NFL.com throws Harbaugh and Cameron under the bus in their "Shame Report"

**TL24x7** · 12-05-2012, 08:15 AM

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**iggyman555** · 12-05-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by TL24x7

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players have to execute better LOL

**Ravens44** · 12-05-2012, 10:18 AM

Can't view the video. What does it say?

**bensmotorcyclehelmt** · 12-05-2012, 10:32 AM

Forget throwing them under the bus.
They should have it parked on them for those lousy gameplans last week!

**Sua Sponte** · 12-05-2012, 01:45 PM

Several retired players and media outlets have been bashing Cameron's system for the last 2 years, but it is really bad this year.

**houstonravensfan** · 12-05-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sua Sponte

Several retired players and media outlets have been bashing Cameron's system for the last 2 years, but it is really bad this year.

I'm in Houston, so not closely attuned to the inner workings, but I have to ask: is Bisciotti impervious to all this? Is the average casual fan (as opposed to us on the boards) pretty passive, or is there a general unhappiness about Cam?

**s.r.genovese** · 12-05-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

I'm in Houston, so not closely attuned to the inner workings, but I have to ask: is Bisciotti impervious to all this? Is the average casual fan (as opposed to us on the boards) pretty passive, or is there a general unhappiness about Cam?

Fans have very little effect on overall decision making when it comes to the organization.

Bisciotti is too smart to listen to the mob all the time. But this time, I think the mob is right.

**Sua Sponte** · 12-05-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by s.r.genovese

Fans have very little effect on overall decision making when it comes to the organization.

Bisciotti is too smart to listen to the mob all the time. But this time, I think the mob is right.

There becomes a time when you don't feed the mob and the mob starts to thin out.
The fans are becoming irritable with the way this system has been working for the past 4 years (I'll go 3 years given the run first O when Joe was a Rook).
You can only give someone so many chances to improve in a professional business. If this was a sales and marketing business it have been bankrupt because Cam's system would have been to advertise in local newspapers, free fliers and milk cartons. He would have ignored the changing society and would refuse to advertise on social media sites (like this), commercials and the internet.
Bottom Line is he would have been fired 2 years ago with his sputtering and ancient approach.

**ActualSpamBot** · 12-05-2012, 06:24 PM

The NFL didn't throw us under the bus in their shame report. Dave Dameshek did. That guy is an avowed Steelers fan who also shamed the Ravens last week for converting the 4th and 29. Yes... you read that right. Converting a 4th and 29 was shame worthy for some reason that I still don't understand. He has literally never gone a week without including a Raven in the Shame Report and he admits that he does it because he's a Steeler fan who hates us.

**StingerNLG** · 12-05-2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

The NFL didn't throw us under the bus in their shame report. Dave Dameshek did. That guy is an avowed Steelers fan who also shamed the Ravens last week for converting the 4th and 29. Yes... you read that right. Converting a 4th and 29 was shame worthy for some reason that I still don't understand. He has literally never gone a week without including a Raven in the Shame Report and he admits that he does it because he's a Steeler fan who hates us.

Hate to say it ASB, but that doesn't make him wrong on this one.

**Justlovemybirds** · 12-05-2012, 06:38 PM

Right as is for this one, the nasally voice and unabashed Stiller ball-washing annoys me too much to watch.

**admartian** · 12-05-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Hate to say it ASB, but that doesn't make him wrong on this one.

He's not wrong for shaming a 4th and 29 conversion?

Don't like the guy and not because he's a steeler fan (that part he actually keeps pretty even handed at times). In fact, I think 99% of sports analysts are just reaction-pokers paid to troll the public so they get hits.

No honour in this.

**ActualSpamBot** · 12-05-2012, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Hate to say it ASB, but that doesn't make him wrong on this one.

Blind squirrel found an acorn. It's only on this message board because right now 85% of the fan base is lined up ready to jump off a cliff so every single talking head out there who is willing to shit on this team is going to be received warmly. Everyone knew this guy was a hack last week, but this week he's the voice of the NFL because he's feeding into existing fan fears.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-05-2012, 07:35 PM

More like blind nut that found a squirrel.

Damashek's a tool, he's not wrong just this one time for once, but he's still a tool.

**ed from Bel Air** · 12-06-2012, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by s.r.genovese

Fans have very little effect on overall decision making when it comes to the organization.

Bisciotti is too smart to listen to the mob all the time. But this time, I think the mob is right.

Listen I love Bisciotti. He let's Cass and Ozzie run the team. He is not in the papers every week. He is not a horse's ass like Jerry Jones, that idiot Irsay, or Daniel Snyder (although Snyder has been better lately). But he does listen to his customers. He fired Billick, I think, after he said he would keep him because the fans got tired of the lack of offense that year, his belief that Billick's message had gotten stale, and the team's dreadful performance down the stretch 5 years ago. there was a true groundswell of indignation after the Seattle debacle , and I think that is what did in Billick.

Bisciotti isn't going to say anything publicly. He is too classy for that, But he does have the pulse of the community. At some point he will simply go to Harbaugh and say "John this offense is not working. Are you going to take care of this, or am I?" If we melt down in these 4 games it will happen.

**rharris1986** · 12-06-2012, 07:03 AM

The Ravens deluded themselves this year - thinking that they were ONLY one dropped pass away from the Superbowl - when the reality was quite different. I think the people on the outside looking in had a better perspective on reality. The wheels are about to fall off the cart.

I can't conceive of the offense that took 9 points (3 field goals in a win) to Kansas City and 6 points to Pittsburgh (with no offensive touchdowns in that win) and their other "road game gems" this year winning in Washington or Cinci (so we're looking at two losses right there.

The Manning Brothers and their short passing prowess will eat the Ravens defense alive in the other two games - so don't expect any game balls to be distributed there. That leaves the Ravens at 9W and 7L and maybe out of the playoffs.

That also leave Cam with a one way ticket to Billick land.

**leachisabeast** · 12-06-2012, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by rharris1986

The Ravens deluded themselves this year - thinking that they were ONLY one dropped pass away from the Superbowl - when the reality was quite different. I think the people on the outside looking in had a better perspective on reality. The wheels are about to fall off the cart.

I can't conceive of the offense that took 9 points (3 field goals in a win) to Kansas City and 6 points to Pittsburgh (with no offensive touchdowns in that win) and their other "road game gems" this year winning in Washington or Cinci (so we're looking at two losses right there.

The Manning Brothers and their short passing prowess will eat the Ravens defense alive in the other two games - so don't expect any game balls to be distributed there. That leaves the Ravens at 9W and 7L and maybe out of the playoffs.

That also leave Cam with a one way ticket to Billick land.

You've been saying crap like this all year, and it still has yet to happen...

Do you even root for the Ravens?

**s.r.genovese** · 12-06-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by ed from Bel Air

Bisciotti isn't going to say anything publicly. He is too classy for that, But he does have the pulse of the community. At some point he will simply go to Harbaugh and say "John this offense is not working. Are you going to take care of this, or am I?" If we melt down in these 4 games it will happen.

I agree. He toes the line of being a meddling owner and a proactive owner well. I'm guessing Bisciotti is getting as tired of it as we are.

**Ravens27Girl** · 12-06-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by ed from Bel Air

Bisciotti isn't going to say anything publicly. He is too classy for that, But he does have the pulse of the community. At some point he will simply go to Harbaugh and say "John this offense is not working. Are you going to take care of this, or am I?" If we melt down in these 4 games it will happen.

So as fans, that's quite a predicament to be in. Do we hope for these wins or do we hope to lose to assure Cam's departure? Don't get me wrong, I can never hope to lose but there would be an upside to it possibly. A win-win for us fans either way.

**HKusp** · 12-06-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

You've been saying crap like this all year, and it still has yet to happen...

Do you even root for the Ravens?

Try not to quote him please. As for Biscotti. He is on record as saying that the main reason the Ravens have been to the playoff's the last 4 seasons is because of Flacco, so if it isn't Joe it is going to have to be a coach that takes the fall.