John Harbaugh

**Random Thoughts** · 12-04-2012, 08:00 AM

After reading http://russellstreetreport.com/raven...ust-in-flacco/, I thought of John Harbaugh. We have been calling for Cam's head, but we should put Harbaugh under the microscope.

Yes, I am mindful of his records; however, I think it is the testimony of the talents on the roster (including some great coaches/coordinators) rather than his coaching acumen. Admittedly, I do not have inside source nor do I know what is going on behind the scene. However, I find it troubling that this football team does not trust its best offensive players (be it Flacco or Ray Rice) down the stretch during a trying time. We can point our fingers at Cam Cameron, but the buck stops with the head coach.

I think this season, particularly last Sunday, has clearly been the "lack of execution" on John's part. Does he even hold his coaches accountable as he holds certain players accountable?

Is the lack of imagination or identity on our team a reflection of the leadership at helm, which is John?

Your thoughts?

**kronusthebonus** · 12-04-2012, 08:01 AM

I think John Harbaugh better have one of those defining "Billick" moments of clarity and make some changes fast or this team is going down the shitter fast.

**Random Thoughts** · 12-04-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by kronusthebonus

I think John Harbaugh better have one of those defining "Billick" moments of clarity and make some changes fast or this team is going down the shitter fast.

What is a "Billick" moment?

**Terpsfan82** · 12-04-2012, 08:09 AM

I posted this in another thread and I think it bears repeating. Does anyone here for a second believe Harbaugh could have led the Ravens to victory over a Roethlisberger led Steelers team at Heinz field with Tyrod Taylor or Curtis Painter at starting Qb? Especially with a division title at stake? I say no way.

**kronusthebonus** · 12-04-2012, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Random Thoughts

What is a "Billick" moment?

Shitcanning your OC mid season. Radically change how your offense operates (ala 2000)

Give Billick credit, he wasn't afraid to change shit on the fly.

**wickedsolo** · 12-04-2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I posted this in another thread and I think it bears repeating. Does anyone here for a second believe Harbaugh could have led the Ravens to victory over a Roethlisberger led Steelers team at Heinz field with Tyrod Taylor or Curtis Painter at starting Qb? Especially with a division title at stake? I say no way.

I don't believe so.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I posted this in another thread and I think it bears repeating. Does anyone here for a second believe Harbaugh could have led the Ravens to victory over a Roethlisberger led Steelers team at Heinz field with Tyrod Taylor or Curtis Painter at starting Qb? Especially with a division title at stake? I say no way.

If Pittsburgh had a below-average defense, with injuries to key players, yes, he could.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by kronusthebonus

Give Billick credit, he wasn't afraid to change shit on the fly.

Wow. Just wow.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-04-2012, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

If Pittsburgh had a below-average defense, with injuries to key players, yes, he could.

I'm talking this year. With the same teams.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I'm talking this year. With the same teams.

Probably not. But then again, if the Ravens defense was better, I doubt that Batch/Tomlin win, either. Tomlin and Harbaugh are in completely different scenarios with where there teams are at in terms of injuries and strengths/weaknesses.

Put another way, when both teams were at full strength, Harbaugh has won his fair share of games with Tomlin.

**RAPHENS** · 12-04-2012, 09:25 AM

We are dealing with major injuries to our best players on defense (Webb/Ray/Suggs) and their backups (J. Smith/Ellerbe). That is a major depth issue for us where we have 3rd stringers starting. But the Steelers have depth issues as well on offensive line, at running back and obviously at QB where they are starting 3rd stringers. The one thing that I take away from it all is that Tomlin is getting much more out of his 3rd stringers than Harbaugh is.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by RAPHENS

The one thing that I take away from it all is that Tomlin is getting much more out of his 3rd stringers than Harbaugh is.

Too bad his record doesn't reflect it...

**RavensDomination** · 12-04-2012, 10:30 AM

I like Harbs, but I wonder if he has hit his ceiling. Not sure if he is that guy who can take us to the promised land anymore.

**iggyman555** · 12-04-2012, 10:48 AM

lol the dude is a special teams coach trying to coach one of the most talented teams in the NFL (last few years - minus injuries)
imagine how good we would of been if we had a better coach who knew what he was doing

**Jsmoove** · 12-04-2012, 10:51 AM

harbaugh needs to get his ass reamed for the perfomance of this team and his coordinators this year, also this dog house bullshit needs to stop, it was cute for a couple years but now its not putting the best talent on the field to make us succeed consistently.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-04-2012, 10:52 AM

So the successes are all a function of player talent but the failures are all on the coaches?

Pass to the left please and please wipe off the drool ....

**JohnBKistler** · 12-04-2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

also this dog house bullshit needs to stop, it was cute for a couple years but now its not putting the best talent on the field to make us succeed consistently.

And which players are these?

**Jsmoove** · 12-04-2012, 10:56 AM

isn't it the coaches job to put his players in situation to succeed? Pleas explain with thhe talent or lack there of we have right now are the caoches maximizing it to the best of its ability?

**Terpsfan82** · 12-04-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Probably not. But then again, if the Ravens defense was better, I doubt that Batch/Tomlin win, either. Tomlin and Harbaugh are in completely different scenarios with where there teams are at in terms of injuries and strengths/weaknesses.

Put another way, when both teams were at full strength, Harbaugh has won his fair share of games with Tomlin.

Again, I posed that scenario to illustrate what I believe to be the difference between the two coaches. Tomlin, when his team was backed into a corner, down to the third string quarterback, on the road against a bitter division rival and having just lost to said team two weeks prior, found a way to win. I don't think Harbaugh would have been able to do the same thing.

**Jsmoove** · 12-04-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

And which players are these?

Mckinney needs to start at LT its a better option that Oher, which would free KO to LG and Oher back at RT the strength of KO would help Birk tremendously along with yanda.