Suggs and Guns

**JohnBKistler** · 12-14-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I just wish someone else besides the murderer had a gun in Newtown today. How sick do you have to be to murder 5 years olds?

I am reeling...I don't understand.

"Gun Free School Zone"

My understanding is that armed parents and grandparents in Israel patrol their childrens' schools and grounds. I guarantee you this would have never happened there...

What a horrible tragedy for those parents and siblings of those lost. An entire classroom...

**wickedsolo** · 12-14-2012, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I just wish someone else besides the murderer had a gun in Newtown today. How sick do you have to be to murder 5 years olds?

I would have put 1 in his head and 1 in his chest without a second thought. Wouldn't even have hesitated.

If there is a hell, you have to think that they reserve a special section for people like him.

**GOTA** · 12-14-2012, 02:39 PM

I live 2 towns away from Newtown. The police sent 5 cars to my son's middle school and 7 cars to my daughter's elementary school. I just wish that someone could have taken this scum out. The police can't stay at the school all the time and it takes long enough for them to get there. It's just horrible

**NCRAVEN** · 12-14-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I would have put 1 in his head and 1 in his chest without a second thought. Wouldn't even have hesitated.

If there is a hell, you have to think that they reserve a special section for people like him.

I don't for one second pretend to be a bad ass, but I am right here with you. I would have done it without hesitation.

**JAB1985** · 12-14-2012, 02:58 PM

I dont pretend to be a badass either but i think in this case even being unarmed a rage would boil over me and attempt to inflict as much pain as possible or die trying.

Honestly one to the head is to easy of a way out for the prick.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-14-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

I dont pretend to be a badass either but i think in this case even being unarmed a rage would boil over me and attempt to inflict as much pain as possible or die trying.

Honestly one to the head is to easy of a way out for the prick.

That is true JAB, just thinking about what the parents, teachers, kids etc. are going through makes me wish this dude was still alive so he could get beat with in an inch of his life nightly in prison.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-14-2012, 03:13 PM

I was just commenting to my wife that once we have children of our own, I will be carrying as much as possible. I don't care if it means a change in lifestyle and I know statistically the chances of these types of shootings really happening are infinitesimal.

But I don't care. Even if there's a small chance, I am going to make sure I am prepared to defend my wife and children.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-14-2012, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I was just commenting to my wife that once we have children of our own, I will be carrying as much as possible. I don't care if it means a change in lifestyle and I know statistically the chances of these types of shootings really happening are infinitesimal.

But I don't care. Even if there's a small chance, I am going to make sure I am prepared to defend my wife and children.

Same here. I don't want to seem like some paranoid loon, but I will be prepared.

Once the wife delivers the second one in April she'll learn too.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-14-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I was just commenting to my wife that once we have children of our own, I will be carrying as much as possible. I don't care if it means a change in lifestyle and I know statistically the chances of these types of shootings really happening are infinitesimal.

But I don't care. Even if there's a small chance, I am going to make sure I am prepared to defend my wife and children.

This is completely an understandable, and quite rational, attitude.

Now, square it with "Gun Free School Zones".

I found this tidbit of history interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

So not even the worst elementary school murder. Sadly, the human race has been doing evil forever...

**Sirdowski** · 12-14-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I was just commenting to my wife that once we have children of our own, I will be carrying as much as possible. I don't care if it means a change in lifestyle and I know statistically the chances of these types of shootings really happening are infinitesimal.

But I don't care. Even if there's a small chance, I am going to make sure I am prepared to defend my wife and children.

AMEN.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-14-2012, 05:39 PM

FNC and CNN are pissing me off.

If I hear that the .223 round is a "powerful" round / weapon one more time, I am going to thrown my wine at the TV.

**Dade** · 12-14-2012, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

If I hear that the .223 round is a "powerful" round / weapon one more time, I am going to thrown my wine at the TV.

Thats so dumb, it made my brain hurt.

**wickedsolo** · 12-14-2012, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I don't for one second pretend to be a bad ass, but I am right here with you. I would have done it without hesitation.

Originally Posted by JAB1985

I dont pretend to be a badass either but i think in this case even being unarmed a rage would boil over me and attempt to inflict as much pain as possible or die trying.

Honestly one to the head is to easy of a way out for the prick.

Being a badass has nothing to do with it. I get where you guys are coming from and I'm not going to lie and pretend that I'm spec ops or something, but I can honestly say with conviction that in a situation like this or similar, if it meant protecting my family or kids, I wouldn't think twice about it and I wouldn't be sorry about it either.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-14-2012, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Being a badass has nothing to do with it. I get where you guys are coming from and I'm not going to lie and pretend that I'm spec ops or something, but I can honestly say with conviction that in a situation like this or similar, if it meant protecting my family or kids, I wouldn't think twice about it and I wouldn't be sorry about it either.

In this situation it wouldn't even have to be my kids.

**wickedsolo** · 12-14-2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

In this situation it wouldn't even have to be my kids.

Agreed.

**Sirdowski** · 12-14-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

FNC and CNN are pissing me off.

If I hear that the .223 round is a "powerful" round / weapon one more time, I am going to thrown my wine at the TV.

Dude. Absolutely brutal to listen to.

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not a mouse gun?

**HoustonRaven** · 12-14-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Dude. Absolutely brutal to listen to.

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not a mouse gun?

.223 is used for varmint in the civilian world.

In the military word, the round is used to wound soldiers on the battlefield. The thinking of NATO was to use a less powerful round so that when a soldier was shot and wounded, it would require two more shoulders to then remove the wounded soldier from the field of battle, thus making the enemy even more combat ineffective then if you simply killed the soldier.

**Sirdowski** · 12-14-2012, 09:24 PM

Thanks, I thought so.

Use to always shoot a mini-14 when ever we'd have a friendly competition at my buddies property. I thought I remembered hearing that name thrown around.

Fun little gun to shoot with the iron sights.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-15-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dade

Thats so dumb, it made my brain hurt.

I know you've fired this weapons more than once so you'll appreciate this .....

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**jonboy79** · 12-15-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Thanks, I thought so.

Use to always shoot a mini-14 when ever we'd have a friendly competition at my buddies property. I thought I remembered hearing that name thrown around.

Fun little gun to shoot with the iron sights.

Their verbage is very incorrect. It is a VERY small round, thta travels at a high speed. What that means is that FAR LESS energy is transferred to the target then a standard hand gun round. It will go right through someoen, as opposed to an expanding pistol round slowing down much faster in the body.
HIgh power? No
High sped, yes,.
High penetration - yes.

And the above picture is very poingnat. State laws dictate they carry the same maximum rounds in a clip, etc. The AR is simply more lightweight, and that is about it for most shooters. There are more "cool" attachments and rails to fasten them to, but the firearms themselves are nearly interchangeable. The whole folding/telescoping stocks part of the laws, and their affect on Overall Length are a complete and utter joke. As if that AR is any easier to conceal then the mini-14 with it's stock on hte shortest setting? Heck an AR pistol is not concealment friendly at all.