Roethlisberger Sucks

**micadrz400** · 12-01-2012, 10:14 AM

Some people must be smoking there lunch.

This a charitable foundation, no different than any other athletes foundation. It is run by a professional company that manages charities. In reading the eligibility requirements. Looks like a way to drum up fans for the Stillers.

"ELIGIBILITY: K-9 units of police and fire departments in Pittsburgh, PA and in the city of each regular season away game for the Steelers in the 2012-13 season are eligible. The 2012 cycle will also award grants to two cities anywhere in the U.S. that would not otherwise be eligible (must be non-NFL market cities) if the Steelers go to the playoffs."

http://www.givingback.org/downloads/RFP_2012_BRF.pdf

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 12-01-2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

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He might be a dickhead when drunk, but I doubt he actually raped anyone. I am putting my neck on the line here as a Ravens fan.

Dude, I know you are British and I actually enjoy your posts on here. But we just had us an election over here in the colonies where one of our political parties shot itself in the foot over comments made by 2 Senate candidates regarding the "legitimacy", etc. of rape.

No woman wants to be RAPED, even in a post-"50 Shades of Grey" world. Neither does any woman relish the ordeal faced by the plaintiff in a rape case (defense attorneys publically go over and after their lifestyle/sexual history like starving dogs - that's what they're paid to do). This is why many rape plaintiffs drop charges. Ben most likely had charges dropped in the GA case (and others I think, I'm no expert on Ben's off-field history) for precisely this reason. No woman would make even the initial accusation unless they experienced other than fully consensual sexual contact.
Ben used his status to attract female attention and then behaved in ways that were not perceived by his accusers as fully consensual. The GA case w/ the drunk college kid I find particularly egregious, much as I found Bill Clinton and Paula Jones or Monica L. Pick on someone your own size, boys!!

I don't doubt that Ben behaved at least boorishly and quite likely criminally in his sexual assault/rape incidents. He has a history of being an asshole when out in public. It has permanently affected my perception of him and the desirability of his obvious football talents.

The thing w/ police dogs he has been doing for a while in every community in which he plays, and good for him.
It is a worthy gesture even considering the obvious p.r. motivations that in part motivate it.

I'm glad I won't have to watch him tomorrow from Sec 527, for any number of reasons.

Sorry, guy, but the brother, husband, and father in me had to pipe up. GO RAVENS and peace out.

**RavenusMaximus** · 12-01-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

I disagree leach. When one considers the utterly abysmal percentage of rape cases the police are able to even charge someone over, the well publicized impropriety in the investigation by the police of both cases, and compound that by the well known difficulty of prosecuting a wealthy celebrity for just about ANY crime, I think his lack of charges is fairly meaningless and that there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire.

I think he's a rapist, at best he's sexually aggressive in a way that I find incredibly unethical. If he were a Raven I would go back to cheering for the Niners like I did before 1996 until he left town, and maybe longer considering what it would mean to this organizations ethics to keep a person like that on the team, just like I vowed to do when there were rumors swirling that the Ravens were interested in Michael Vick.

There are some athletes who's failings as people override my ability to see past them and continue to cheer for the laundry.

I feel the same way. In fact there are a few Ravens that I stopped rooting for after certain facts came out about them. No need to mention names. Just think of DUI's and domestic assault and you'll know which guys I'm talking about.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-01-2012, 08:05 PM

/agrees with thread title

**wickedsolo** · 12-01-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by RavenusMaximus

I feel the same way. In fact there are a few Ravens that I stopped rooting for after certain facts came out about them. No need to mention names. Just think of DUI's and domestic assault and you'll know which guys I'm talking about.

Albert McClellan?

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**Irish Raven** · 12-01-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by RavenusMaximus

I feel the same way. In fact there are a few Ravens that I stopped rooting for after certain facts came out about them. No need to mention names. Just think of DUI's and domestic assault and you'll know which guys I'm talking about.

Sergio Kindle?

Involved in DUI's, few incidents in college and sued over unpaid loans

A troubled soul. Or maybe just ridiculously immature

**AirFlacco** · 12-01-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by lowrider

He can't play this week so he's tryin' to kill us with kindness. lol

It's called reverse psychology.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 12-02-2012, 03:36 AM

**darb72** · 12-02-2012, 04:52 AM

Ya know, after seeing that pic I'd avoid public restrooms for a while if I were Joe.

**Paintballguy** · 12-02-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

I disagree leach. When one considers the utterly abysmal percentage of rape cases the police are able to even charge someone over, the well publicized impropriety in the investigation by the police of both cases, and compound that by the well known difficulty of prosecuting a wealthy celebrity for just about ANY crime, I think his lack of charges is fairly meaningless and that there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire.

I think he's a rapist, at best he's sexually aggressive in a way that I find incredibly unethical. If he were a Raven I would go back to cheering for the Niners like I did before 1996 until he left town, and maybe longer considering what it would mean to this organizations ethics to keep a person like that on the team, just like I vowed to do when there were rumors swirling that the Ravens were interested in Michael Vick.

There are some athletes who's failings as people override my ability to see past them and continue to cheer for the laundry.

It does go both ways though. Rich athletes are a prime target for women to get with then file a false rape claim in attempt to get a settlement. There are websites for women to track down and talk about pro athletes. IE, http://www.balleralert.com.

**Ravens75** · 12-02-2012, 11:35 AM

Jason LaCanfora is reporting on CBS that Ben had no restrictions in practice this week and that Tomlin called him into his office on Friday to say that he needed to really practice or he'd rule him out.

He was ruled out on Friday.

Teammates are privately frustrated with Ben not making more of an effort to play.

This could really fire up Pitt or they could fold.

Stay tuned

**Paintballguy** · 12-02-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

Jason LaCanfora is reporting on CBS that Ben had no restrictions in practice this week and that Tomlin called him into his office on Friday to say that he needed to really practice or he'd rule him out.

He was ruled out on Friday.

Teammates are privately frustrated with Ben not making more of an effort to play.

This could really fire up Pitt or they could fold.

Stay tuned

Interesting

**bacchys** · 12-02-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

No woman wants to be RAPED, even in a post-"50 Shades of Grey" world. Neither does any woman relish the ordeal faced by the plaintiff in a rape case (defense attorneys publically go over and after their lifestyle/sexual history like starving dogs - that's what they're paid to do). This is why many rape plaintiffs drop charges. Ben most likely had charges dropped in the GA case (and others I think, I'm no expert on Ben's off-field history) for precisely this reason. No woman would make even the initial accusation unless they experienced other than fully consensual sexual contact.
Ben used his status to attract female attention and then behaved in ways that were not perceived by his accusers as fully consensual. The GA case w/ the drunk college kid I find particularly egregious, much as I found Bill Clinton and Paula Jones or Monica L. Pick on someone your own size, boys!! :

Your "no woman" statement is overly broad. Crystal Mangum (Duke LAX) lied. There's a man still sitting in prison in VA after his accuser admitted she lied because VA has a "21 day" rule that doesn't allow a trial judge to consider evidence not presented within 21 days of conviction except for DNA. Lamar Owens's accuser (Naval Academy) probably didn't know what happened that night: she was extremely drunk.

Most states, perhaps all, have laws which restrict the ability of defense attorneys to go after an alleged rape victim's past, sexual or otherwise. The Duke LAX defenders were denied using Mangum's previous psychiatric problems- including a previous dubious allegation of being raped- in pretrial hearings, and would have been denied had it gone to trial.

I don't know if Roethlisberger is a rapist/sexual offender or not. As a Ravens fan, I laugh at "Rapistberge," but that's based on my fan bias, not on any evidence which shows even to a preponderance of the evidence that he warrants the label.

**Tyrian** · 12-02-2012, 11:52 AM

To give you your link: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...y-chose-not-to

Well, he did say he hates playing the Ravens... Heh heh.

**Paintballguy** · 12-02-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

No woman wants to be RAPED, even in a post-"50 Shades of Grey" world.

Where is your proof on that? I have proof that says otherwise.

From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of women's rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.

For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. "The Nature of Women's Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents," Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...t-do-they-mean

**ballhawk** · 12-02-2012, 02:01 PM

The d-bag is playing under a $100mil contract. Giving up a few g's for a dog is like one of us dropping a dollar in a salvation army cup. Sorry if im not ready to crown him mr philanthropist of the year.