Fire cam

[wickedsolo]

It's truly amazing to me that a bunch of guys (fans) on the internet can go out and research these numbers, film, etc. and lay out factual proof that what Cam is doing (rather attempting to do) completely goes against the grain of our players' talent and skills, not to mention the high risk low percentage results that come with what he's trying to do.

Couple that with your best offensive play maker being forgotten about from time to time and a struggling (and injured) defense that you want to keep off the field as much as possible.

How in the hell can a bunch of arm chair QBs see and understand what's wrong, but the people getting paid big bucks to figure this stuff out and implement corrections can't?

Earlier today Davis & Norris had Keion Carpenter on for an interview and were asking him about what he thought about what is taking place here.
As a former NFL DB he said playing against this offense is by far the easiest to defend.
Very predictable with no deception.
Easy to play off the line because the film shows you everything including tendencies which in his eyes we have way too many that occur continually with little wavering.
He said that if he can see it just by watching some Ravens games here and there when he gets them on TV down in Atlanta, then he damn sure knows every coach and player having to game plan against them sees it.

Brilliant!!!

Pretty unreal, huh?

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[rharris1986]

Au contrare:

We had other draft choices that year - and we had other draft choices for the next year that could have been traded in order to move up. I grant you its not something we typically do - but we could have done it. Instead we went out and drafted Kindle and you see what that got us.

Get a grip man. We had no ammo to move up as a result of the Boldin trade.

The only talent-based misjudgment that draft was taking Dickson over Hernandez and Graham.

[Sua Sponte]

Let's all pitch in some money for a bill board outside the gates at the castle "insert picture of Cam; with a three chant; FIRE CAM!!! FIRE CAM!!! FIRE CAM!!!. Maybe then John will see that some fans are ticked off, but he would probably just laugh and say hah hah hah that sure is a funny joke.

[Thyrl]

When Cameron was in San Diego it seemed that he used only the middle of the field, never the edges. Now in Baltimore it seems that he only uses the edges and never the middle.

When push comes to shove (the Chargers and Browns games come to mind) we've seen the Ravens use the middle of the field and do it successfully. That suggests to me that not only are those plays in the playbook but also that they work on them.

Cam calls the plays but Harbaugh dictates the philosophy. As fans clamor for Cam's ouster and Harbaugh continues to "protect" him, at what point might we guess that Cam's plays are a result of Harbaugh's philosophy? If Harbaugh doesn't see the need to "fix" it, what does that say about his culpability in the issues that we naturally associate with Cam?

A new coordinator charged with the same brand of conservatism would likely get the same result...right?

[londonraven]

I would HATE to think the cam and john just absent mindedly didn't think to 'open the game up a bit' like they told us they did in San Diego.

But I think that its probably true : (

[Ravenswintitle]

When Cameron was in San Diego it seemed that he used only the middle of the field, never the edges. Now in Baltimore it seems that he only uses the edges and never the middle.

When push comes to shove (the Chargers and Browns games come to mind) we've seen the Ravens use the middle of the field and do it successfully. That suggests to me that not only are those plays in the playbook but also that they work on them.

Cam calls the plays but Harbaugh dictates the philosophy. As fans clamor for Cam's ouster and Harbaugh continues to "protect" him, at what point might we guess that Cam's plays are a result of Harbaugh's philosophy? If Harbaugh doesn't see the need to "fix" it, what does that say about his culpability in the issues that we naturally associate with Cam?

A new coordinator charged with the same brand of conservatism would likely get the same result...right?

exactly right. a fish stinks from the head

[BmoreBrawla]

It's truly amazing to me that a bunch of guys (fans) on the internet can go out and research these numbers, film, etc. and lay out factual proof that what Cam is doing (rather attempting to do) completely goes against the grain of our players' talent and skills, not to mention the high risk low percentage results that come with what he's trying to do.

Couple that with your best offensive play maker being forgotten about from time to time and a struggling (and injured) defense that you want to keep off the field as much as possible.

How in the hell can a bunch of arm chair QBs see and understand what's wrong, but the people getting paid big bucks to figure this stuff out and implement corrections can't?

Earlier today Davis & Norris had Keion Carpenter on for an interview and were asking him about what he thought about what is taking place here.
As a former NFL DB he said playing against this offense is by far the easiest to defend.
Very predictable with no deception.
Easy to play off the line because the film shows you everything including tendencies which in his eyes we have way too many that occur continually with little wavering.
He said that if he can see it just by watching some Ravens games here and there when he gets them on TV down in Atlanta, then he damn sure knows every coach and player having to game plan against them sees it.

Brilliant!!!

Its more amazing that you heard that on 105.7. What a bunch of nuthuggers they are on that station.

[RavensQB]

exactly right. a fish stinks from the head

OMG RICKY PROEHL. But I Agree with you. Ricky could never be as good as he was in CAM's offense.


I may battle with you but Both are the problem. Cam is the offender and Harbs continues to let it happen.

But this last PC... you could see Harbs is getting tired of defending.

[Sua Sponte]

The Baltimore Ravens' offense should be better -- I think this every season, and it comes back to coaching. It's surprising Cameron has stayed there so long.
By Gregg Rosenthal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...nator-rankings

I guess it's not just the fans. "I'm surprised he has stayed there so long".

I just don't see how the FO justifies his employment.

[Jsmoove]

everybody in world knows this shit by now, this redskins game is going to be interesting, I have a feeling the wheels are rattling and I can see major implosion if we don't get a win.

[Paintballguy]

everybody in world knows this shit by now, this redskins game is going to be interesting, I have a feeling the wheels are rattling and I can see major implosion if we don't get a win.

If the offense shits the bed Sunday, Cameron should be fired.

[landspeed]

If the offense shits the bed Sunday, Cameron should be fired.

Absolutely, on the spot.

Get your own ride back to the castle to clean out your office.

[landspeed]

Let's see! Mmmmmmmm.....!

Dickson's faster but can't catch

Pitta's slower but can catch

I wonder which guy I'd rather have? Seems like a big dilemma to me!

Dickson doesnt seem to have those drop issues this year...

Just saying, just because someone messes up in his sophmore year, doesnt mean he should never play again.

See Martellus Bennett.

[Sirdowski]

Dickson doesnt seem to have those drop issues this year...

Just saying, just because someone messes up in his sophmore year, doesnt mean he should never play again.

See Martellus Bennett.

Yea. He's definitely had those drop issues this year, that is, when he's on the field.

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[Sua Sponte]

Let's take a quick look at Cam through the years. I'm not usually a big stats guy because it doesn't tell the whole story.
I gathered some notes of Cam in the lat 10-11 years... For Passing TD's average was 22-25 and never over 28...

2002 SD: O Rank 16th (yds) 20th (PT's); Passing 3188; Rushing 2137, 19 (TD's)
2003 SD: O Rank 14th (yds) 16th (PT's); Passing 3021; Rushing 2146, 16 (TD's)
2004 SD: O Rank 10th (yds) 3rd (PT's); Passing 3357; Rushing 2185, 24 (TD's)
2005 SD: O Rank 10th (yds) 5th (PT's); Passing 3495; Rushing 2072, 22 (TD's)
2006 SD: O Rank 4th (yds) 1st (PT's); Passing 3262; Rushing 2578, 32 (TD's)

2007 Miami HC who really cares 1-15 ( Beat us though)

2008 BR: O Rank 18th (yds) 11th (PT's); Passing 2808; Rushing 2376, 16 (TD's)
2009 BR: O Rank 9th (yds) 13th (PT's); Passing 3419; Rushing 2200 22 (TD's)
2010 BR: O Rank 16th (yds) 22nd (PT's); Passing 3335; Rushing 1831 11 (TD's)
2011 BR: O Rank 12th (yds) 15th (PT's); Passing 3423; Rushing 1996 15 (TD's)

So looking at the above stats, Cam is consistently mediocre with a few good years that were because of the run and good defense under Wade Phillips. When averaging over 2000 (yds) and 22 TD's rushing in a season his Offenses seem to be decent, but who wouldn't benefit from LT in his prime, it is easy to run the ball with a Hall of Fame RB humping the rock with a sledge hammer leading the way (Lorenzo Neal).
His offenses never seem to pass for over 3500 (yds) or 25 (TD's), which is plenty if you are rushing for over 2000 and 25 TD's. Either way you can go up and down the field all day, but if you can't get into the endzone or maintain some momentum than it effects the entire game, constant 3 and outs will not get you a W.

[Rxdoxx]

I'm reading the same bullsh*t I heard a year ago after the Seattle game Ray (5-27) and Ricky Williams (3-8). Of course David Reed had 1 for 16yds and Torrey also had 1 for 16yds. When he doesn't know what to do with the running game, he calls an end around and did 2 of them in that game.
I heard it last year, I'm hearing it again this year, and we will hear it next year if Malcolm stays.

He is good at what he does, he is terrible at in game adjusting, and he admits fault when the firing squad appears with a blindfold. I'm tired, I'm very tired moving toward camapathy which is surprisingly similar to angelosapathy.

[Captain Silver]

He is good at what he does, he is terrible at in game adjusting, and he admits fault when the firing squad appears with a blindfold. I'm tired, I'm very tired moving toward camapathy which is surprisingly similar to angelosapathy.

One reason I am a fan of the NFL in general and know what is going on with other teams. The Raven's can only be counted on for so much. With this head coach and his choices of coaches and coordinators, it is only a matter of time before at some point they shit the bed and waste a team with huge talent.

Long as the Steeler's or Patriot's don't win it all, I can find comfort in that. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing Peyton taking on Eli in the Super Bowl and winning another ring.

[Kevlar]

Let's take a quick look at Cam through the years. I'm not usually a big stats guy because it doesn't tell the whole story.
I gathered some notes of Cam in the lat 10-11 years... For Passing TD's average was 22-25 and never over 28...

2002 SD: O Rank 16th (yds) 20th (PT's); Passing 3188; Rushing 2137, 19 (TD's)
2003 SD: O Rank 14th (yds) 16th (PT's); Passing 3021; Rushing 2146, 16 (TD's)
2004 SD: O Rank 10th (yds) 3rd (PT's); Passing 3357; Rushing 2185, 24 (TD's)
2005 SD: O Rank 10th (yds) 5th (PT's); Passing 3495; Rushing 2072, 22 (TD's)
2006 SD: O Rank 4th (yds) 1st (PT's); Passing 3262; Rushing 2578, 32 (TD's)

2007 Miami HC who really cares 1-15 ( Beat us though)

2008 BR: O Rank 18th (yds) 11th (PT's); Passing 2808; Rushing 2376, 16 (TD's)
2009 BR: O Rank 9th (yds) 13th (PT's); Passing 3419; Rushing 2200 22 (TD's)
2010 BR: O Rank 16th (yds) 22nd (PT's); Passing 3335; Rushing 1831 11 (TD's)
2011 BR: O Rank 12th (yds) 15th (PT's); Passing 3423; Rushing 1996 15 (TD's)

So looking at the above stats, Cam is consistently mediocre with a few good years that were because of the run and good defense under Wade Phillips. When averaging over 2000 (yds) and 22 TD's rushing in a season his Offenses seem to be decent, but who wouldn't benefit from LT in his prime, it is easy to run the ball with a Hall of Fame RB humping the rock with a sledge hammer leading the way (Lorenzo Neal).
His offenses never seem to pass for over 3500 (yds) or 25 (TD's), which is plenty if you are rushing for over 2000 and 25 TD's. Either way you can go up and down the field all day, but if you can't get into the endzone or maintain some momentum than it effects the entire game, constant 3 and outs will not get you a W.

Take what Cam did in SD with a grain of salt. That was Shottenheimer's offense, not Cams.

[Jsmoove]

Take what Cam did in SD with a grain of salt. That was Shottenheimer's offense, not Cams.

i said that earlier.

[RavensRule21215]

Take what Cam did in SD with a grain of salt. That was Shottenheimer's offense, not Cams.

I dunno...it's pretty hard to take 5 years of an OC's career and just ignore it.