What happen to the short passing game?

**Bawlamer** · 12-02-2012, 07:36 PM

We went down field a lot today. More time than not they should have been picked off. In the past there was negativity about the dink and dunk approach to moving the ball down filed. Perhaps they need to revisit that approach especially when facing high ranked super pass rushing defenses. My thought is to stop looking down field so much and go for the first down. Our possession time is absolutely horrible.

Anyone else like to new approach or would you prefer a more balanced approach?

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-02-2012, 07:39 PM

Dink and Dunk?

THAT'S NOT HOW CAM ROLLS BABY

**KevinG** · 12-02-2012, 07:43 PM

Once we have a gameplan we stick to it! right!?...right?

**leachisabeast** · 12-02-2012, 07:44 PM

It's a foreign language to Cam. Maybe we could do with Todd Haily.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-02-2012, 07:46 PM

Dink and dunk doesn't exist in Cams version of the Coryell offense.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-02-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by KevinG

Once we have a gameplan we stick to it! right!?...right?

Now THAT'S HOW CAM ROLLS BABY!

**Boulderraven** · 12-02-2012, 07:54 PM

Why havent they used the SUGAR HUDDLE either? I just really dont know what the Ravens are trying to achieve offensively. It's perplexing. Seems like to much stubborness in game plannning and adjustments.

**Bawlamer** · 12-02-2012, 07:56 PM

Understand, I wouldn't prefer resorting to that approach entirely but I think it's necessary since it takes a long time for our receivers to get open. Those sacks killed us. A short passing game would have been the ticket for possession purposes. Going for the first down not the kill. Eating time and possibly kicking a FG. Charlie, IMO, could not have moved the ball quickly down field.

**Jsmoove** · 12-02-2012, 07:57 PM

Killa cam mutha fuckin cameron, how people defend this fuckin jackass is beyond me!!!

**Jsmoove** · 12-02-2012, 08:00 PM

2 AND 10 CURL TO BOLDIN WITH LBs and safties and sitting right there. 3 and 10 curl to boldin with the LB and safety right there, 3 and 10 deep ball, 2 and 10 deep ball.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-02-2012, 08:05 PM

I don't want to term those bombs as wasted plays, because when you connect, it's great (although it does affect TOP), but when we have games like this where we throw 20+ yards down field probably at least 10 times, and connect on may 2, that's exactly what it is.

So many things have to go right for those deep passes to be complete, I don't think the positives outweigh the negatives when you are doing it over 10 times a game. I honestly don't think any other team makes close to the deep attempts that we do. Does anybody have the stats on that?

Mix in a couple deep throws to keep the defense honest, but this "chunks" offense is garbage and frankly, we aren't good enough at it in today's NFL for it to be consistent.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-02-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I don't want to term those bombs as wasted plays, because when you connect, it's great (although it does affect TOP), but when we have games like this where we throw 20+ yards down field probably at least 10 times, and connect on may 2, that's exactly what it is.

So many things have to go right for those deep passes to be complete, I don't think the positives outweigh the negatives when you are doing it over 10 times a game. I honestly don't think any other team makes close to the deep attempts that we do. Does anybody have the stats on that?

QUANTITY OVER QUALITY!

That's CAM'S WINNING STRATEGY BABY!!

**ravensnhokies** · 12-02-2012, 11:07 PM

Unfortunately, Cam's desire to throw the chunk passes as much as they run Ray Rice is rubbing off on Joe in a bad way. Joe is getting way too greedy with the deep ball. He should have run that damn ball instead of throwing it to Torrey in the 4Q. You know that is Cam's evil influence.

Cam truly has snowed the whole offensive squad to believe that if you have man to man coverage, you should be able to beat it every time with a deep ball 9 route. No creative play design at all.... just break out the sticks in the dirt, and tell the guy to go deep. If it fails, it was POOR EXECUTION. If the Ravens miraculously get a new OC with Joe still at the helm, its going to take that guy a little time to get Joe to... a little thanks to Yoda....UNLEARN WHAT HE HAS LEARNED

**B-more Ravor** · 12-03-2012, 07:15 AM

What happened to the"Patriots" style quick hitting, up tempo offense that we heard about all Spring and Summer? I've got no problem going down field, but that seemed like our only play.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-03-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

What happened to the"Patriots" style quick hitting, up tempo offense that we heard about all Spring and Summer? I've got no problem going down field, but that seemed like our only play.

The offense seems to have gone back to their plodding ways.

**Paintballguy** · 12-03-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

What happened to the"Patriots" style quick hitting, up tempo offense that we heard about all Spring and Summer? I've got no problem going down field, but that seemed like our only play.

That's Cam. Play doesn't work? Keep running it over and over again. I love taking deep shots, but you have to set them up.

**bmorecareful** · 12-03-2012, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

What happened to the"Patriots" style quick hitting, up tempo offense that we heard about all Spring and Summer? I've got no problem going down field, but that seemed like our only play.

They only ONE single play out of the no-huddle yesterday. Obviously they don't NEED to go no-huddle to use the short passing game, but I've said it before and I'll say it again, when Flacco is calling the plays and controlling the offense, it's like a veil is lifted and the entire field and route tree are in play. When Cam Cameron calls the plays it's sideline routes, bombs to Torrey, and dumpoffs to Pitta or Rice--nothing else.

**pslholder96** · 12-03-2012, 08:05 AM

I don't have a problem with the Ravens going deep down the field as often as they did. That was my complaint in the last game. Not using the middle of the field. They had favorable matchups. They just didn't execute. Flacco and his receivers were just out of sync the entire game. They tried to force some passes down the field. Yet again when Ray Rice doesn't touch the ball often enough bad things happen.

**festivus** · 12-03-2012, 08:44 AM

My sense is the Ravens coaching staff is content to run a low-risk offense that does not put up many points but will probably avoid costly turnovers. It will (again, I'm trying to guess what's going through their heads) *tend* to produce lower-scoring games and *tend* not to be pretty, because a short passing attack is a good way to bite off chunks of yards and we'd be avoiding it.

But (again, just trying to channel my inner John/Cam here) it will *tend* to produce wins. Not always, and sometimes it will be its own undoing. Yesterday the offense's low-risk strategy backfired when the defense gave up 23 points and the offense sputtered when it was time to show up in the 4th quarter. It's a risk/reward thing, they might say, which is enough to get to the playoffs. It's not pretty but it's effective, they might say.

I'm not sure I buy it, but that's my best guess about why the playcalling tends to be run/deep out/go route. Those plays all have a pretty low chance of backfiring. Though, of course, they sometimes do.

**Jsmoove** · 12-03-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by festivus

My sense is the Ravens coaching staff is content to run a low-risk offense that does not put up many points but will probably avoid costly turnovers. It will (again, I'm trying to guess what's going through their heads) *tend* to produce lower-scoring games and *tend* not to be pretty, because a short passing attack is a good way to bite off chunks of yards and we'd be avoiding it.

But (again, just trying to channel my inner John/Cam here) it will *tend* to produce wins. Not always, and sometimes it will be its own undoing. Yesterday the offense's low-risk strategy backfired when the defense gave up 23 points and the offense sputtered when it was time to show up in the 4th quarter. It's a risk/reward thing, they might say, which is enough to get to the playoffs. It's not pretty but it's effective, they might say.

I'm not sure I buy it, but that's my best guess about why the playcalling tends to be run/deep out/go route. Those plays all have a pretty low chance of backfiring. Though, of course, they sometimes do.

Harbaugh neeeds to be blamed for how this team is running as well and yesterdays loss he managed the clock terrible yesterday that was an awful challenge.