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**JAB1985** · 12-03-2012, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Seems like your contradicting your self blaming everyone around Flacco, like none of it is his fault. Flacco shares a large portion of the blame no matter what anyone says, yes the scheme sucks, but you put him in a Sean Payton system, and a lot of those throws are still off target, and he has next to zero pocket poise like Brees. I think Flacco would ultimately look better in a more QB friendly system, but I'm not sure if he'd still be as good as Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers. Flacco takes way too many sacks that he doesn't need to take.

Much like how you compare him to Schaub, why does he have to be Rogers or Brees? Schaub is leading his team to an outstanding record and one of the better all around teams in the league. He doesnt have to be elite to be a winning QB and get us to the superbowl. In a better system hed be closer to those elites than "average" or slightly above, that his stats are saying. His ability is better than his stats and thats typically the damning factor for an OC. Theres no question Cam has done less with more than some other teams and there inlies the problem. Much like Ravenous1 said above, judging any of our talent based on their performances in this offense will be skewed.

**wickedsolo** · 12-03-2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Seems like your contradicting your self blaming everyone around Flacco, like none of it is his fault. Flacco shares a large portion of the blame no matter what anyone says, yes the scheme sucks, but you put him in a Sean Payton system, and a lot of those throws are still off target, and he has next to zero pocket poise like Brees. I think Flacco would ultimately look better in a more QB friendly system, but I'm not sure if he'd still be as good as Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers. Flacco takes way too many sacks that he doesn't need to take.

Not really.

Flacco hasn't been very good, but my point was it isn't all on him, which is what some "fans" would have everyone believe.

It's easy to point the finger at Flacco and go "BAD!", but when you take a holistic overview of the entire offense then you can kind of start to see the bigger picture. That's my point.

**wickedsolo** · 12-03-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

Much like how you compare him to Schaub, why does he have to be Rogers or Brees? Schaub is leading his team to an outstanding record and one of the better all around teams in the league. He doesnt have to be elite to be a winning QB and get us to the superbowl. In a better system hed be closer to those elites than "average" or slightly above, that his stats are saying. His ability is better than his stats and thats typically the damning factor for an OC. Theres no question Cam has done less with more than some other teams and there inlies the problem. Much like Ravenous1 said above, judging any of our talent based on their performances in this offense will be skewed.

Matt Schaub also took several years to really develop into a decent QB. Granted, he sat behind Vick for a few years, but he didn't REALLY start developing into a good QB until Gary Kubiak came along.

**bmorecareful** · 12-03-2012, 07:35 AM

Regarding the INT targetting Pitta--I went back and re-watched it, and it was definitely an ill-advised pass, but if Pitta doesn't stumble it's just a 6'4 TE guarded by 2 5'11 CBs in a jump ball situation. If Pitta kept his feet, got a little separation, and brought the ball in, we're all talking about "what a gutsy play!" and "what an effort!"

Remember, Flacco had a similar play against the Steelers in Pittsburgh where he broke away from a sack and threw to Rice for a 30 yard gain... that was a better play and a better situation, but still fairly comparable.

Peyton Manning had a horrible sack-fumble where he held the ball too long and coughed it up @NWE this year. New England took over at Denver's 20 and promptly punched in a TD. Denver lost the game, but because he's a future HOFer and is otherwise having a great season, it's been forgiven and forgotten. EVERY NFL QB makes horrible mistakes, EVERY NFL QB loses fumbles because he held the ball too long, and SOME NFL QBs get the benefit of the doubt and others don't, usually based on whether they're winning games or not.