Game Thread Ravens @ Redskins 12/09

**veritas** · 12-09-2012, 03:44 PM

7 shitty points in the second half doesn't cut it.

**CptJesus** · 12-09-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by veritas

7 shitty points in the second half doesn't cut it.

Letting the redskins drive without any resistance does?

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**wickedsolo** · 12-09-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Gotta beg to differ on that one. Joe needs to move in the pocket and or throw the damn ball. Oher can't block 3 guys at once. If I'm not mistaken the free rusher is the Qb's responsibility.

Oher has a tough enough time blocking one guy.

The free runner, btw, was Jordan Pugh who came on an overload blitz and Flacco was sacked. Bummer, but no harm. The magical INT was KO missing Kerrigan and the sack strip was Oher getting handled by Rob Jackson.

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**Loco Ravens Fan** · 12-09-2012, 03:49 PM

He is not fine by any means and isn't even a second or third tier qb. I am tired of his memorable fumbles when the Ravens have the lead that give the opponents points. Go back to the Pittsburgh game two seasons ago. Everyone saw Troy going to blitz. Joe is hit and fumbles.Pitts wins. Last week, Joe is hit and fumbles. Pitt scores off that fumbel to tie the game.and eventually wins. Today, Joe is hit and stripped of the ball. Redskins get a fg. Hmm, the Ravens lose by a fg! It is now getting to be a pattern!

**RavensRule21215** · 12-09-2012, 03:52 PM

How anyone can see this as anything other than a total team loss is beyond me. Joe has a QB rating of 121, and he's getting dumped on? Un-freakin-believable.

**Sirdowski** · 12-09-2012, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Oher has a tough enough time blocking one guy.

The free runner, btw, was Jordan Pugh who came on an overload blitz and Flacco was sacked. Bummer, but no harm. The magical INT was KO missing Kerrigan and the sack strip was Oher getting handled by Rob Jackson.

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Ahh, thanks for the details. Could be wrong, but that sack strip just seemed like poor pocket presence. If he would have stepped up he could have made the throw.

**Haloti92** · 12-09-2012, 03:53 PM

The sack strip was on Oher, but he pushed the guy deep. It was really just bad luck as well as getting beat. The guy could only reach the ball if Joe just happened to be cocking it back to meet the stretch. If the guy doesn't graze the ball his momentum carries him out of the play a few yards and the ball is likely gone by the time he could back for a sack.

But once again, people here are harping on single plays as if they were occurring all game or equal poor overall performance. Perfect is not the definition of good. Watch any other game, period, and see how many times the LT gets beat that cleanly. Romo sees it 8 times a game. Rodgers 7 times. Vick 9 times. Peyton and Brady throw it in 2-3 seconds tops. We don't have a top 5 LT, but the idea that a guy who is not top-5 means he is the worst is dead wrong. All the completions for TDs were on plays with great protection. And we were gashing them with the run.

**veritas** · 12-09-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by CptJesus

Letting the redskins drive without any resistance does?

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Of course not. Pees is a dumb shit for not bringing pressure when they had to go 80 yards in 3 minutes.

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by CptJesus

Letting the redskins drive without any resistance does?

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Why do you people keep making these issues black and white?

We stopped them on that drive. 3 extremely bad officiating calls extended their last drive. We contained there offense just about the entire 2nd half.

The defense did EVERYTHING that they needed to do. They were tired by the end, our offense was completely horrible in the 2nd half.

SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT DAY

**bmorecareful** · 12-09-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

The sack strip was on Oher, but he pushed the guy deep. It was really just bad luck as well as getting beat. The guy could only reach the ball if Joe just happened to be cocking it back to meet the stretch. If the guy doesn't graze the ball his momentum carries him out of the play a few yards and the ball is likely gone by the time he could back for a sack.

But once again, people here are harping on single plays as if they were occurring all game or equal poor overall performance. Perfect is not the definition of good. Watch any other game, period, and see how many times the LT gets beat that cleanly. Romo sees it 8 times a game. Rodgers 7 times. Vick 9 times. Peyton and Brady throw it in 2-3 seconds tops. We don't have a top 5 LT, but the idea that a guy who is not top-5 means he is the worst is dead wrong. All the completions for TDs were on plays with great protection. And we were gashing them with the run.

I agree with your post. It was just an incredibly bad break for the Ravens. Oher got beat, but the ball was a nanosecond away from coming out. It wasn't even a long drop, just a couple steps back and get the ball out, and it was very close. Just plain unfortunate.

And yeah, Joe's got to get the ball out quicker. He acknowledged his mistake on the INT play, that ball's just got to come out a little quicker.

The problem I have is that Joe gets the ball out quickly and confidently in the no-huddle and the entire team looks better. But when they go back to the traditional offense you've got guys missing blocks, blitzes not getting picked up, and so on. What is going on here? They have GOT to start adjusting and they don't do it.

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Ahh, thanks for the details. Could be wrong, but that sack strip just seemed like poor pocket presence. If he would have stepped up he could have made the throw.

Because, you know, these qbs have eyes in the back of their heads.

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by SmokinPig1

No Please give us a break. yeah the freahin team lost. But... Joe

You have no idea what youre saying. Joe had a 121 rating.

Joe clearly didn't have the freedom in the 2nd a half that he did in the 1st.

A complete night and day difference on offense. The difference is, our defense did what they needed to do in order to adjust.

**Boulderraven** · 12-09-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Oher has a tough enough time blocking one guy.

The free runner, btw, was Jordan Pugh who came on an overload blitz and Flacco was sacked. Bummer, but no harm. The magical INT was KO missing Kerrigan and the sack strip was Oher getting handled by Rob Jackson.

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Actually everytime the Ravens have no one in the backfield and split Ray wide, Teams blitz EVERYIME. As soon as I saw RR line up at WR far left out of the play, i was hoping for a FG attempt. IT NEVER WORKS EMPTY BACKFEILD, you have no one to chip and allows another rusher and negates a spy on the RB.

**Loco Ravens Fan** · 12-09-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

You have no idea what youre saying. Joe had a 121 rating.

Joe clearly didn't have the freedom in the 2nd a half that he did in the 1st.

A complete night and day difference on offense. The difference is, our defense did what they needed to do in order to adjust.

And Joe did just what he does most of the time in away games... one half good to very good and the other half very little points and oh yes turnovers that lead to the other team scoring points and keeping the defense on the field. Joe Flacco has a great arm but his qb IQ stinks!

**Sirdowski** · 12-09-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

Because, you know, these qbs have eyes in the back of their heads.

The classic ridiculous conclusion.

The good ones have pocket presence and know when they're too deep or need to move around. That doesn't take a genetic mutation, just smarts by practicing having a clock in your head. I remember A Rogers talking about how at practice he has giants clocks around the field so he can gauge when the pocket breaks down and he needs to abandon/move the pocket. No I'm not saying Joe is or will be or even should be Aaron Rogers. But this is an example of how that skill is learned.

It's hardly news that his presence back there is poor.

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Loco Ravens Fan

And Joe did just what he does most of the time in away games... one half good to very good and the other half very little points and oh yes turnovers that lead to the other team scoring points and keeping the defense on the field. Joe Flacco has a great arm but his qb IQ stinks!

Who's job is it to adjust to whAt the defense gives you? I was vilified the last time I said Joe calls the plays sometimes, so I'm guessing its still joes fault when the correct plays aren't being called in his helmet?