Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**HoustonRaven** · 12-12-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

He's been an enormous disappointment IMHO.

He and Kindle wound up being shockingly bad 2nd round picks in what most of us thought was an absolutely loaded 2010 draft.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Who knows what Kindle could have developed into had he not acted like a dumbass.

Still can't quite bring myself to fault the front office though.

Those two were on everyone's radar. Kindle had some warning signs obviously, but how do you expect this knucklehead would "slip" down some steps and bust his dome?

**JAB1985** · 12-12-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think he has enough hype around him and has enough intangibles that some team is going to leap frog others to take him early in the draft. I would be VERY surprised if he lasted past the 10th pick.

I guess its possible but we also got a premier position and Heisman winner in the 5th round because he didnt have that special quality. Tao I think will be a great prospect but I just cant see a team taking an ILB thats not sub 4.50 speed that early on.

Nice mock though, well see how fluid it is the closer to April.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-12-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Still can't quite bring myself to fault the front office though.

Those two were on everyone's radar. Kindle had some warning signs obviously, but how do you expect this knucklehead would "slip" down some steps and bust his dome?

Don't get me wrong, I no anybody else in this thread I think are bashing the FO and calling for Ozzie's head.

But you can't help but look at this team, see all the holes in the roster, and not look back at that draft and notice all the talent that came into the league that year and we really didn't get much out of it.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Cody is baaaad. I don't think he's salvageable, his technique is appalling, and I KNOW he's getting coached up better than that. I don't understand what went wrong with him at all.

Don't go and look at who we missed out on in the 2010 draft in favor of Cody and Kindle... it's really depressing. (Daryl Washington, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, and Brandon Spikes, just to name a few...) That's why the draft is a crapshoot... hell, I liked the Sergio Kindle pick a lot when they made it and we needed a pass rusher. Just didn't work out...

I think Cody is a giant cream puff. Seriously he is not strong at all (compared to an average NFL player).

So you have a guy that looked good at 380 + and no one could push that around in college, who is a bit taller than the average bear, so he has a disadvantage in leverage too.

Cody either needs to get fat(er), strong or both. Otherwise I am not sure I'd even want him as a backup on this team.

**Carey** · 12-12-2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Still can't quite bring myself to fault the front office though.

Those two were on everyone's radar. Kindle had some warning signs obviously, but how do you expect this knucklehead would "slip" down some steps and bust his dome?

Yea you really cant, Cody was coming from a pro style defense he anchored in the middle. Even though he slacked at times and didnt always play with proper technique im sure they thought CB could fix that. With Kindle he was that blue chip athlete that was long missing, he wasnt very bright but there is alot of those guys out there that can still get to the QB.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-12-2012, 01:15 PM

BTW...regarding Teo, I can't bring myself to agree with trading what we'd have to, to go way up to get a MLB.

**GOTA** · 12-12-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

He's been an enormous disappointment IMHO.

He and Kindle wound up being shockingly bad 2nd round picks in what most of us thought was an absolutely loaded 2010 draft.

That draft really hurts

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

BTW...regarding Teo, I can't bring myself to agree with trading what we'd have to, to go way up to get a MLB.

Of course that all depends on how far we'd have to trade up.... Hopefully it's from 32 to 10, but if it's from 20 it becomes a different discussion.

**JAB1985** · 12-12-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Of course that all depends on how far we'd have to trade up.... Hopefully it's from 32 to 10, but if it's from 20 it becomes a different discussion.

I like my scenario better simply because we wouldnt have to give up much. maybe its wishful thinking.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

I like my scenario better simply because we wouldnt have to give up much. maybe its wishful thinking.

I'd rather have the issue of having the dreaded 32 spot

I doubt Te'o falls to the late first round. I think he's a better prospect than Kuechly who went 8 (but this is coming from a life-long ND fan). I could see low teens, but not much further than that.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-12-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Don't get me wrong, I no anybody else in this thread I think are bashing the FO and calling for Ozzie's head.

But you can't help but look at this team, see all the holes in the roster, and not look back at that draft and notice all the talent that came into the league that year and we really didn't get much out of it.

Oh agreed. I wasn't suggesting you were blaming the FO. If it came across that way, my apologies.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-12-2012, 01:59 PM

Soooo...Barrett Jones was a 2011 1st team AA at OT...left side, I believe since that's where he started the season. I didn't know that. Time to watch some 2011 tape!

**JAB1985** · 12-12-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I'd rather have the issue of having the dreaded 32 spot

I doubt Te'o falls to the late first round. I think he's a better prospect than Kuechly who went 8 (but this is coming from a life-long ND fan). I could see low teens, but not much further than that.

9th but for some reason I thought he went later (mid teens). Maybe Te'o does go a lot earlier than I thought.

At this point I'd agree with Wicked, double dipping is pretty much a must. Maybe not back to back but we should come out of this draft with 2 quality prospects at LB at the very least.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 02:34 PM

What about Clowney at South Carolina, anybody heard if he comes out?

**Carey** · 12-12-2012, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

What about Clowney at South Carolina, anybody heard if he comes out?

He cant this year being a sophmore but he's already on record saying he's declaring after his junior year. He's a stud

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Carey

He cant this year being a sophmore but he's already on record saying he's declaring after his junior year. He's a stud

I thought you could come out after two years...?

**Carey** · 12-12-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I thought you could come out after two years...?

Have to be 3 yrs out of high school, seems like he's been at SC longer because of how quickly he started playing.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-12-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Carey

Have to be 3 yrs out of high school, seems like he's been at SC longer because of how quickly he started playing.

Gotcha. I'd love to have a shot at him next year. I bet he'd go top 5 this year if he was eligible.

**wickedsolo** · 12-12-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Soooo...Barrett Jones was a 1st team AA at OT...left side, I believe since that's where he started the season. I didn't know that. Time to watch some 2011 tape!

Yup.