Average Joe

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-02-2012, 07:03 PM

Are they seriously gonna give this guy 100 million? I just don't see it. He is a good game manager but like Alex Smith,I don't see him being able to take this team to the next level. It's been five years and he just can't deliver...unfortunately for us we don't have a Kapernick on the bench. Before anyone brings up the afccg last year, he threw a terrible int to Brandon Spikes on the play before Jimmy Smith picked off Brady. We couldv put them away there but people wanna talk about the Lee aevans drop...that wouldnt have mattered if he had at least gotten a FG.

**leachisabeast** · 12-02-2012, 07:06 PM

Joe also had Leach wide open for the potential winning TD on one of the drives, we had to settle for a FG, don't forget about the under throw to Torrey as well. That was the worst passing defense in the league, I still have reservations about Joe when it comes to contract talk.

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Are they seriously gonna give this guy 100 million? I just don't see it. He is a good game manager but like Alex Smith,I don't see him being able to take this team to the next level. It's been five years in Cam's offense and he just can't deliver...unfortunately for us we don't have a Kapernick on the bench. Before anyone brings up the afccg last year, he threw a terrible int to Brandon Spikes on the play before Jimmy Smith picked off Brady. We couldv put them away there but people wanna talk about the Lee aevans drop...that wouldnt have mattered if he had at least gotten a FG.

Fixed that for ya. No thanks necessary.

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**ravenray** · 12-02-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Are they seriously gonna give this guy 100 million?

most likely, he and his apologists will point out how many times hes been to the playoff and how many game he has won. not because the talented defense.

**leachisabeast** · 12-02-2012, 07:11 PM

You can blame Cam all you want, and he deserves a lot of it, but it still doesn't explain Flaccos TERRIBLE pocket poise at times, and his total mental lapses, like throwing an inexplicable interception as we saw in the first half.

**Boulderraven** · 12-02-2012, 07:14 PM

As I've said for 3 years now, what you see is what you get. Average Joe.

**bmorecareful** · 12-02-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

You can blame Cam all you want, and he deserves a lot of it, but it still doesn't explain Flaccos TERRIBLE pocket poise at times, and his total mental lapses, like throwing an inexplicable interception as we saw in the first half.

The interception was inexcusable as was the strip sack, although maybe that guy James Harrison deserves at least SOME credit for making the play.

Even so, Flacco got no help whatsoever from his offense. Rice had a bad game outside of one run; minimum 7 drops by his WRs, none of whom got an arm's length of separation the entire game; the OL totally fell apart in the 2nd half; Pitta did absolutely nothing outside of one play; and of course the OC was inexplicable.

I know we're going to hear "Ray Rice needed to get the ball more." But I am VERY tired of watching Rice run into Birk's back and flop on his face for 1 yard 8 or 9 times a game, while no-name backs from Pittsburgh bounce around and break tackles for real games. Rice is a HUGE talent and I don't think he's being coached up and utilized to his potential far too often.

**bengtc** · 12-02-2012, 07:16 PM

another knock is he has the worst play action fakes in the league, just barely turns his shoulder and does not show the ball...ya that is really going to fool the D

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 07:18 PM

I still think we will never know how good Flacco can be until he is in another offensive scheme.

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**leachisabeast** · 12-02-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

The interception was inexcusable as was the strip sack, although maybe that guy James Harrison deserves at least SOME credit for making the play.

Even so, Flacco got no help whatsoever from his offense. Rice had a bad game outside of one run; minimum 7 drops by his WRs, none of whom got an arm's length of separation the entire game; the OL totally fell apart in the 2nd half; Pitta did absolutely nothing outside of one play; and of course the OC was inexplicable.

I know we're going to hear "Ray Rice needed to get the ball more." But I am VERY tired of watching Rice run into Birk's back and flop on his face for 1 yard 8 or 9 times a game, while no-name backs from Pittsburgh bounce around and break tackles for real games. Rice is a HUGE talent and I don't think he's being coached up and utilized to his potential far too often.

Rice came up big when it mattered, Flacco didn't, stop trying to blame everyone else, he under threw pretty much every time he went deep.

**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by bengtc

another knock is he has the worst play action fakes in the league, just barely turns his shoulder and does not show the ball...ya that is really going to fool the D

It does when they can actually run the ball effectively.

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**wickedsolo** · 12-02-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Rice came up big when it mattered, Flacco didn't, stop trying to blame everyone else, he under threw pretty much every time he went deep.

What about that one pass that hit Torrey in the hands in the end zone?

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**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-02-2012, 07:20 PM

I don't think he's anywhere near worth $100 million.

Matt Schaub's contract needs to be the standard here. Maybe less. I think around $14 million per should be max.

You can't give him more based on what you "think" he will do without Cam...the Ravens screwed that up by not actually trying to see what they had earlier by firing Cam a year or 2 ago.

**SeattleRaven** · 12-02-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

You can blame Cam all you want, and he deserves a lot of it, but it still doesn't explain Flaccos TERRIBLE pocket poise at times, and his total mental lapses, like throwing an inexplicable interception as we saw in the first half.

Not to mention the total lack of urgency on the field and leadership on the sidelines. Joe is simply not a leader as he is often seen on the sidelines sitting by himself on the bench. Guys like Brady and Manning are meeting with the offensive unit while not on the field, encouraging the other players, and game planning with the O.C.

Simply put, Joe is not a leader and does not warrant elite QB money.

**leachisabeast** · 12-02-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

What about that one pass that hit Torrey in the hands in the end zone?

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That was a really hard one to catch, and yes maybe he should have caught it, but Torrey isn't looking for a big 100 million contract like Joe is right now, maybe Joe should improve his pocket presence and stop taking coverage sacks?

**lowrider** · 12-02-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Are they seriously gonna give this guy 100 million? I just don't see it. He is a good game manager but like Alex Smith,I don't see him being able to take this team to the next level. It's been five years and he just can't deliver...unfortunately for us we don't have a Kapernick on the bench. Before anyone brings up the afccg last year, he threw a terrible int to Brandon Spikes on the play before Jimmy Smith picked off Brady. We couldv put them away there but people wanna talk about the Lee aevans drop...that wouldnt have mattered if he had at least gotten a FG.

Seriously, you're comparing him to Alex Smith?

**GOTA** · 12-02-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

You can blame Cam all you want, and he deserves a lot of it, but it still doesn't explain Flaccos TERRIBLE pocket poise at times, and his total mental lapses, like throwing an inexplicable interception as we saw in the first half.

Maybe it does explain it. Cam has been such complete shit as a coach that he can't even teach the basics to Joe. Hopefully Joe hasn't been ruined as is still able to correct things with a better teacher.

**CptJesus** · 12-02-2012, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

What about that one pass that hit Torrey in the hands in the end zone?

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You mean the one that was sailing out of bounds, along with Torrey?

**Bawlamer** · 12-02-2012, 07:23 PM

Is Joe always this average? I guess he is. They are the #1 defense. So 20 points against them is not too shabby. What also showed was our #25 defense that couldn't stop a old worn out third string QB. How many times do you get beat across the middle before you do something about it? Just asking.

**darb72** · 12-02-2012, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Joe also had Leach wide open for the potential winning TD on one of the drives, we had to settle for a FG, don't forget about the under throw to Torrey as well. That was the worst passing defense in the league, I still have reservations about Joe when it comes to contract talk.

"That was the worst passing defense in the league."

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

You're not very smart, are you?