearly did. They drove right down the field on us and scored. They then had a 2 point conversion. AND THEN THEY WON THE ONSIDE KICK. We won because of a missed ~40 yard field goal as time expired.

San Diego - We won because of 4th and 29. A complete fluke of a play. A great play by Ray Rice, but any professional football team 99.9999999% of the time will never let that happen.

Agree to disagree, but it is working based on pure luck. Not because of his "gameplan."

Houston has barely won 2 games in ot against bad teams. Good teams find ways to get wins. It's not always pretty.

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**Captain Silver** · 11-28-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Houston has barely won 2 games in ot against bad teams. Good teams find ways to get wins. It's not always pretty.

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Teams rarely get that lucky in the playoffs. It takes a lot more offense or the greatest defense EVER to win the big one.

**bacchys** · 11-28-2012, 09:38 PM

What a great OP! Reaffirms my belief that Harbaugh was the best choice at the time, and still is the man for the job now.

Good teams build on adversity, and they find ways to win. This team looks like it is doing that. It's overcoming whatever statistical flaws it has and winning games. It's coming together instead of falling apart. The 2000 team did that during the five game touchdown drought. "Festivus" as a euphemism for "playoffs" became a rallying cry for the team and fans alike. At the time, Billick handled the personalities of the team just right, and this may be a sign that Harbaugh has a good understanding of what he needs to do to get the best out of this team.

**bacchys** · 11-28-2012, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

New England - Arguably we won because of the replacement officials, but this is one I will take, the offense put up 31 points, you cannot argue that.

Cowboys - We literally gave them every chance to comeback, and they nearly did. They drove right down the field on us and scored. They then had a 2 point conversion. AND THEN THEY WON THE ONSIDE KICK. We won because of a missed ~40 yard field goal as time expired.

San Diego - We won because of 4th and 29. A complete fluke of a play. A great play by Ray Rice, but any professional football team 99.9999999% of the time will never let that happen.

Agree to disagree, but it is working based on pure luck. Not because of his "gameplan."

Arguably we lost to Philly because of those same replacement refs, and that's even leaving out the bad call on Jones that took away the go-ahead touchdown. The offense stunk in that game because the scab refs allowed Iggles defenders to hold on and ride our receivers all the way down the field. Pees should have been telling our DB's to follow suit.

Yes, the Ravens have had luck. They've also made their own luck. Rice's effort made The Checkdown work. Flacco's cool head made it work, as did Boldin's block. Different parts of this team have stepped up in different games to get us the victory, just as each unit has had miscues and failures.

**Captain Silver** · 11-28-2012, 09:46 PM

Again, all this shit goes out the window when playoffs come. No one is scared of our offense when comes to town and rightfully so.

**landspeed** · 11-28-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Again, all this shit goes out the window when playoffs come. No one is scared of our offense when comes to town and rightfully so.

This year might be different if anyone has to come to baltimore to beat us

**Captain Silver** · 11-28-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

This year might be different if anyone has to come to baltimore to beat us

We aren't getting homefield. It will take nothing short of a miracle for the Raven's to be home. I don't even bother with the fantasy threads about seeding and running the table because it isn't happening.

All the teams that 'got hot' to win a Super Bowl had something other than the steaming pile of dogshit we have for a road offense. The Pack, the Giants, the took it to the oppenents. Us, we have horseshoes up our asses, leprichaun's on the take, 4 Leaf Clover Gardens, and O.J.'s defense team to get us road wins.

Sooner or later the luck runs out.