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  1. #25
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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...



    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    Put pressure on this coaching staff and they'll often brain lock, they'll choke.

    When we win those dramatic games by driving down the field to score the winning TD or FG, or hold onto a slim lead through our defense, it's usually the players making big plays/stops, and almost never because of a brilliant decision or adjustment by our coaches.

    They're the Tony Romo of coaches.
    Oh. But it's Harbaugh's fault that Kruger drew a roughing the passer penalty that put the Steelers in field goal range on that last drive. It is Harbaugh's fault that Flacco throws the ball into double or triple coverage. If it's the players that make the plays it is also the players that blow the plays.




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Oh. But it's Harbaugh's fault that Kruger drew a roughing the passer penalty that put the Steelers in field goal range on that last drive. It is Harbaugh's fault that Flacco throws the ball into double or triple coverage. If it's the players that make the plays it is also the players that blow the plays.
    I just watched the replay on NFL network, there were definitely plays that we just missed (read:the players messed up). BUT those are the plays we seem to consistently missing. That's were coaching needs to come in and it just hasn't changed. We keep doing the same thing over and over and keep missing the same shit.
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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Point I'm trying to make is that everyone needs a little perspective. I know most of our wins haven't been pretty. But we're still 9-3. Every team has a couple of games where they just collapse.

    I know most people think losing to Batch at home is unacceptable, but horrible losses like that aren't uncommon nor are they a total indictment of how good a coach and his staff is.

    Everyone needs to breathe.
    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    We lost to JAX and Seattle last year. We were Evans remembering how to squeeze a football from the Super Bowl.

    This lost sucks, but it didn't end our playoff chances.

    Yes, every good team has bad losses or close wins they had to eek out. I agree. The problem is that every good or great team also has stretches where they seem dominant and play 60 minutes of solid football for multiple games throughout a season...even teams that have had average regular seasons and caught fire at the end like the Giants have a few games where they put it all together. The Ravens have one game this year that they played 60 minutes of solid football against a good team (week 1 against Cincinnati) and on top of that it was on opening night against a divisional opponent on national tv shortly after their beloved previous owner died. Their emotions were sky high. You can make arguments for the Oakland game or New England but honestly in both games the defense wasn't great and the offense had their normal stretches of inconsistency and multiple three and outs. They've had zero games that they played solid for 60 minutes on the road this year. They have yet to play another game really well in all three facets in the 11 games since. We might have had some really bad performances against Jacksonville and Seattle last year, but we also put in some really good performances against good teams. We had games last year on the road where they stunk it up but never where the difference in play was so alarming. We also had a better defense and a ton less injuries last year.

    Having said this I'm not saying it's inevitable that the Ravens will lose all four of the rest of their games, but I'm also not going to put the purple glasses on and pretend this team has as good a shot of going to the SB as they did last year... or that they are as good right now as a other top teams in the league. Yes they still have time to turn it around but honestly if a team makes the same mistakes over and over and is getting bit by the injury bug time and time again it doesn't make me feel very optimistic or shrug it off as just a bad loss and they'll be alright come playoff time.
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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    I wonder if any Patriots fans said "We just lost to Kevin Kolb at home. How are we going to win the division?"

    Look, I want to see some coaching changes as well but this team isn't going to tailspin and go 0-4. There's a chance they could limp in but they should at least get one home game and once you're in, anything can happen. Either way, this February I'm hoping to see a Lombardi or Cam loading up a U-Haul...I won't hold my breath.




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    It's funny, had just a play or two gone our way, had we scratched out just a few points, our fans would be on top of the world, and Steeler's Nation would be in meltdown mode right now.




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Still a lot of good football games left. It ain't over til the Steelers fan's wife sings.

    The Ravens can show us what they have with a couple of playoff bound teams on the schedule. If they can beat Denver and the Giants the band wagon will fill right back up. If not? Well, that 9-2 record sure was pretty. Too bad no one will remember it come January.

    I hope they can at least manage to go 3-1. Beat the scrub Redskins and pretender Bungles, and split with the bobbsey twins.




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Last I checked we do win way more than we lose and have gone deep in playoffs every year under Harbs. So the team is doing exactly what they SHOULD be doing, but for some people, that's not good enough. Despite being a dropped pass from the SuperBowl last year and having the second best record in the AFC this year, people are calling for wholesale coaching firings and for our QB to be replaced. That's spoiled. Plain and simple. It's a shitty, entitled, and unreasonable way to be a fan.
    I find it funny that you had to point out his post was basically a description of the Ravens the past 4-5 years.
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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Last I checked we do win way more than we lose and have gone deep in playoffs every year under Harbs. So the team is doing exactly what they SHOULD be doing, but for some people, that's not good enough. Despite being a dropped pass from the SuperBowl last year and having the second best record in the AFC this year, people are calling for wholesale coaching firings and for our QB to be replaced. That's spoiled. Plain and simple. It's a shitty, entitled, and unreasonable way to be a fan.
    I don't see too many people calling for any of that. The Ravens offense stinks. For the past few seasons the Ravens have spent a lot of free agent money and high round picks to shore up the offensive unit. They have historically been a defensive team and won a lot of games with the defense first approach. Now that the offense has been getting all this offseason attention what have the results been? Little to no improvement in the overall rankings. Cam needs to go. Its as simple as that.

    Its too early to ship off old man Mattison part deux. And he hasn't had a lot to work with through all the big named high dollar injuries. Harbaugh is secure, he isn't going anywhere. Flacco has been crowned and no one is taking his throne. Even if he never really earned it. He has been good enough, but the offense is stagnant. So its him or Cam taking the fall this off season, and the smart money will be on Cam.




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Last I checked we do win way more than we lose and have gone deep in playoffs every year under Harbs. So the team is doing exactly what they SHOULD be doing, but for some people, that's not good enough. Despite being a dropped pass from the SuperBowl last year and having the second best record in the AFC this year, people are calling for wholesale coaching firings and for our QB to be replaced. That's spoiled. Plain and simple. It's a shitty, entitled, and unreasonable way to be a fan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    I don't see too many people calling for any of that. The Ravens offense stinks. For the past few seasons the Ravens have spent a lot of free agent money and high round picks to shore up the offensive unit. They have historically been a defensive team and won a lot of games with the defense first approach. Now that the offense has been getting all this offseason attention what have the results been? Little to no improvement in the overall rankings. Cam needs to go. Its as simple as that.

    Its too early to ship off old man Mattison part deux. And he hasn't had a lot to work with through all the big named high dollar injuries. Harbaugh is secure, he isn't going anywhere. Flacco has been crowned and no one is taking his throne. Even if he never really earned it. He has been good enough, but the offense is stagnant. So its him or Cam taking the fall this off season, and the smart money will be on Cam.
    Well, there are several merged threads with many posters supporting the firing of Cam and Harbaugh, and there are threads questioning if Flacco is still the QB to get the team to a Super Bowl, along with a couple of blog posts. So I guess I see a lot of people calling for a lot of changes. The only person, so far, to really escape the wrath is Newsome, and should the Ravens falter down the stretch, calls for his head will surely start.

    I do agree with you that barring a deep playoff run, Cam is most likely gone, and I am not sure anything less than a Super Bowl appearance would save his job. The problem is that Flacco is in his contract year, and the Ravens really don't know what they have at the position. Is he the average to slightly above average QB (that is maddeningly inconsistent) that we've seen since the beginning of last season? Or is he a truly top-10 QB with elite potential that only needs to get out of Cam's system to survive (like some others)?. I don't know. The big problem is that the Ravens probably don't know either.

    I - like many - thought that Cam would be gone last off-season and this year the Ravens and Flacco could see what they could do under another's system. The ideal scenario would have been for Flacco to thrive under a new system, propelling the offense to greater heights thereby off-setting was was expected to be a weaker defense, and giving him justification to seek his top-10 QB contract.

    Unfortunately, what I speculate is that when Pagano got hired by the Colts, I just think that Harbaugh/Newsome did not want to go into the season with massive schema changes on both sides of the ball. So Cam stayed, Flacco has plateaued, and here we are...




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I just watched the replay on NFL network, there were definitely plays that we just missed (read:the players messed up). BUT those are the plays we seem to consistently missing. That's were coaching needs to come in and it just hasn't changed. We keep doing the same thing over and over and keep missing the same shit.
    That's not the point I am trying to make. If you blame the coaches for the stuff that the players constantly do wrong, shouldn't they get credit for the stuff that the players constantly do right?




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    That's not the point I am trying to make. If you blame the coaches for the stuff that the players constantly do wrong, shouldn't they get credit for the stuff that the players constantly do right?
    I said it Monday morning. I have been a "Cam must go" guy for a year now, but on Sunday, I thought the gameplan was pretty decent and there were plays, quite of few of them, that were there to be made and weren't. Easily Flacco and the offense's worst home performance in quite some time....




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    Re: The Giants lost to the Bengals, the 49ers to the Rams, and the Steelers to Oakland and Tennessee...

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    That's not the point I am trying to make. If you blame the coaches for the stuff that the players constantly do wrong, shouldn't they get credit for the stuff that the players constantly do right?
    I mean... I guess, but when something works and you know it works and you keep doing it, that's the job.

    The job is also, when something is not working, find away to make it work or change it altogether. That's not or does not appear to be happening from what I see on TV, unless or until it's late in the game and it's too close for comfort or we're down and need to score NOW.
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