Deadskins

**GOTA** · 12-04-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Record aside, they are the better team. I say the Redskins beat us by 10.

The Redskins don't have better personnel. It's not even close.

**D-RavedUp5-27-52-20** · 12-04-2012, 09:38 AM

This is off topic: I am baffled by certain people on here are saying "We don't have a chance", "Oh we are not going to win another game for the rest of the season. Lets give up since we not a good team etc etc. Its make me uneased to be a fan. I mean come on guys. We are better than this. . I get it their not the best and i am defintely not a Cam fan but seriously we sound like we quitters instead of winners. We have to support the team no matter what happens.

Back to the original topic: RG3 is a stud and also Morris. But their defense epsecially their secondary is suspect. I think we will win by close game. There i have faith in our team.

**pslholder96** · 12-04-2012, 09:49 AM

Most of you are giving the Redskins way too much credit. They are a good team and certainly RG3 is a force to be reckoned with but seriously they are 6-6 for a reason. It comes down to matchups and most likely we attack the Redskins differently than the Giants did.
The ravens are a resilient team and I'm confident they'll play much better coming off a loss, more often than not they usually follow up a loss with an ugly win.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-04-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Most of you are giving the Redskins way too much credit. They are a good team and certainly RG3 is a force to be reckoned with but seriously they are 6-6 for a reason. It comes down to matchups and most likely we attack the Redskins differently than the Giants did.
The ravens are a resilient team and I'm confident they'll play much better coming off a loss, more often than not they usually follow up a loss with an ugly win.

Come on man, the Deadskins are not "a good team"--they have a rookie QB who is having "a good season" behind the a gimmick offense that will be thoroughly dissected by defensive coordinators across the league this off season and will lose its effectiveness long-term. Same thing with Cam Newton last year, granted RGIII is more athletic, accurate and smarter than Newton. Ironically, they lost to Cam Newton's Panthers a few weeks ago, so I like our chances.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Come on man, the Deadskins are not "a good team"--they have a rookie QB who is having "a good season" behind the a gimmick offense that will be thoroughly dissected by defensive coordinators across the league this off season and will lose its effectiveness long-term. Same thing with Cam Newton last year, granted RGIII is more athletic, accurate and smarter than Newton. Ironically, they lost to Cam Newton's Panthers a few weeks ago, so I like our chances.

I am not going to discount their offense. I think it is very effective given the way that RG3 executes it. I will say that it will get him killed eventually; he is taking way too many hits.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-04-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

I am not going to discount their offense. I think it is very effective given the way that RG3 executes it. I will say that it will get him killed eventually; he is taking way too many hits.

Nah, I give the Shanahan's credit, I wish we had a real OC that was half as creative as either of them.

**pslholder96** · 12-04-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Come on man, the Deadskins are not "a good team"--they have a rookie QB who is having "a good season" behind the a gimmick offense that will be thoroughly dissected by defensive coordinators across the league this off season and will lose its effectiveness long-term. Same thing with Cam Newton last year, granted RGIII is more athletic, accurate and smarter than Newton. Ironically, they lost to Cam Newton's Panthers a few weeks ago, so I like our chances.

Okay. My bad. I didn't realize there was one poster giving very little credit to the skins. 6-6 is average but for most people 9-3 is terrible. I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances for two reason. Our recent lack of offense and our road struggles.

**kojo** · 12-04-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Nah, I give the Shanahan's credit, I wish we had a real OC that was half as creative as either of them.

Yes, because that creative redskins offense looked so great against the Steelers right?

**rharris1986** · 12-04-2012, 10:12 AM

It doesn't matter if we have better personnel - we DON'T know how to utilize the talent we got. Just look at the games we've played this year (except for 3 or 4 good offensive performances)

Originally Posted by GOTA

The Redskins don't have better personnel. It's not even close.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-04-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

Yes, because that creative redskins offense looked so great against the Steelers right?

You pick one game against the leagues top defense and leagues best d coordinator as your evidence that the Skins don't call a good game? C'mon Man!!!

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-04-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

Yes, because that creative redskins offense looked so great against the Steelers right?

Did you watch that game? Their receivers dropped at least 15 passes. RGIII's throws were on the money, Santana Moss, Logan Paulsen, and Leonard Hankerson made our receivers look like they have Jerry Rice's hands. They also shut down their running game.

**kojo** · 12-04-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Did you watch that game? Their receivers dropped at least 15 passes. RGIII's throws were on the money, Santana Moss, Logan Paulsen, and Leonard Hankerson made our receivers look like they have Jerry Rice's hands. They also shut down their running game.

The point stands. Folks here are acting like the sky is falling and crapping on the OC for what the offense did against the steelers D while giving a pass and praising these guys that did even worse against them. Just as you can make excuses for their players not executing, the same can be said about ours that day.

**kojo** · 12-04-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

You pick one game against the leagues top defense and leagues best d coordinator as your evidence that the Skins don't call a good game? C'mon Man!!!

No, the point is folks here are using Sundays game as an indictment against Cam while praising the skins when they couldn't do any better against the Steelers. That is more a compliment to how good the Steelers are and how there's hope for this Sunday than anything else...

**NCRAVEN** · 12-04-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

No, the point is folks here are using Sundays game as an indictment against Cam while praising the skins when they couldn't do any better against the Steelers. That is more a compliment to how good the Steelers are and how there's hope for this Sunday than anything else...

Not surprisingly, I disagree. The Ravens approach each week the same, take as few risk as possible and hope the other team makes mistakes.

It's barely gotten us by. So Sunday's Sunday's game is not an indictment of Cam, it's just our approach (cam/Harbaugh's) caught up with us.

Meanwhile, the Skins call a similar game each week (try to score, score, score) sometimes it's successful sometimes it's not e.g. The Steelers.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

That is more a compliment to how good the Steelers are and how there's hope for this Sunday than anything else...

No!!! No!!! No!!! The Steelers had Charlie Batch. So the Ravens should have shredded the Steelers D for 380 yards and 38 points.

/sacrasm off

I am not in any way excusing the Ravens offense - they had one of their worst showings on Sunday. They will need to do better against some weaker defenses.

**kojo** · 12-04-2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Not surprisingly, I disagree. The Ravens approach each week the same, take as few risk as possible and hope the other team makes mistakes.

It's barely gotten us by. So Sunday's Sunday's game is not an indictment of Cam, it's just our approach (cam/Harbaugh's) caught up with us.

Meanwhile, the Skins call a similar game each week (try to score, score, score) sometimes it's successful sometimes it's not e.g. The Steelers.

All the passing plays and the deep balls werent risky to you? Aren't people upset at Cam for not using rice enough, shouldn't that be less risky? We'll just agree to disagree here.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-04-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

All the passing plays and the deep balls werent risky to you? Aren't people upset at Cam for not using rice enough, shouldn't that be less risky? We'll just agree to disagree here.

Where is the risk in running 40 yards down the filed with 1 on 1 coverage and chucking it up there?

**kojo** · 12-04-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Where is the risk in running 40 yards down the filed with 1 on 1 coverage and chucking it up there?

Same as with other long passing plays or the roll out across body throws: It gets picked off or in the development of the play you get a sack fumble...both of those happened Sunday. That was one of the things the TV commentators was mentioning was how the ravens learned from the first Steeler game and were adjustong, trying to go for big plays even mentioning that Cam was coaching the D in practice to act like polamalu.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-04-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by kojo

All the passing plays and the deep balls werent risky to you? Aren't people upset at Cam for not using rice enough, shouldn't that be less risky? We'll just agree to disagree here.

Throwing the football 40-50 yards down field = if it's intercepted, it's basically a punt. Plus, most of the time those are down the sideline where it'll have a good chance of landing out of bounds. We rarely throw the football deep over the middle or anywhere else over the middle for that matter. This is a low-risk offense.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-04-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

Throwing the football 40-50 yards down field = if it's intercepted, it's basically a punt. Plus, most of the time those are down the sideline where it'll have a good chance of landing out of bounds. We rarely throw the football deep over the middle or anywhere else over the middle for that matter. This is a low-risk offense.

Exactly. Running 1 on 1 down the sideline for 40 yds is a low risk in terms of avoiding a turnover. If you run 10 cut in front of the safety and behind the Linebacker - that's risky. And who knows it could be successful when your hardly or ever (if ever) do it.