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[Sirdowski]

And Jones throws a horrible INT. Question answered.

[Ravenalytics]

Maybe. But one thing to remember about Wilson is first and foremost he has a canon on his shoulder.

Manziel's deep ball's looking pretty good to my eye, though.

[wickedsolo]

Landry Jones is looking sharp. Why has stock on him dropped so much?

He had kind of inconsistent start. Plus, he has the stigma of coming from Oklahoma. Their QB's havent exactly lit the NFL on fire lately.

I think he would be a great depth/grooming QB for a team like Dallas, New Orleans, or Houston.

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[wickedsolo]

Brown looked really small to me. Some small guys look like could hold up in a 3/4, but I didn't come away last night feeling that way.

I wasn't really impressed to be honest.

Yea...I think we saw why he is a borderline 3rd rounder. He is productive, but I dont know that he would be productive in Baltimore. I think he could be very good in a cover-2 D with a 4-3 front 7. Chicago, Cinci, or even Detroit coukd be good fits.

After watching Brown, I am more impressed with Khaseem Greene out of Rutgers.

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[Ravenalytics]

Ryan Swope has some good hands. I think he's gonna go earlier than most have him projected.

[wickedsolo]

Ryan Swope has some good hands. I think he's gonna go earlier than most have him projected.

Big fan of Swope. He runs nice routes and plucks the ball out of the air. Above average speed and quickness. He is a lot like Brian Hartline down in Miami or a more athletic Jason Avant.

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[Lime in the Coconut]

Is Oklahoma's Kenny Stills coming out? If so, thoughts?

I recall him playing a little vs ND I believe it was.

[wickedsolo]

Is Oklahoma's Kenny Stills coming out? If so, thoughts?

I recall him playing a little vs ND I believe it was.

Nice hands-catcher, but for his size (6' 189lbs) I really wish he was quicker/faster than what he is.

[bmorecareful]

Is Oklahoma's Kenny Stills coming out? If so, thoughts?

I recall him playing a little vs ND I believe it was.

Nice hands-catcher, but for his size (6' 189lbs) I really wish he was quicker/faster than what he is.

Kenny Stills is a low-ceiling player, but I think he also has a pretty high floor. He has a little physicality and run after the catch ability, and his hands are pretty reliable. He doesn't really do anything all that great but he doesn't have any glaring flaws in his game and he runs a full route tree and can line up outside or in the slot. I basically see Stills as a less physical Anquan Boldin, and that's fine for a mid-to-late round pick.

Ryan Swope is a very similar prospect, but I like him more than Stills. I'd be happy with either in the 4th or 5th, but I'd prefer Swope... he had a really, really good game against Oklahoma last night. Very telling that even with Mike Evans emerging for A&M this year as a true freshman, when they wanted to convert a 4th and 5 they went to Swope and he broke it for a TD. That's the kind of player he is.

[JustaslowZ06]

Meshak Williams out of Kansas State. Looks to be that tweener like guy 6-3 245# was making alot of plays in the Fiesta Bowl. According to draft scout and such ranked 21st of OLB/DE's. Could be a good midlle to late round pick up. Know his name has been mentioned in this thread before but not going through 40 whatever pages,lol. Maybe Kruger's replacement? Thoughts by anyone?

[BigPlayReceiver]

Meshak Williams out of Kansas State. Looks to be that tweener like guy 6-3 245# was making alot of plays in the Fiesta Bowl. According to draft scout and such ranked 21st of OLB/DE's. Could be a good midlle to late round pick up. Know his name has been mentioned in this thread before but not going through 40 whatever pages,lol. Maybe Kruger's replacement? Thoughts by anyone?

I only referred to him as "[Brown's] unit mate" above in post #890 IIRC...but yes, he did look sharp in Tempe. Will go back on Brown's film and watch Williams now heh.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Landry Jones is looking sharp. Why has stock on him dropped so much?

I trust Gary Danielson's analysis on players' technique, and he has commented a few times this year on Jones' very questionable pocket awareness and decision making when things begin to break down. I saw it earlier in the year, but I did not watch last night's game.

[JustaslowZ06]

Also looking into Reid going to the Chiefs. Bowe will be a FA and won't be back. Cassel will liekly be cut and would be a good backup pickup for Joe. Other than that Reid is a 4-3 guy and the've been running the 3-4. So does he dump a 3-4 end that doesn't fit his scheme like Dorsey?

[BigPlayReceiver]

I could see Johnny football being a top qb prospect in a few years. I think with the success of Russell Wilson the height won't hold him back as much.


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I'm already looking forward to seeing how Manziel and Bridgewater have developed in 2013.

[JustaslowZ06]

I only referred to him as "[Brown's] unit mate" above in post #890 IIRC...but yes, he did look sharp in Tempe. Will go back on Brown's film and watch Williams now heh.

Gotcha, thanks.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Also looking into Reid going to the Chiefs. Bowe will be a FA and won't be back. Cassel will liekly be cut and would be a good backup pickup for Joe. Other than that Reid is a 4-3 guy and the've been running the 3-4. So does he dump a 3-4 end that doesn't fit his scheme like Dorsey?

Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.

Dig it.

So let's be 100% certain here...those decisions were already made this week during negotiations b/c that's just how it works at that level. Before you commit to a job like this, you set conditions and get ownership/chief executive approval on your strategy and goals. If I was GM or "coach with personnel control", I'd keep them both, but if the owner forced me to prioritize, I'd take Bowe over Albert.

KC scored an unbelievably piss-poor and NFL worst 211 points this year. That's six TDs worse than the #31 place team. Or looking at it another way...less than two TDs per game. So no way in hell does KC/Reid not back-up the truck for his #1 WR Bowe. And it has been said upthread and in the "Black Monday" thread IIRC that they have considerable cap room as well. However, it is still Bowe's decision to make, so I would think that part of Reid's "table setting" this past week included face-to-face meetings with both Bowe (and Albert.)

[bmorecareful]

I just wanted to throw a real quick 5 round Ravens-only mock including compensatory picks. I believe the Ravens will receive 2 4th's (Ben Grubbs and Jarrett Johnson) a 5th (Corey Redding) and a 6th (Tom Zbikowski). Obviously I'm not including the 6th.

1. Matt Elam, Safety, Florida - The Ravens' best shot at a successor to Ed Reed. Elam doesn't have quite the same ballhawking ability as a centerfielder as the future HOFer, but he plays very well in coverage and flies around the field like a heat seeking missile despite his smaller frame at 5'10, 200. He plays like a Raven, and I think he'll be a day one starter at free safety.

2. Khaseem Greene, Linebacker, Rutgers - This might be a little high for Greene, but he's in the 2nd-3rd range and could easily shoot up draft boards. He only goes 6'1, 230, but I hear undersized linebackers often do pretty well in the NFL and Greene is an absolute tackling machine with great athletic ability and football skills. He can run with backs and TEs in man coverage and has the instincts and range to play well in zone coverage. Rarely for a college player, you can tell from his play that he spends time watching film, and he's a leader and general on the field.

3. Ricky Wagner, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin - Opinions on Wagner are kind of all across the board. Some have him as a 6th round pick, some have him as a 2nd round pick. I tend more towards the latter. Wisconsin's offense has been totally dependent on quality line player over the past few years and Wagner has delivered at both tackle spots, particularly at left tackle over the past few years. At 6'6, 320 with nice length, he has power in the run game and athleticism in pass pro. His technique and footwork are close to NFL ready, and I am projecting him at LT in the NFL. He could easily replace Michael Oher and maybe sooner rather than later.

4. Ryan Swope, Wide Receiver, Texas A&M - Swope has been one of college football's most underrated receivers over the last few years. I predict him to continue to go underrated in the 2013 draft, as I doubt he'll impress at the Combine at 6'1, 208 with a 40 time probably no better than 4.5 or so. Swope can play outside or inside and shows great quickness out of his breaks with speed to run after the catch and separate from CBs downfield. He's a fiery player who isn't afraid to get physical with DBs. He would be a great successor for Anquan Boldin.

4. (compensatory) Mario Benavides, Center, Louisville - The Ravens stay on the offensive side of the ball and particularly on the line with another prospect who shows more on the field than one would think from his measurables. The Ravens hope Gradkowski can lock down an interior line spot, but he may fit better at guard than center and if Birk retires, they will have no one on the roster besides Gino that has real experience snapping the football and must add depth. Benavides has been great in Louisville's zone-blocking scheme and projects to play best in the same system in the NFL. His 6'4 290 frame may appear questionable to some, but technique and leverage beat pure mass every time, as Mario showed when he held up well against Florida's elite DTs in run and pass.

4. (compensatory) Jordan Hill, Defensive Tackle, Penn State - Hill could easily go higher than this particularly with a good Senior Bowl, but right now his tricky knee and lack of ideal size might push him down. Hill is not as good a fit for the 3-4, but if the Ravens use more 4-3 looks next year Hill is a great fit as a 3-tech gap-shooting under tackle. He might only be 6'1 290, but his good first step and use of hands make Hill a real sleeper as an interior pass rusher--a position you can never have enough of.

5. Michael Williams, Tight End, Alabama - Williams was a great blocker at the TE position for Alabama and is ready to step in and play the same role in the NFL. At 6'6 270, he has ideal size and good enough technique. He's a bit better of an athlete than one would think and could play a role as a red-zone target.

5. (compensatory) Meshak Williams, DE/OLB, Kansas State - Another underrated prospect, Williams was a JUCO transfer to Kansas State in 2011 and played only as a nickel/pass rush specialist in his junior year. This year, he grabbed hold of the RDE spot and wreaked havoc on offensive tackles all year long. He's still raw, but has the potential to stand out as a nickel pass rusher and special-teams contributor.

Would appreciate any feedback.

[Ravenalytics]

1. Matt Elam, Safety, Florida - The Ravens' best shot at a successor to Ed Reed. Elam doesn't have quite the same ballhawking ability as a centerfielder as the future HOFer, but he plays very well in coverage and flies around the field like a heat seeking missile despite his smaller frame at 5'10, 200. He plays like a Raven, and I think he'll be a day one starter at free safety.
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Really? I think we'd go with Eric Reid over Elam.

[runrayrun27]

If our first pick isn't on an ILB or Interior DL I'm gunna be upset. Reed leaving should definitely be addressed, but I'm not blown away by Elam or Reid and I think they are the only two that will be there and are potential value