Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

[saintmatthew]

Bisciotti let Billick stand by Cavanaugh because he felt the HC should make those decisions. In the end, though, it was probably one of the several factors that help lead to Billick's dismissal.

It may well be the same with Harbaugh if he doesn't cut bait this time.

You have to wonder though if Matt Cavanaugh wasn't the problem an maybe, say Kyle Boller was...

[Paintballguy]

Sorry ESMD, but at this point, firing Cam and letting Caldwell and Flacco come up with any game plan is better than letting Cam damage this team's record anymore. This isn't going to get better or fix itself.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Sorry ESMD, but at this point, firing Cam and letting Caldwell and Flacco come up with any game plan is better than letting Cam damage this team's record anymore. This isn't going to get better or fix itself.

Who knows...you may be right. I doubt it, but that could be true. Ain't gonna happen though.

[Dirt1]

You have to wonder though if Matt Cavanaugh wasn't the problem an maybe, say Kyle Boller was...

Isn't Cavanaugh the OC for the Jets? Sanchez has regressed badly this year, so that would mean that either Sanchez was never that good either, or that Cavanaugh couldn't develop two first round pick QBs.

[JAB1985]

that really worked out for NO didnt it? Having no OC and allowing your Elite QB (which Flacco isnt) to run the offense, and a highly talented team/scheme at that, led to a lot of wins.

I think if we were going to fire him, after houston would have been the latest to do it. 4 games left and in playoff position, all we can do now is cross our fingers and hope for the best this season and that he finally gets canned afterwards.

[JohnBKistler]

Bisciotti is not going to do anything until the off-season. These last few weeks and (hopefully) the playoffs will have as much (or more) impact on people's fates (players and coaches) as to what has happened up to now.

[esmd]

And I know nobody wants to hear this, but with that defense, I wasn't exactly bullish on our SB chances anyway. Anything can happen, and still can, but with the guys we're running out there every week, even if the offense was doing well, it would still be a long shot. This season has been a struggle from the start with offseason losses, injuries to key players, some young players regressing (Cody, McPhee, Jimmy Smith, etc). This offseason will be a big one. They need to make some tough choices, hope some of these young guys step up, and again, a good draft is vital. They've had some misses recently.

[B-more Ravor]

You have to wonder though if Matt Cavanaugh wasn't the problem an maybe, say Kyle Boller was...

Cavanaugh was the OC for 4 (mediocre to bad) years before Boller arrived.

He and Boller were together for only 3 years (of which Boller started only 16 games).

[bensmotorcyclehelmt]

Cavanaugh was the OC for 4 (mediocre to bad) years before Boller arrived.

He and Boller were together for only 3 years (of which Boller started only 16 games).

Is there any way we can swap Cam Cameron with Kevin Gilbride?

[Lime in the Coconut]

One thing that has bothered me is the defensive play this season. I never thought we'd see such terrible defensive play. I understand that a new DC is in and we've had a lot of injuries, key guys who are out or playing through stuff. The most frustrating thing however is that it feels almost like we have neglected that side of the ball and instead have tried to build this dynamite offense through the draft and FA. We also have had some misses lately too which obviously hasn't helped. Pitt still has a pretty strong defense, other teams like SF and Houston have strong defenses. The even more frustrating part is that we don't have a dynamite offense. We're right where we usually are, in the middle of the pack. I think we have built a talented offense, but we just don't have the driver to guide it.

So now, we have not as talented of a defense with an offense that hasn't displayed a whole lot with the talent it has. I hope we can really restock defensively and get back to playing Ravens defense.

[eddiepoe]

they should at this point , thiS play not to lose shit is down right fucking ridiculous, this shit has to get some people fired how the fuck does piss pees not blitz a 38yr old QB? you have your corners playing 15yrd off the fucking ball? Pees should be fired after that bullshit, fuck even mattison did better than that. Then you got killa cam yeeeaahhhhhh!!! fuck him he needs to go this fucking loss was embarassing to say the least A 38YR OLD FUCKING QB WHO CAN'T THROW SHIT OVER 20YRDS???? SOMEONE SHOULD BE MADE AN EXAMPLE FOR THIS BULLSHIT.

I like a man who can express himself and capture the feelings we were all having while watching that craptacular excuse for a defense. Not blitzing batch was inexcusable. both co-ordinators have to go.

[JohnBKistler]

both co-ordinators have to go.

I don't see that happening. I think Newsome/Harbaugh would see that as too much change.

Besides, I think Pees should get another chance to see what he can do with a (hopefully) healthy Suggs, healthy Ngata, healthy Webb and healthy Jimmy Smith.

[wickedsolo]

Kevin Gilbride was the QB's coach for 2 or 3 seasons before taking over in 2007...the year that they won the SB. Before that it was John Hufnagel, who did "ok" with Eli, but Eli didn't start reaching his potential until Gilbride took over the offense.

[moose10101]

(Cam isn't conservative. He's vanilla)

No, vanilla is actually a flavor. Cam is unflavored gelatin.

[Cj34]

Good lord, you guys must have huge dentist bills as much as you gnash your teeth. Look, Cam is going to be gone this offseason. He hung on because they didn't want to make a change during the lockout and then last year they were a dropped pass away from the SB, and he got a reprieve. Harbaugh is NOT going to throw him under the bus publicly to satisfy you all, nor is he going to fire him during the season. Nor should he, on either count. Yeah, I know, 2006. One time it worked. Doesn't mean it would work here and now.

I'm not saying Harbaugh is perfect, because he's not. None of them are. Billick wasn't, Ozzie isn't. But he's a good coach. They're running the worst defense we've had since '02 or '98 out there every week, Cam is a problem, and yet they're still 9-3. Christ, you'd think we were rooting for a team in Ohio or something.

It's going to have to happen before I believe it. There have been a few in the media who have been asked if Cam would be fired after this season. Their response, "not unless the Ravens lose out". Now normally I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what media heads are saying. The difference here is we have the media reporting this AND we have history supporting this. If he hasn't been fired before what makes people think they'll suddenly see the light and fire him now?

The answer is they won't. Bisciotti doesn't have the tamper-with mentality that Angelos has. If Ozzie hasn't changed his opinion on Cam over the last 4 years then his opinion won't be changed. Harbaugh is loyal to a fault and won't get rid of him.

The only way I see him being fired is if the organization is publicly embarassed by losing 4 in a row, blowing the division lead and/or losing in the first round of the playoffs.

It's kinda sad. I certainly don't want to root for the Ravens to lose just to get rid of Cam but on the flip side I definitely don't want to keep Cam either. That's a huge dilemma that a lot of fans are facing right now. It's a catch-22 situation.

[esmd]

It's going to have to happen before I believe it. There have been a few in the media who have been asked if Cam would be fired after this season. Their response, "not unless the Ravens lose out". Now normally I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what media heads are saying. The difference here is we have the media reporting this AND we have history supporting this. If he hasn't been fired before what makes people think they'll suddenly see the light and fire him now?

The answer is they won't. Bisciotti doesn't have the tamper-with mentality that Angelos has. If Ozzie hasn't changed his opinion on Cam over the last 4 years then his opinion won't be changed. Harbaugh is loyal to a fault and won't get rid of him.

The only way I see him being fired is if the organization is publicly embarassed by losing 4 in a row, blowing the division lead and/or losing in the first round of the playoffs.

It's kinda sad. I certainly don't want to root for the Ravens to lose just to get rid of Cam but on the flip side I definitely don't want to keep Cam either. That's a huge dilemma that a lot of fans are facing right now. It's a catch-22 situation.

First, no GM or HC is going to tell anyone in the media that they're going to fire an assistant at the end of the season. C'mon. As far as whether he is fired or not, I think he has to be. Too much water under the bridge between player and the fanbase. If they retain him, there might be a mutiny in the locker room and the stands. And the proof is on the field. The offense isn't clicking, and they're not going to get rid of Joe, RR, Torrey, etc. So Cam will go.

As for your final point, I say that any "fan" that roots for their team to lose just so a coach can be fired (or a player would be released, etc) isn't much of a fan in the first place.

[Cj34]

First, no GM or HC is going to tell anyone in the media that they're going to fire an assistant at the end of the season. C'mon. As far as whether he is fired or not, I think he has to be. Too much water under the bridge between player and the fanbase. If they retain him, there might be a mutiny in the locker room and the stands. And the proof is on the field. The offense isn't clicking, and they're not going to get rid of Joe, RR, Torrey, etc. So Cam will go.

As for your final point, I say that any "fan" that roots for their team to lose just so a coach can be fired (or a player would be released, etc) isn't much of a fan in the first place.

You're taking a lot of things I posted out of context.

Where did I say that a GM or HC would tell the media before firing a coach? I said was normally I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the media says. The main reason I think he won't be fired is past history. That tells you everything you need to know. Cam has been the same for 5 years here and many more years with other teams. If the front office hasn't had their opinion changed by now then it will take something drastic to sway it.

Also please tell me where I said I was rooting against my team? I said it's a sad, no-win situation. I don't want to root for them to lose. However, if they don't then more then likely Cam will be back.

[esmd]

You're taking a lot of things I posted out of context.

Where did I say that a GM or HC would tell the media before firing a coach? I said was normally I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the media says. The main reason I think he won't be fired is past history. That tells you everything you need to know. Cam has been the same for 5 years here and many more years with other teams. If the front office hasn't had their opinion changed by now then it will take something drastic to sway it.

Also please tell me where I said I was rooting against my team? I said it's a sad, no-win situation. I don't want to root for them to lose. However, if they don't then more then likely Cam will be back.

I think I misunderstood your first point. I took it was you saying the media asked Ravens officials if he would be fired and were told no, so you didn't think he would be. After re-reading it, I see that you're going off media speculation. Either way, I think he's gone, but the Ravens aren't going to publicly embarass him by even speculating on it. They're going to back him publicly right up until the time that he seperates from the organization.

As to your last point, I didn't say that you specifically were. You said it was a catch-22 and it was a huge dilemma for a lot of fans. I disagree. It's not a that at all. You root for your team no matter what. Anyone who doesn't isn't much of a fan, IMO. Whether you put yourself in that category or not is up to you.