Fire cam

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Anyone who's been watching this team knew they weren't going to throw over the middle in this game. Harbaugh doesn't take risks--& in his desk dictionary next to the word "risk" is a picture of Polamalu picking off a Flacco pass.

Which is funny because that guy was pretty much non existent.

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**houstonravensfan** · 12-02-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Yeah, you know what. You're right.

I really hated how Boldin ... Er ... Cam dropped four passes tonight.

Or how Cam got torched by Harrison on the strip fumble.

Or how Cam had all those passes sail over Torrey's head.

Screw reality because its much more fun to blame a guy for things that aren't his fault, right?

You're being way too easy on Cam: he also produced a miserable pass rush, gave the Steelers the middle of the field uncontested, and looked like a boy playing against a man against the Steeler RBs.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-02-2012, 08:11 PM

Cam gave up 300 yards to Charlie B-atch, fire his ass

**HoustonRaven** · 12-02-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Are you suggesting he called a winning gameplan then? I sat higher up than you, so maybe it's my "Madden Cam" I have up in the steerage section. But I didn't see much in the way of putting receivers in positions to be very open.

Execution comes from gameplanning. And even I have now had enough of the gameplanning.

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.

I'm saying there were dropped passes, sailed balls and crapy blocking, effecting the running game and caused a Flacco fumble.

Those three issues are execution.

That's not an endorsement of Cam. It doesn't change my mind he needs to go.

What today's game tells me is that this game was an execution issue, not a Cam issue.

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Cam gave up 300 yards to Charlie B-atch, fire his ass

Very very very valid point.

Should also be emailed to Bisciotti.

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**HoustonRaven** · 12-02-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

You're being way too easy on Cam: he also produced a miserable pass rush, gave the Steelers the middle of the field uncontested, and looked like a boy playing against a man against the Steeler RBs.

Yeah, sorry about that.

Duly noted.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-02-2012, 08:16 PM

Srry but anyone defending Cam and that playcalling needs to stop posting.

**StingerNLG** · 12-02-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

Don't keep hammering the sqare peg in the round hole!! make adjustments call plays to get Joe in the rhythm take what the defense gives, fuck!! cleveland did!!! You see Joe struggling, the run game has been effective keep you hammer with Rice and Pierce, then continue to roll out and bootleg!!!

That boot to Leach worked both times they used it tonight.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the players didn't execute HR. Going back to the TV replay, I do see some high throws from Joe, so I'll grant that. But there will still 7 drops including a dropped TD by Torrey, and a play where he is running down the middle of the field and just STOPS and turns around and the ball goes over his head. Not to mention the refs calling a play dead as a sack that Joe had the wherewithal to find and throw to Rice with a guy draped on in which should never have been whistled. Michael Oher once again showed why he is a bad choice for LT. Matt Birk is only on the field because the guys behind him aren't good enough, and KO should be a guard and not a tackle.

These guys aren't performing. But this offensive scheme is not putting them in position to not just succeed, but to even cover up their shortcomings. I can't even remember a checkdown to Rice tonight. Everything was sideline.

And hell, if all you are going to do is run 2 receiver sets down the sideline, how about a couple of comeback routes. You know, the ones we always scream about that beat Carey Williams? We never run them. No TE drags, even Pitta was basically running straight downfield tonight.

I am seeing the light on the OC situation here.

**Jsmoove** · 12-02-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.

I'm saying there were dropped passes, sailed balls and crapy blocking, effecting the running game and caused a Flacco fumble.

Those three issues are execution.

That's not an endorsement of Cam. It doesn't change my mind he needs to go.

What today's game tells me is that this game was an execution issue, not a Cam issue.

Charlie Batch had 2 ints, no run game for most of the night and his Oline wasn't that probowl caliber that is horse shit!!

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

That boot to Leach worked both times they used it tonight.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the players didn't execute HR. Going back to the TV replay, I do see some high throws from Joe, so I'll grant that. But there will still 7 drops including a dropped TD by Torrey, and a play where he is running down the middle of the field and just STOPS and turns around and the ball goes over his head. Not to mention the refs calling a play dead as a sack that Joe had the wherewithal to find and throw to Rice with a guy draped on in which should never have been whistled. Michael Oher once again showed why he is a bad choice for LT. Matt Birk is only on the field because the guys behind him aren't good enough, and KO should be a guard and not a tackle.

These guys aren't performing. But this offensive scheme is not putting them in position to not just succeed, but to even cover up their shortcomings. I can't even remember a checkdown to Rice tonight. Everything was sideline.

And hell, if all you are going to do is run 2 receiver sets down the sideline, how about a couple of comeback routes. You know, the ones we always scream about that beat Carey Williams? We never run them. No TE drags, even Pitta was basically running straight downfield tonight.

I am seeing the light on the OC situation here.

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**purplepoe** · 12-02-2012, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.

I'm saying there were dropped passes, sailed balls and crapy blocking, effecting the running game and caused a Flacco fumble.

Those three issues are execution.

That's not an endorsement of Cam. It doesn't change my mind he needs to go.

What today's game tells me is that this game was an execution issue, not a Cam issue.

Ding Ding Ding!!!

Did everyone watch the same game tonight?

PP

**Sirdowski** · 12-02-2012, 08:35 PM

When we went 3 and out throwing the ball three straight times on our final drive, I knew the game was over.

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**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-02-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

When we went 3 and out throwing the ball three straight times on our final drive, I knew the game was over.

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When I saw our D couldn't stop them one more time, then I knew it was over.

If our D could've stopped them, and Joe was allowed to call his own plays in the no-huddle hurry up...we still had a chance to NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-02-2012, 10:19 PM

Fish stinks from the head fella's.

I like Hargbuagh, alot, personally. And I think he's a good leader, but not a good coach.

Charlie Batch threw for 300 yards. Bend but don't break is a conservative approach that failed.

We saw in the Yahoo! article that Cam wants to go no huddle, but Harbaugh doesn't. I know Cam is the OC and designs the plays, calls the plays, but Harbaugh seems to be the one putting the overly conservative approach on them, as well as the D.

Over the Harbuagh era we've constantly played down to our competition, either because the team is not prepared or because we don't want to take too many chances and lose the game ourselves.

You can throw the regular season records at me all day long, and those are great, no doubt - we've been spoiled compared to other fans. But the conservative approach, archaic predictable play calling, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE clock management may get us a fair amount of regular season wins consistently and few post season wins, but barring a miraculous hot streak I don't a Super Bowl with this coaching staff.

Cam may bethe shackles around this teams legs but Harbaugh is the chain that holds them together.

**bpmurr** · 12-02-2012, 11:56 PM

I wonder what Billick might have been able to do with this amount of offensive talent. He never had it under his reign. Partly his fault of course.

**RavensQB** · 12-03-2012, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

seriously? I thought he called one of his better games but Flacco was again sub par

WHAT!?!?!?!? Ricky Proehl could have called a better game. Take off the purple glasses. You have lost it BRO!!!

**Ravenblue** · 12-03-2012, 03:23 AM

There seems to be a lot of people here who seem to be intent on blaming the playcalling OR the player's execution.

When it all boils down to it, it's clear that it's a bit of both and neither helped eached other. Yes, some of the play calling was awful (need 5 yards, let's call a play that takes 10 seconds to develop and leave our QB a sitting duck!), but Flacco's passing was off at times, and some of the passes dropped were inexcusable.

You can argue which came first, but the reason we lost was that no facet of the game really stepped up last night. Through all the games we've shaded, we've been able to rely on something to win the game, whether offence, defense or spec. teams. Sure, offence and defense had their moments but were not consistent enough and special teams were poor. Add in the coaching mistakes, such as the ridiculous challenge and you can see it was all one giant cluster-feck of a shambles.

**RavensQB** · 12-03-2012, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenblue

There seems to be a lot of people here who seem to be intent on blaming the playcalling OR the player's execution.

When it all boils down to it, it's clear that it's a bit of both and neither helped eached other. Yes, some of the play calling was awful (need 5 yards, let's call a play that takes 10 seconds to develop and leave our QB a sitting duck!), but Flacco's passing was off at times, and some of the passes dropped were inexcusable.

You can argue which came first, but the reason we lost was that no facet of the game really stepped up last night. Through all the games we've shaded, we've been able to rely on something to win the game, whether offence, defense or spec. teams. Sure, offence and defense had their moments but were not consistent enough and special teams were poor. Add in the coaching mistakes, such as the ridiculous challenge and you can see it was all one giant cluster-feck of a shambles.

Players have come and gone. But we still see the same results! WHO DO YOU BLAME?????? Coaching! As of right now they are all to blame. But so is the GM and Owner for letting it to continue! PERIOD!

**Paintballguy** · 12-03-2012, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenblue

There seems to be a lot of people here who seem to be intent on blaming the playcalling OR the player's execution.

When it all boils down to it, it's clear that it's a bit of both and neither helped eached other. Yes, some of the play calling was awful (need 5 yards, let's call a play that takes 10 seconds to develop and leave our QB a sitting duck!), but Flacco's passing was off at times, and some of the passes dropped were inexcusable.

You can argue which came first, but the reason we lost was that no facet of the game really stepped up last night. Through all the games we've shaded, we've been able to rely on something to win the game, whether offence, defense or spec. teams. Sure, offence and defense had their moments but were not consistent enough and special teams were poor. Add in the coaching mistakes, such as the ridiculous challenge and you can see it was all one giant cluster-feck of a shambles.

Ray Rice didn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter.

**Cj34** · 12-03-2012, 06:10 AM

Some observations -

They only utilize half the field. They will only throw outside the hashes unless forced to.

They only utilize half the routes on the receiver tree. The very first drive of the game (I think Joe may have audibled but Im not 100% sure) Joe threw a slant to Bolden. It worked beautifully. Guess what? It was the only slant of the game. No comeback routes. No posts. No corner routes. No drags. No rub routes. Nothing. I don't understand how people can bitch about the receivers not getting seperation. If the defense knows you're only gonna run one of four routes and it's always going to be to the outside it's easy for them to gameplan against. Heck, they have an extra defender every time because of the sideline.

We make no adjustments during the second half, which is a pattern that has been going on too long.

Harbs make a bonehead challenge and burns a timeout. That may or may not be on him depending on what the coaches said from the booth.

The defense has to find some pressure from somewhere. If they can't find it from base defense then Pees is going to have to blitz more. I would rather get burned being aggressive then bleed a slow death. At least being aggressive you have more of a chance for takeaways. Hopefully he can disguise the blitzes well and not show it 3 seconds before the ball is snapped.

Here are four changes that imo the Ravens HAVE to make this offseason unless things drastically change:

#1 - They need to get a very good, reliable pass rusher to compliment Suggs whether or not Kruger comes back. It can be through the draft or free agency but the future success of the defense depends on it.

#2 - Moeller needs to be fired. They need a new O-line coach with a new system because Moeller is not getting it done. You add that up to his embarassing actions off the field and I have no idea how the guy is still employed by the Ravens.

#3 - The Cam/Joe decision. Let's face it, regardless of who you think the blame falls on the bottomline is the ship has sailed on these two working together in the future. Either you cut bait with Flacco and let him walk if you don't want to commit the money to him or you tell Harbs that Cam has to go and find your next OC. In a perfect world this would have happened a year ago so the Ravens could have evaluated Joe in a different system (to see if it was Cam's fault, Joe's fault, or both of their faults) before giving him a new deal.

#4 - The front office needs to evaluate the entire coaching staff. If the rumours are true about Cam wanting to run a no huddle offense and Harbs putting a stop to it, all for the sake of being conservative, then Ozzie and Bisciotti have to make a front offense decision and either let Cam go and/or to tell Harbs this team needs to be more aggressive and play to win - don't play to not lose. Imo that mentality is one of the main reasons why this team is consistently good...but also why they consistently fail to reach the SB. Whether or not Cam is brought back the front office still needs to tell the coaching staff to play to win.