Norv Turner, Welcome to Baltimore

**leachisabeast** · 12-07-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yea, but now that Flacco has a lot of experience against a lot of tough defenses, bringing in a young/1st time offensive coordinator may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Karl Dorrell would be my choice too, I would love that move.

**Rxdoxx** · 12-07-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dade

Cam's weakness is not the system. It's his inability to adjustment and his lack of creative play calls that has held this offense back.

In that regard, Norv is an improvement.

Truth in all of that! But....

I can see it now, we are at 4th and goal from about the 3 and Norv calls for a hand off to Rice and the other team's Ray Lewis equivalent knows exactly what the OC is going to be calling and stops the play dead for a game-losing loss.

Bring in Norval? No, please no.... he would be a slight improvement over Malcolm, but Ray Lewis showed us that we don't want him either. Norv adapts better but is still predictable

There is an article on the front where Malcolm is admitting that the ball wasn't run enough....
I'm aggravated by this....it is the same bullsh*t I heard a year ago after the Seattle game Ray 5 rushes for 27 yards. and Ricky Williams tossed in 3 for 8 yards. Of course David Reed had 1 for 16yds and Torrey also had 1 for 16yds.
I heard it last year, I'm hearing it again this year, and we will hear it next year if Malcolm stays.

Its time for leadership (which is not reaction or over-reaction), time for Steve Bisciotti to make an off season move.... he found Harbs who I don't really have much of a problem with as a HC, time for Steve to guide the ship to an OC

**saintmatthew** · 12-07-2012, 09:40 AM

Wonder if Jason Garrett would be available next year....

So, for all the "let's fire Cam" people (and I've felt that too, lemme tell you) how would they feel knowing that vacancies in the staff here have traditionally been filled from in house via promotion, etc, meaning you could get the drunk for an OC instead?

**Bhcforlife** · 12-07-2012, 09:49 AM

I'm glad to see Pat Shurmur getting some mentions in here. That's the guy I would want. When you look at Cleveland's talent offensively, they seem to be better than they should be, albeit maybe not statistically. I was impressed with the stuff they did in that first game here this year, a game they should have won, and also with how they played between the 20's in the second game, a game they also could have won. They stay committed to running the ball and they work off that in the passing game...how the Ravens should be playing offense. I would be pleased if they brought in Shurmur.

Concerning Norv...no. If they are going to break from Cam, break from that system entirely and go a different direction.

**Paintballguy** · 12-07-2012, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

I'm glad to see Pat Shurmur getting some mentions in here. That's the guy I would want. When you look at Cleveland's talent offensively, they seem to be better than they should be, albeit maybe not statistically. I was impressed with the stuff they did in that first game here this year, a game they should have won, and also with how they played between the 20's in the second game, a game they also could have won. They stay committed to running the ball and they work off that in the passing game...how the Ravens should be playing offense. I would be pleased if they brought in Shurmur.

Concerning Norv...no. If they are going to break from Cam, break from that system entirely and go a different direction.

I'm liking the Shurmur option more and more. He also did some good things with Bradford.

**bmorecareful** · 12-07-2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by saintmatthew

Wonder if Jason Garrett would be available next year....

So, for all the "let's fire Cam" people (and I've felt that too, lemme tell you) how would they feel knowing that vacancies in the staff here have traditionally been filled from in house via promotion, etc, meaning you could get the drunk for an OC instead?

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

**wickedsolo** · 12-07-2012, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

Jim Caldwell would be the obvious choice if they decide to stay in house.

**iggyman555** · 12-07-2012, 10:03 AM

PLEASE PAY JAY GRUDEN WHATEVER HE WANTS,.....pretty please

**saintmatthew** · 12-07-2012, 10:05 AM

Unfortunately for me, they don't allow apostrophe's in usernames....

**B-more Ravor** · 12-07-2012, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yea, but now that Flacco has a lot of experience against a lot of tough defenses, bringing in a young/1st time offensive coordinator may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree - depending on who it might be, I guess.

I just think that the Ravens brass is/has been more interested in a veteran OC.

**B-more Ravor** · 12-07-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

PLEASE PAY JAY GRUDEN WHATEVER HE WANTS,.....pretty please

Jay Gruden is under contract with the Bengals for next year, and beyond, so it doesn't matter how much money we may want to offer him!

**wickedsolo** · 12-07-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Jay Gruden is under contract with the Bengals for next year, and beyond, so it doesn't matter how much money we may want to offer him!

And unless he was coming here to be the HC, the Bengals would absolutely block any attempt for a lateral move to a divisional rival.

**RavensNTerps** · 12-07-2012, 10:24 AM

So just curiously, what will the excuses for Flacco be once we have a new OC? Will it be scheme again? Harbaugh's coaching? WRs? or OL?

Just curious.

I do agree that we will see a change in OC. We have to if for no other reason than that is just what happens as a side of the ball grows stagnant. I do not agree that it will inherently lead to better QB play which is the single biggest thing holding this offense back right now.

**Jsmoove** · 12-07-2012, 10:26 AM

fuck no!! don't want him don't want no more CROYELL no MORE AIR CROYELL!!!!

**Thrall** · 12-07-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

Wilbert Montgomery ? I remember him making a suggestion to cam last year that worked, forget the game, and situation though. Always liked him as a player.

**Carey** · 12-07-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree - depending on who it might be, I guess.

I just think that the Ravens brass is/has been more interested in a veteran OC.

I do think experience will be where they'll lean. I think as long as it's someone that brings versatility, aggression, sound adjustments, etc. i wouldn't worry as much about the experience factor calling plays but it's easy for me to type that without being charged to make such a pivotal decision, especially with Flacco's contract looming. That alone makes me think it will be a veteran, as long as it's someone that can add those factors im all for whoever it is, regardless of scheme.

**GOTA** · 12-07-2012, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

And Matt Schaub is?

I agree that he needs to focus on getting the ball out quicker to open guys. The problem is no one is open!

Schaub is pretty mobile in the pocket. He's not going to run for any 1st downs but the Texans move him around a lot. He's most agile than Flacco.

The West Coast Offense makes it easier for guys to get open underneath. No one is open on the Ravens because they only have so receivers they are willing to put in the pattern and they run predictable routes. Instead you sacrifice extra blockers for extra receivers. The Ravens do this on a minor scale with Leach. It's not like Leach is a great route runner but he comes out unexpectedly defenses can't always get to him.

**Ravenalytics** · 12-07-2012, 11:44 AM

I think the team needs to actually FIGURE OUT its philosophy. Are we sure we want to be this new passing attack oriented thing? Or do we want to go back to our roots in the run game (much like the Steelers did this year)?

**Jsmoove** · 12-07-2012, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenalytics

I think the team needs to actually FIGURE OUT its philosophy. Are we sure we want to be this new passing attack oriented thing? Or do we want to go back to our roots in the run game (much like the Steelers did this year)?

this too, when wed rafted flacco this team has been having an identity crisis, we got boldin, torrey and 2 pass catching TEs but then we paid Yanda and aquired leach? what is it? do we run or do we pass? wake comittment already.

**Captain Offense** · 12-07-2012, 11:51 AM

I am not sure they have to pick an "identity". I could live with an offense that has multiple options, depending on the opposition. That requires that the OC knows when and how to use the different parts. And right now, that is the missing piece.