Two straight losses by defense

**Ravensghost** · 12-09-2012, 05:53 PM

With the injuries that the defense has faced and the lack of quality back ups, you want to pin all the blame on them? I think they did a hell of a job considering the situation. Take away flaccos fumble and Int, We win this game.

**ravensnhokies** · 12-09-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

A coach's job is more than just showing up and calling the plays on game day. When your LBs fail to get depth in their zones for 13 straight games, you have to question why they are not being coached to do so. Clearly these guys have the physical ability to do so if London Fletcher can!

I do fault the assistant coaches as much or more than Pees for this team's failure to address any of its defensive issues throughout the season.

I agree.... McClain has no clue with the concept of depth.

F--- it. I'd run a 4-2-5 as a base next week b/c our LBs can't cover. Put in Ihedigbo. If they gash us with the run, screw it. I'd rather take my chances with the run over Manning/s dicing us up.

**Haloti92** · 12-09-2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

A coach's job is more than just showing up and calling the plays on game day. When your LBs fail to get depth in their zones for 13 straight games, you have to question why they are not being coached to do so. Clearly these guys have the physical ability to do so if London Fletcher can!

I do fault the assistant coaches as much or more than Pees for this team's failure to address any of its defensive issues throughout the season.

I absolutely question why they are not successfully being coached to get depth. But that isn't the same thing as not being coached to get depth. They may be too dumb to fully learn without more reps (too many reps). They still cannot read the play fast enough to realize when they are responsible for covering (vs. playing the run).

I also am not sure, ever, whether Ed is where he is supposed to be according to the plan. I am quite sure Ed has, or at minimum considers himself to have, a green light in terms of freelancing. So on some of the plays, he may be too deep, I have no idea.

But I agree with your overall point. One way or another something has to change before you allow yourself to continue to get gashed in week 14 by the same plays you were getting gashed with in week 2.

**purplepoe** · 12-09-2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by PainServer52

Dean Piss has to go...I know there were some people who were fooled when we had a stretch of games when we played good defense against some very weak offenses, but his bend don't break, 2 and 3 man rushes and soft zone defense is killing us in crucial moments of the game.

At some point people are going to realize just how poor the talent is on the defensive side of the ball.

Until then, people will continue to blame coaching.

In fact, that goes for the entire team.

PP

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-09-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ravensghost

With the injuries that the defense has faced and the lack of quality back ups, you want to pin all the blame on them? I think they did a hell of a job considering the situation. Take away flaccos fumble and Int, We win this game.

and in today's game at least, those were on the Oline

**bmorecareful** · 12-09-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

I absolutely question why they are not successfully being coached to get depth. But that isn't the same thing as not being coached to get depth. They may be too dumb to fully learn without more reps (too many reps). They still cannot read the play fast enough to realize when they are responsible for covering (vs. playing the run).

I also am not sure, ever, whether Ed is where he is supposed to be according to the plan. I am quite sure Ed has, or at minimum considers himself to have, a green light in terms of freelancing. So on some of the plays, he may be too deep, I have no idea.

But I agree with your overall point. One way or another something has to change before you allow yourself to continue to get gashed in week 14 by the same plays you were getting gashed with in week 2.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. We can't really judge precisely where the failure is occurring whether it's the quality of the coaching itself or the players' reception of said coaching.

I do think that the FEW defenders still remaining from last year's team looked much better under Pagano, including McClain, Williams, Pollard, and Reed. Reed in particular is now blowing 5 or 10 coverages for every play he makes, which is WAY unacceptable. Don't know if he can freelance anymore.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-09-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Charlie Batch and Kirk Cousins.

Offenses can be schemed to be successful. On defense you need talent. And I am paraphrasing the great Bill Walsh.

**iggyman555** · 12-09-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

Offense is much healthier than the defense. (though Yanda's injury is a concern)

The offense should be carrying the defense, instead of expecting such a worn down defense to continue to do it.

yup everyone came into the season knowing that the O will carry the team, that is not the case this year

**pslholder96** · 12-09-2012, 06:37 PM

The last two games is mostly on the offense, This defense has been up and mostly down all year. I've come to expect that our defense will probably regress further. It's on the offense now and for the rest of the season. Our margin of error is very minimal and unfortunately penalties and turnovers will only compound the problem. We saw that today..

**gretzky_scores** · 12-09-2012, 06:40 PM

We need Ray Lewis.

**kojo** · 12-09-2012, 06:44 PM

The Ravens d is just totally messed up now due to injuries which is a rare thing so asking the Offense to put up 30+ a game while on the road is a bit tough. i remember a few seasons ago, the D would collapse in the 4th quarter (the season they lost a 4th q lead to the Pats in regular season but beat them on the road) and they were far more healthier then. If you told me back in September that the Ravens would be going up against RG3 WITHOUT Ray or Suggs, I would've penned it in as an L so I'm not too shocked. lets just hope they heal up a bit going into the Playoffs and start playing better since other teams still have to play and could easily lose their playmakers as well. This is the NFL, the last 2 super bowl winners should tell you every week counts.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-09-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

A coach's job is more than just showing up and calling the plays on game day. When your LBs fail to get depth in their zones for 13 straight games, you have to question why they are not being coached to do so. Clearly these guys have the physical ability to do so if London Fletcher can!

I do fault the assistant coaches as much or more than Pees for this team's failure to address any of its defensive issues throughout the season.

London Fletcher has what...14 years of experience?

Many players just don't have the mental capacity to read routes and play in space...it's not all physical.

IMHO, our LB's don't have either the mental capacity to be diciplined when a lot is going on around them and/or they have to play going backwards...and that just puts a spotlight on their lack of physical skills.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

Offenses can be schemed to be successful. On defense you need talent. And I am paraphrasing the great Bill Walsh.

Offenses can also be schemed to not be successful.

GUESS WHICH OF THE TWO WE HAVE

**iggyman555** · 12-09-2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

At some point people are going to realize just how poor the talent is on the defensive side of the ball.

Until then, people will continue to blame coaching.

In fact, that goes for the entire team.

PP

wonder how the stoolers beat us last week with a below avg o line and a 37 year old qb....coaching?

**Whitty Hutton** · 12-09-2012, 06:56 PM

The players on D just aren't that good, so I really cant blame Pees for them sucking. You don't like him playing zone? Well that last touchdown they were playing man to man, and Chris Johnson can't even follow his man and gets embarrassed
The offense should be carrying the heavy end of the load, the players are healthy and skilled enough. Taking into account this team's history it's not like they don't owe the defense 1...or 50

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-09-2012, 06:57 PM

Honestly you can't really say much. We're trotting out a UDFA in Bynes who isn't very good at all, and age'd special teams ace but reason he doesn't do much else in BA and asnother UDFA who looks exactly that part in McClain. No wonder the middle of the field is open!

Than you have Upshaw, who is a rook and looks to be an decent replacement for JJ IN THE FUTURE like next year but he's still getting adjusted to the NFL. McClellan whom I think is a better ILB backup than OLB for sure oh and he's also a UDFA, and than you have Paul mr one dimension same move rushing the QB Kruger.

Now for the front, a banged up Ngata, who still got a sack, a guy who was eating dorito's on the couch last year in Kemo and a pair of UDFA splitting time at the RE spot. O wait I'm sorry McPhee and Jones were both 5th rounder's and are situational players at best. And our latest 2nd rounder on the front line has been quietly a non factor i.e bust and has shown why he had the knocks he did coming out of college.

Sorry really, I'd rather have the guy that goes balls to the wall on the field and has some of the field issues over whom we've been drafting on D.

We better find a replacement for Redding in this coming years draft and it better be a high draft pick i.e first or second round.

Really the first 3 rounds need to go to defensive starters. You need a 3-4 End, a MLB, a CB, and a FS.