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  1. #49

    Re: What is Joe worth?



    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Fair enough...he also said Flacco is "consistently in the 15-20 range". Here are Flacco's ratings and where they rank that season:

    2008 82.8 16th
    2009 87.4 13th
    2010 93.6 6th
    2011 81.7 15th

    He's as likely to be rated 15-20 as he is to be rated higher. And 15-20 to me implies "below average", if even slightly; and that is not the case.
    Rankings somewhat depend on who you disqualify from the discussion. On ESPN for example they set the bar at a minimum of 250 attempts. In that case, Flacco finished 18th last year, with a rating of 80.9:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...1/seasontype/2

    The other years are:

    2010 - 93.6 - 7th
    2009 - 88.9 - 13th
    2008 - 80.3 - 22nd

    But I agree that Joe is not consistently limited to 15-20th by any stretch. But I also think he would have been better served (by the numbers) to say 10-20th, as the data still holds; really top 10 is a better "divider" according to the limited data. And of course winning the SB with a 15+ or even 20+ rating rank is not impossible as history shows.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 11-30-2012 at 02:59 PM.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    I hope that Ozzie knows what he's doing. IMO, we should have at least made it appear like we had a legitimate back-up ready to come in if signing Flacco wasn't a possibility. Take a real QB in the later rounds of the draft (sorry Taylor, somebody that can stand in the pocket and throw) or kept a wash-out former starter in the wings (like a Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson/Vince Young). We need to have some leverage, or Joe can pretty much ask for anything.

    It doesn't matter if he is infact a top 5 QB or not. The minute that we sit around and start talking about him being irreplaceable and can't imagine our future without him is the minute that we need to face that facts that he's going to get a top 5 contract.




  3. #51

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Rankings are for losers. Use your eyes. If Joe were in a WC offense, he'd have higher ratings.




  4. #52

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    $.02


    but he's gonna get paid
    I like it. But his going to get top 15 paid money, he's just average Joe.




  5. #53

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Rankings are for losers. Use your eyes. If Joe were in a WC offense, he'd have higher ratings.

    Except it was just shown that rankings are for the winners (of the SB).

    And check Alex Smith's rating. Rating measures efficiency, not just raw output. Which is why Joe's 2010 year was a good one.

    If Joe were on a worse team, WC offense or not he would have less wins, then you would have to choose another cliche. As for his stats in that case, who knows? Being asked to do more doesn't always help your rating, even if it might help your yards and TDs.




  6. #54

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by webbrick2007 View Post
    That seems to show a fairly strong correlation between high QB rating and playoff/SB success.

    Looking at it another way, here is the season QB rating of the SB winning QB's

    2012 Eli Manning 92.9
    2011 Aaron Rodgers 101.2
    2010 Drew Brees 109.6
    2009 Ben R. 80.1
    2008 Eli Manning 86.5
    2007 P. Manning 101.0
    2005 Tom Brady 92.6
    2004 Tom Brady 85.9
    2003 Brad Johnson 92.9
    2002 Tom Brady 86.5

    So if Joe Flacco and his present 87 rating were to win the Super Bowl he would have a higher rating than 4 of the past 10 winners.

    Interesting two of those would be a young Tom Brady... who although a superior rated QB has had difficulty getting back to the Super Bowl... perhaps because he now commands a large % of his teams cap and the NE talent (especially on defense) in no where near what it was 10 years ago?
    The problem with your data is that it only illustrates a correlation, not a causation (and not even a particularly strong correlation once subject to actual statistical scrutiny.)

    The implication that some may be drawing here is that high QB ratings cause Super Bowl wins. The data does not illustrate this, as it doesn't exclude the possibility that the inverse is possible--Super Bowl winning teams cause high QB ratings.




  7. #55

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Rankings are for losers. Use your eyes. If Joe were in a WC offense, he'd have higher ratings.
    Maybe. You'd be wasting his best skill, which is that strong arm.

    Maybe if you modified it like Green Bay has, but he doesn't seem to have Rodgers's ability to run around and evade the pass rush. He's not a statue, but he's not the scrambler Rodgers is (or at least hasn't demonstrated it).

    I don't have a problem with the Coryell as a base offense. The Chargers had prolific offenses with it even after Tomlinson left and Gates wasn't a dominant tight end anymore. This year is a down year, but it's not like the NFL has changed that much over the last five years. Cameron and company just need to upgrade to the Coryell 21st Century Edition....




  8. #56

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    The problem with your data is that it only illustrates a correlation, not a causation (and not even a particularly strong correlation once subject to actual statistical scrutiny.)

    The implication that some may be drawing here is that high QB ratings cause Super Bowl wins. The data does not illustrate this, as it doesn't exclude the possibility that the inverse is possible--Super Bowl winning teams cause high QB ratings.
    Except that the QB ratings are decided before the SuperBowl is won. If you are saying simply that good teams cause good QB ratings that is something entirely different and worth a discussion.




  9. #57

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Except that the QB ratings are decided before the SuperBowl is won. If you are saying simply that good teams cause good QB ratings that is something entirely different and worth a discussion.
    Well, yes, I AM aware of that... and yes, that is what I am saying.




  10. #58

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Teams win rings.

    What is top 5 money now won't be in the out years. I trust Ozzie will cut a deal with Joe that won't break the team and will keep him happily in the fold.




  11. #59

    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Well, yes, I AM aware of that... and yes, that is what I am saying.
    Ok, but is it true?




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by webbrick2007 View Post
    So tired of hearing how Joe Flacco is responsible for the Ravens winning %
    The fact is that Joe has been consitently ranked in the 15-20 range (based on QB rating).
    He has been bad on the road, and bad in the majority of the Ravens playoff games.
    We can get to the playoffs with Joe, but I don't think he'll ever win the SB

    and the bottom line is that as he takes a bigger chunk of the salary cap the talent around him will decline... and I think the Ravens will have trouble maintaining their recent success.

    He (and the koolaid drinking fan base) needs to realize that he is not an elite QB, and if he negotiates an elite salary the Ravens will not be able to keep the talent around him that he needs to win
    I think he gets a 100 mil +, 5 year deal that puts him in the same company with some of the top QB's in the league. I hope it's in Baltimore, but I promise you he will get it somewhere. Joe may not be the flashy, pretty boy media darling, but he knows how to win games. He can look like shit for 50 minutes and still find a way to make that big play to win the game in the 4th qtr.

    Joe played his ass off in the AFCC game last year, and did everything that a great QB does to win big games like that. He outplayed the great Tom Brady for 4 qtrs. If not for a dropped pass in the EZ and a missed kick, the Ravens may be current champions.
    "Screw it, let's ride"!




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