Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

[BigPlayReceiver]

I would LOVE to see them trade up for T'eo or Joeckel. So, let's say they do and they give up a 1st, 2nd, and 4th (this year)...so they'd have a 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th. This also isn't including comp picks, which they'll probably get at least one or two...maybe a 4th for Grubbs.

Was thinking about The Joker earlier today--ESPNU had TA&M games running this morning for Manziel, so I got to watch some more of Joeckel too.

So if Stevie still believes that 5 is his guy, yet he was willing to trade a bundle of picks for Ryan (his "first guy" ) then why not trade a bundle of picks to move way up to grab The Joker so as to protect Joe?

Hell it's LESS risky than grabbing any QB in the last decade not named Luck...and certainly less risky than Matt Ryan was...and maybe any offensive player not named ohhh...Calvin Johnson.

[Ravenalytics]

I wonder what it would cost to sign Alex Smith or Matt Flynn? When I see Flacco's lack of pocket presence, I lose my faith.

I would move up to draft Te'o. He's the Andrew Luck of defensive prospects.

[wickedsolo]

I wonder what it would cost to sign Alex Smith or Matt Flynn? When I see Flacco's lack of pocket presence, I lose my faith.

I would move up to draft Te'o. He's the Andrew Luck of defensive prospects.

That's just dumb.

Sorry man, but to imply that Alex Smith and/or Matt Flynn (who can't even beat out a 5'11" rookie) would be better than Flacco is just stupid and illogical.

Put Flacco in a better offensive scheme and he'll kill it. Give him a better OL and he'll kill it.

The Niners have a hell of an OL. That is one of the reasons why Alex Smith has been successful. However, up until Jim Harbaugh Alex Smith was a fumble machine (way more than Flacco) and was being run out of town in San Fran.

Just goes to show you how much a coach can impact a team.

[JustaslowZ06]

BUT is Te'o worth that much to give up? THAT is the question. Or do you maybe move up a couple slots and take whomever?

Bottom line is MLB and 3-4DE should be taken in the first 2 rounds and they better be home runs no matter what it takes. So is he worth that much, or will there be a surefire end that'll be a starter we can move up a handfull and get and grab a MLB in the 2nd that is more than serviceable?

[wickedsolo]

BUT is Te'o worth that much to give up? THAT is the question. Or do you maybe move up a couple slots and take whomever?

Bottom line is MLB and 3-4DE should be taken in the first 2 rounds and they better be home runs no matter what it takes. So is he worth that much, or will there be a surefire end that'll be a starter we can move up a handfull and get and grab a MLB in the 2nd that is more than serviceable?

When was the last time you saw a LB as a Heisman finalist?

Now, I don't think that T'eo is the athlete that Patrick Willis is, but I think T'eo is by and large one of the 3 best defensive players in this draft. He'd be an instant upgrade over every LB on this roster, including Ray Lewis (sorry dude), and he'd be one of the best LB's in the league for a long time.

If not T'eo, you'd be looking at Alex Ogletree and/or CJ Mosley, both of whom are very good players, but they don't have what T'eo has.

[Ravensghost]

We have no chance at landing T'eo .. Not unless Ozzie pulls a falcons move and trades up to get him.

[JustaslowZ06]

When was the last time you saw a LB as a Heisman finalist?

Now, I don't think that T'eo is the athlete that Patrick Willis is, but I think T'eo is by and large one of the 3 best defensive players in this draft. He'd be an instant upgrade over every LB on this roster, including Ray Lewis (sorry dude), and he'd be one of the best LB's in the league for a long time.

If not T'eo, you'd be looking at Alex Ogletree and/or CJ Mosley, both of whom are very good players, but they don't have what T'eo has.

And thats what I mean, is he worth our 1st, 2nd and 4th along with next years whatever???? Is he THAT much better than say Ogletree or Mosley who might be thre when we pick, or we may have to sacrfice say a 3rd to move up a couple spots. Kinda a bang for your buck question. Obviously he's the best MLB to come out since Willis, whom was the best since Ray.

I'm just not entirely sure he's worth those kind of picks. Bth Ogletree and Mosley would be a instant upgrade over anyone we have at MLB right now also, along with still being able to add a 3-4end in the 2nd better than Jones/McPhee. So you just upgraded 2 positions of dire need without sacrficing a whole lot.

[wickedsolo]

We have no chance at landing T'eo .. Not unless Ozzie pulls a falcons move and trades up to get him.

That's what I'm saying.

Pull a Falcons and take a guy who you KNOW is going to impact from day 1.

T'eo
Joeckel
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damontre Moore

[LukeDaniel]

For next season:

1. Review coaching staff. Fire Cam. Look at possible replacement for Moeller.
For OC: Promote Caldwell or bring in Turner.

2. Bring back Flacco.

3. Cut/Let Walk/Retire:
McClain
Birk
Williams
McKinnie
Ayanbedejo
Kruger
Williams
Kemoeatu
McBean
Considine

4. Tender:
Pitta
Dickson
Cox
Art Jones

5. Resign:
Flacco
Reed
Ellerbe

Let's assume that Kruger and Reed were to command the same in free agency (an assumption that's probably wrong since Reed doesn't seem fond of any hometown discounts)

You would rather keep Reed for 1-2 more years over Kruger for 3-5? How do you figure that?

[LukeDaniel]

I think that they are undoubtedly going to have to cut folks that they probably don't want to cut.

I love what Jacoby brings as a return specialist, but short of a few catches here and there he hasn't dont much of anything offensively. Could Asa Jackson not do the same thing returning kicks/punts? That's $4 mill right there that doesn't need to be spent.

Regarding Boldin - I can almost guarantee that he'll either take a pay cut, or have his deal restructured. There is no way they can pay him $7.5 mill next year.

Pitta and Dickson will be RFA's, but they'll be cheap.

Defensively, the only guys they will really need to figure out is Kruger and Ellerbe. McClain can walk because he doesn't provide much of anything as an ILB. Frankly, I thought Bynes did a better job.

And as much as I'd hate to say it, I don't think it would be wise to resign Ed Reed. They have to get younger and faster on D.

Aside from the Jacoby Jones comment, I think you're on the money. Jones is a game changer. Look at how other teams are approaching him now....

Agree with everything else.

[LukeDaniel]

Lots of $$$ out there and some of it is being wasted IMO.

McClain is due $3M in 2013 and $3.2M in 2014. (Awful value. Need to get from under this)

Birk is due $2.75M in 2013. (Sub-par value)
Oher is due $3M in 2013. (Sub par value)
Suggs is due $6.4M in 2013 and $7.8M in 2014. (Restructure)
Boldin is due $6M in 2013 and 2014. (Sub-par value but...New OC + Franchise tag "experiment" = dumb to cut loose a mostly reliable WR)
Jones is due $4M in 2013. (Ask again later...I'm having a hard time justifying $10M between Jones and Boldin)
Bobbie Willilams is due $1.2M in 2013. (Cut)
Ayanbadejo: $940K in 2013. (Cut)
Leach: $3M in 2013. (The new OC may completely devalue the FB position)

Re-sign priority:
Ellerbe

Otherwise:
Ed Reed: I love him, but I would not re-sign.
Cary Williams: Gone.
Ray is due $5.4M in 2013. I would like to see him retire.

#1- That $940k we'd potentially pay to Ayanbadejo is a very nice value. First, as a player, he can still play. It seems every year down the stretch, once the injuries pile up to the linebackers, BA is there in a pinch making plays. Let me say this very directly, we don't win that game in San Diego without him. Ray Rice never sees that opportunity to convert 4th and 29 if not for 3 excellent defensive plays he made in the two preceding drives. Also, he made two game saving tackles last year in the Cleveland week 16 game that preserved that win. He can still run and he can still tackle. He has value at a very low cost.

#2 Keep in mind that the salary for Ayanbadejo is essentially the veteran minimum. If we cut his $940k (assuming there is no cap penalty for doing so), we would have to replace his 940k with another salary that will count in the 475-550k range. So cutting Dejo really would only save us 400k at the max.

#3 Without knowing how Jameel's contract is structured, it's hard to say if it's a good decision to cut him or not. If we could get off the hook for $3 million with no penalty, I'd probably do it. However, depending on how much "Dead money" is wrapped into the decision to cut him, it might not make sense.

#4 Michael Oher, even if he is in that 15-20 range as far as left tackles go, is still a reasonably good value at $3 million. Certainly not subpar value in any way. People love to point out Oher's critical mistakes and overlook some of his exceptional run blocks. He's a steal at $3 million in today's market.

[houstonravensfan]

the fact that they are picking later in the round is really your primary argument here? Ray lewis was the 26th pick in the draft. Reed was the 24th. Rice was a 2nd round pick. Webb a 3rd rounder. Yanda a 3rd rounder. Could go on and on. Where they pick is irrelevant, they still have a job to bring in quality players, and what do i expect? I expect the gm and fo of this team to do their jobs and bring in those quality players, like they had done for so many years prior.

Nobody is forcing ozzie to trade down, either.

outstanding! +1

[wickedsolo]

Aside from the Jacoby Jones comment, I think you're on the money. Jones is a game changer. Look at how other teams are approaching him now....

Agree with everything else.

Dude is a heck of a return specialist...but he doesn't contribute a whole lot on offense anymore...whether that is by design, who knows. It seems that Doss has taken a lot of his snaps.

Furthermore, does being a really good return specialist justify a $4mill cap hit? I don't know. Frankly, I think what they should do is offer him an extension that breaks his cap number up a bit and if he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

Could Deonte Thompson not replicate that? He's just as fast...probably faster. Thompson has also been VERY impressive when he's gotten on the field with the offense. I'm just saying, Thompson would cost significantly less and from what we've seen so far, he may be able to replicate Jacoby's return ability. We don't know.

What we do know is if they keep Jacoby and Boldin, they'll have over $10 million locked up in a 33 year old possession receiver and a part time receiver/return specialist.

[arnie_uk]

Dude is a heck of a return specialist...but he doesn't contribute a whole lot on offense anymore...whether that is by design, who knows. It seems that Doss has taken a lot of his snaps.

Furthermore, does being a really good return specialist justify a $4mill cap hit? I don't know. Frankly, I think what they should do is offer him an extension that breaks his cap number up a bit and if he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

Could Deonte Thompson not replicate that? He's just as fast...probably faster. Thompson has also been VERY impressive when he's gotten on the field with the offense. I'm just saying, Thompson would cost significantly less and from what we've seen so far, he may be able to replicate Jacoby's return ability. We don't know.

What we do know is if they keep Jacoby and Boldin, they'll have over $10 million locked up in a 33 year old possession receiver and a part time receiver/return specialist.

Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot

[wickedsolo]

Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot

Which could indicate that they are liking Doss more as the #3 receiver, which also points to Jacoby not being worth $4 mill.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot

Ah yes...completely forgot about the chance of KRs going away. Thanks.

That would seal the [no] deal for me...unless the new OC can integrate him (and everyone else for that matter) into the offense better.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Which could indicate that they are liking Doss more as the #3 receiver, which also points to Jacoby not being worth $4 mill.

So thinking about our common ground on trading up for The Joker...passing on Jacoby and Boldin alone would give us $10M to pursue Clady, and we'd get our 1st, 2nd and 4th back.

And yes...I understand the risk of dropping Boldin during Joe's "all-in"/tag year. Always tough to balance the short term and the long term...

[GOTA]

That's what I'm saying.

Pull a Falcons and take a guy who you KNOW is going to impact from day 1.

T'eo
Joeckel
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damontre Moore

That's not Ozzie's style. He never counts on a draft pick having an impact from day 1. Even for someone he targets, like Upshaw last year or Flacco before that, he's still willing to risk losing by trading down to get as much value as possible. Ozzie will trade up a couple of spots but he's not making that big trade like the Falcons did.

[GOTA]

This Clady talk is insane. The Broncos didn't just spend a fortune on Manning to let him get beat up by letting his best o-lineman go. They'll either come to a deal or franchise him. There is no way that Clady hits the free agent market.

[Ravenalytics]

Boldin isn't really a receiver. He's actually a very short tight end.

I can't see us letting go of him. He's been too reliable and has always come through for us. And perhaps most importantly, he makes numerous crucial downfield blocks that no other receivers on our roster can do nearly as well.