Wednesday's Injury Status Report: Ravens @ Redskins

**TL24x7** · 12-05-2012, 07:13 PM

RAVENS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE: TE Ed Dickson (knee); LB Dannell Ellerbe (ankle, knee, finger); LB Terrell Suggs (biceps); LIMITED PARTICIPATION: LB Josh Bynes (thigh); S James Ihedigbo (calf); CB Chris Johnson (thigh); WR Jacoby Jones (ankle); S Ed Reed (shoulder); CB Jimmy Smith (abs); FULL PARTICIPATION: CB Chykie Brown (ankle); FB Vonta Leach (ankle); DE Pernell McPhee (thigh); S Bernard Pollard (chest)

REDSKINS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE: LB London Fletcher (ankle); CB DeAngelo Hall (ankle/knee); T Trent Williams (thigh); FULL PARTICIPATION: WR Pierre Garcon (foot); P Sav Rocca (right knee); CB Josh Wilson (shoulder)

**Section 502 Raven** · 12-05-2012, 08:09 PM

we need ellerbe or we're toast

**houstonravensfan** · 12-05-2012, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven

we need ellerbe or we're toast

How our opinions on Ellerbe have changed. Another UDFA . . .

**Coastergenius** · 12-06-2012, 07:34 AM

Hopefully this is just part of Harbaugh's classic exaggeration and nothing to be taken seriously.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-06-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

How our opinions on Ellerbe have changed. Another UDFA . . .

Lol, true. Everyone was singing McClain praises last year.

**wickedsolo** · 12-06-2012, 07:57 AM

I think Chuck Pagano knew how to use McClain better than Pees does.

**The Excellector** · 12-06-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think Chuck Pagano knew how to use McClain better than Pees does.

I think Pagano knew how to do a lot of things better than Pees does.

**Sua Sponte** · 12-06-2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Lol, true. Everyone was singing McClain praises last year.

I never thought McLame was any good, he didn't make many plays last year and he seems to never be around the ball this year as a starting ILB. This guy is never around the ball making plays. Once in a great while he"ll make a good tackle. He is a ILB, fumbles and the occasional INT or PD normal just find them, but not this guy.

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 12-06-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Lol, true. Everyone was singing McClain praises last year.

Like Oher, McClain's career would appear to run in no small part on "character issues." He had a similarly harrowing childhood. They gave Jameel the radio helmet @ ILB (Ray's chair) when Ray went down last season, but McClain did out perform Ellerbe in 2011. I know nothing about the relative Wonderlich scores and film study habits between Ellerbe & McClain, In, fairness to Dannell, you had to actually be on the field to perform. The one clear difference between them is that Ellerbe has been doghoused (for things like on-field PFs or missing team meetings, IIRC). So under the Mighty Men doctrine, any tie goes to McClain.

Ask Bryant McKinnie how it works...

As for the injury list. good to see McPhee moving steadily to more playing time (at least he'll be fresh in pass rush or run support). There will be secrets kept this week for sure (Suggsy alone will lead to that). I think there is a good chance of hyperbole and/or misrepresentation on the injury reports this week.

**RAPHENS** · 12-06-2012, 11:26 AM

I've never been that high no mclain either. Frankly, thought he was a better fit at OLB. Ellerbe has always played well when he's gotten playing time.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-06-2012, 11:48 AM

seems to me that McClain was solid in tackles last year but has fallen off this year. I may go back and look at his numbers but from the eye test that's my initial take.

any word on whether Fletcher or Hall will play?

**NOLARavenFAN** · 12-06-2012, 11:59 AM

C'mon Ellerbee was always the man......they didn't like his work habits or something about the dreds. Offense has to step up Sunday or we are toast...

**GOTA** · 12-06-2012, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think Chuck Pagano knew how to use McClain better than Pees does.

I agree. McClain was a lot better last year. Now he seems completely lost.

**Coastergenius** · 12-06-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

seems to me that McClain was solid in tackles last year but has fallen off this year. I may go back and look at his numbers but from the eye test that's my initial take.

any word on whether Fletcher or Hall will play?

All sources say he expects to play. I think that we really need to have Smith test Hall's ankle this week.

**Section 502 Raven** · 12-06-2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Coastergenius

All sources say he expects to play. I think that we really need to have Smith test Hall's ankle this week.

the flacco/smith combination is in a slump. smith is not making the tough catch and flacco is wildly inaccurate on the deep ball. ii was hoping the combination would be getting better but they are getting worse.

i watched nfl rewind of the game. flacco had a visible smirk on his face after smith did not make a play in the endone.

**landspeed** · 12-06-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

How our opinions on Ellerbe have changed. Another UDFA . . .

hes always been a beast whenever hes played for us. Never really understood the hate for him.

he never got to play, cause ya know, the doghouse and everything.

over showboating on a pick 6 in a PRE SEASON game.

**wickedsolo** · 12-06-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

Like Oher, McClain's career would appear to run in no small part on "character issues." He had a similarly harrowing childhood. They gave Jameel the radio helmet @ ILB (Ray's chair) when Ray went down last season, but McClain did out perform Ellerbe in 2011. I know nothing about the relative Wonderlich scores and film study habits between Ellerbe & McClain, In, fairness to Dannell, you had to actually be on the field to perform. The one clear difference between them is that Ellerbe has been doghoused (for things like on-field PFs or missing team meetings, IIRC). So under the Mighty Men doctrine, any tie goes to McClain.

Ask Bryant McKinnie how it works...

As for the injury list. good to see McPhee moving steadily to more playing time (at least he'll be fresh in pass rush or run support). There will be secrets kept this week for sure (Suggsy alone will lead to that). I think there is a good chance of hyperbole and/or misrepresentation on the injury reports this week.

Originally Posted by landspeed

hes always been a beast whenever hes played for us. Never really understood the hate for him.

he never got to play, cause ya know, the doghouse and everything.

over showboating on a pick 6 in a PRE SEASON game.

God forbid that maybe Ellerbe just took longer to develop, didn't perform well in practice and THOSE were the real reasons why he didn't play.

The whole doghouse criticism is unfounded and tired.

There are plenty of things to go after Harbaugh about, but the whole doghouse bs was thought up by the fanbase who was pissed off because "their" players weren't seeing the field in lieu of other guys...because we as fans have so much insight into the players and how they perform at practice...

**LukeDaniel** · 12-06-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Lol, true. Everyone was singing McClain praises last year.

Really? I can't remember a single person here who said anything all that special about him. The comments we got on him was that he was the 11th best starter on defense and the most easily replaceable. There was a bit of an outburst of relief when we re-signed him, but I think that was predicated more on finally keeping one of our own after watching Grubbs, JJ, Zibby, Ruki, and Redding all land elsewhere.

If I remember correctly, didn't the whole Ellerbe doghouse thing start when he returned a fumble/INT for a TD in the preseason last year and did a flip into the end zone? It seemed like his status from that point on was doomed, and he was even mentioned as a possible casualty of the last round of cut downs. Anyone else remember this?

**landspeed** · 12-06-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

God forbid that maybe Ellerbe just took longer to develop, didn't perform well in practice and THOSE were the real reasons why he didn't play.

The whole doghouse criticism is unfounded and tired.

There are plenty of things to go after Harbaugh about, but the whole doghouse bs was thought up by the fanbase who was pissed off because "their" players weren't seeing the field in lieu of other guys...because we as fans have so much insight into the players and how they perform at practice...

What are you talking about?

Willis McGahee literally confirmed that there is a doghouse and he was apart of it.

Anyway, he didnt take longer to develop. Whenever hes on the field, he makes plays and its always been that way with him. Raiders game in 2010 comes to mind...

**landspeed** · 12-06-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

Really? I can't remember a single person here who said anything all that special about him. The comments we got on him was that he was the 11th best starter on defense and the most easily replaceable. There was a bit of an outburst of relief when we re-signed him, but I think that was predicated more on finally keeping one of our own after watching Grubbs, JJ, Zibby, Ruki, and Redding all land elsewhere.

If I remember correctly, didn't the whole Ellerbe doghouse thing start when he returned a fumble/INT for a TD in the preseason last year and did a flip into the end zone? It seemed like his status from that point on was doomed, and he was even mentioned as a possible casualty of the last round of cut downs. Anyone else remember this?

Yep, this was exactly my issue.

He showboated on a preseason pick 6. PRE SEASON.

Ever since, hes been in the dog house.