Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**wickedsolo** · 12-16-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

We could let Flacco walk and get McCarron from Alabama, spend the money on, Reed, OT and WR...and load up on OLine (guard, center) and LBs.

He is a junior and returning.

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**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-16-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Carey

At this point i think Dickson has more value to us as the #2 TE then for a 6th or 7th round pick. We couldnt possibly expect more then that for him at this point. To his defense he has got better as a run blocker and its not lik e he got a ton of opportunities this year then get's hurt.

With a low tender on Dickson, anyone signing him would give us a 3rd rounder (since that is the 2010 round in which Ed was drafted).
The Rams could use a TE and with 2 1st rounders, the impact of trading away a 3rd is lessened.
Of course, they could just go ahead a draft Eifert or Fauria in the 2nd.

KC could also use a better target for Geno Smith...especially with their crappy #2 WR production, #1 TE's injury history, and the prospect of not re-signing Bowe. Their 2nd round pick could go to Woods, Hunter, Patterson, whomever. A better move than taking Eifert or Fauria IMO

**Lee Van Cleef** · 12-16-2012, 03:13 PM

Joeckel - KO - ??? - Yanda - Oher

Looks pretty nice. Unlikely though.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-16-2012, 03:15 PM

Ozzie has a HUGE offseason to deal with when this season over.

Depth is a huge...HUGE problem.

**bmorecareful** · 12-16-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Ozzie has a HUGE offseason to deal with when this season over.

Depth is a huge...HUGE problem.

Agreed. This team has too many bloated contracts for players who aren't doing squat, particularly guys over the age of 30. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Matt Birk, Anquan Boldin... all should be gone. Ngata has a huge contract he's not living up to. Suggs only gets more expensive in the last few years of his deal. Not suggesting Ngata and Suggs should be gone but their contracts might need a looking at.

They need to free up a lot of money and make a lot of aggressive moves to rebuild this team. The Flacco contract situation is just impossible to even think about... what are they gonna do for this guy? Do they even WANT to move forward with him? I don't know. I don't want the Ravens to take a chance on something uncertain in the draft, but I just don't know anymore.

**leachisabeast** · 12-16-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Agreed. This team has too many bloated contracts for players who aren't doing squat, particularly guys over the age of 30. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Matt Birk, Anquan Boldin... all should be gone. Ngata has a huge contract he's not living up to. Suggs only gets more expensive in the last few years of his deal. Not suggesting Ngata and Suggs should be gone but their contracts might need a looking at.

They need to free up a lot of money and make a lot of aggressive moves to rebuild this team. The Flacco contract situation is just impossible to even think about... what are they gonna do for this guy? Do they even WANT to move forward with him? I don't know. I don't want the Ravens to take a chance on something uncertain in the draft, but I just don't know anymore.

Haloti can't do much when he's surrounded by undrafted players and Terrence Cody. Suggs will be back strong next year, and will hopefully get healthy.

**Ravensghost** · 12-16-2012, 03:26 PM

I really think they clean house next year, franchise Flacco, and try to restock in the draft. We have to many holes
to fill. Could be a down year next year. I hate to say it, but I think this is all your going to get out of Flacco.

**Ravenous1** · 12-16-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Ozzie has a HUGE offseason to deal with when this season over.

Depth is a huge...HUGE problem.

I agree 100%

The Ravens are going to have some tough choices to make regarding personnel. Ozzie made some a couple years ago and I have faith he will again.

Most important of all they need to have a more productive draft. I tend to agree with WickedSolo that even though we have many holes to fill, we need to move up and get a impact player on either the Oline or Dline. That is a must IMO. This team is losing in the trenches and thats the FIRST thing that needs to be fixed.

**leachisabeast** · 12-16-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ravensghost

I really think they clean house next year, franchise Flacco, and try to restock in the draft. We have to many holes
to fill. Could be a down year next year. I hate to say it, but I think this is all your going to get out of Flacco.

Flacco is not worth 14 million, I wouldn't even franchise him.

**GOTA** · 12-16-2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Flacco is not worth 14 million, I wouldn't even franchise him.

If that's the case then what is your plan at QB?

**TTRaven** · 12-16-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Flacco is not worth 14 million, I wouldn't even franchise him.

Yeah that's a lot of money for an average QB. The Ravens are in a very tough situation.

**leachisabeast** · 12-16-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

If that's the case then what is your plan at QB?

What's the plan if an average QB is eating up all of the cap room and makes it impossible for us to improve the team player wise? I am thinking either draft a QB in the second round, and maybe make a play for Alex Smith, who will be a lot cheaper than Flacco.

**bmorecareful** · 12-16-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Flacco is not worth 14 million, I wouldn't even franchise him.

Originally Posted by GOTA

If that's the case then what is your plan at QB?

The team is really over a barrel here. It'd be nice to have the luxury of evaluating Flacco for a year in a new offensive system, but you only get that with the tag and that's 14 million off your cap. Is Flacco worth that? I don't know anymore.

At this point, Flacco's contract should look like Matt Schaub's... 5 years, 66 million. No more than that, IMO. But do you even want to commit that much? I gotta say, maybe I'm overreacting to this last game, but I am losing my faith in Flacco VERY quickly.

I dunno. There aren't any day 1 starters in the draft or free agency, so the team's hands may be tied.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 12-16-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

What's the plan if an average QB is eating up all of the cap room and makes it impossible for us to improve the team player wise? I am thinking either draft a QB in the second round, and maybe make a play for Alex Smith, who will be a lot cheaper than Flacco.

We don't have Jim Harbaugh him to design an O that Alex Smith can run efficiently.

**leachisabeast** · 12-16-2012, 03:37 PM

Would SD be open to any offers for Philip Rivers by any chance?

**Carey** · 12-16-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

With a low tender on Dickson, anyone signing him would give us a 3rd rounder (since that is the 2010 round in which Ed was drafted).
The Rams could use a TE and with 2 1st rounders, the impact of trading away a 3rd is lessened.
Of course, they could just go ahead a draft Eifert or Fauria in the 2nd.

KC could also use a better target for Geno Smith...especially with their crappy #2 WR production, #1 TE's injury history, and the prospect of not re-signing Bowe. Their 2nd round pick could go to Woods, Hunter, Patterson, whomever. A better move than taking Eifert or Fauria IMO

Nobody would give Dickson a contract and give up a 3rd round pick, not a chance. I think at most they could get a 6th or 7th round pick which would be smart for a guy that still has talent and could be a productive 2nd TE

**leachisabeast** · 12-16-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef

We don't have Jim Harbaugh him to design an O that Alex Smith can run efficiently.

I would love to get Chip Kelly as the new HC.

**Lime in the Coconut** · 12-16-2012, 03:39 PM

Yes, I agree. Flacco isn't even worth the tag, it'll just screw us for next season. I don't think you're going to get much more out of Flacco, the guy will be 28 in January. I don't know what they do, it's very disheartening. The defense has gone to hell and a lot of the guys that are getting these big pay days are either over the hill or not playing up to it. I truly believe they have many tough decisions. The front 7 lacks speed, that HAS to change. Cary Williams should be gone. Today sealed it for me, he's just average and gets owned by precise route runners and he gave up on a play today which he's done throughout the season. Ellerbe and Kruger are two players I like, but I'd only bring them back for a deal that is worth their value. The OL is in shambles too...

Going to be a long offseason...

**Ravenous1** · 12-16-2012, 03:39 PM

You can bring in ANY QB you want but unless you fix the Oline and fix the Dline they are not going to be successful

Yea its a QB driven league but at the end of the day the game is still won and lost in the trenches. No matter how much the game changes that remains a constant. You can get away with so-so but right now both of our lines are just poor IMO.

**GOTA** · 12-16-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

You can bring in ANY QB you want but unless you fix the Oline and fix the Dline they are not going to be successful

Yea its a QB driven league but at the end of the day the game is still won and lost in the trenches. No matter how much the game changes that remains a constant. You can get away with so-so but right now both of our lines are just poor IMO.

And how do you pay Flacco and pay to fix those lines with no cap space?