Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**leachisabeast** · 01-22-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

I still think we end up with Elam in the 1st round.

I've never been so sure about a player that is born to be a Raven coming out of college for a long time.

**Charlestonraven** · 01-22-2013, 04:29 PM

I love Elam as a first round pick. What does everyone think of Sylvester Williams? I think he's being severely underrated as a late second- early third pick right now. He played injured all year, and on a terrible defense, but still had solid production. Is he a possibility for the Ravens in the second? Can he only play in a 4-3? The guy played very well in 2011 at 330.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-22-2013, 05:24 PM

IMHO...considering I don't expect any LT's or DL worth a first at our upcoming slot, Elam is my favorite pick.

Totally on board with him being a Raven.

**alien bird** · 01-22-2013, 05:28 PM

Brian Winters OL Kent State

6034 310 9.48 32

Tues: Looked dominant at times. Terrific size, build and strength. Annihilated opponents at the line then showed surprising skill blocking in motion...

This could be a great pick in the mid rounds, if he lasts that long.

**alien bird** · 01-22-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

I still think we end up with Elam in the 1st round.

I think the Ravens will end up with a defensive impact player with their first pick, but it depends on what value is there. It could be safety, linebacker, or D-line. In the bigger picture it won't make a big difference because any value player in one of those spots would fill a need. They can always fill other needs as the draft goes.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-22-2013, 05:35 PM

I also am not a fan of Jenkins.

The same stuff we are hearing about him were said about Cody...questionable motor, going to need to get in shape and control his weight...wasn't dominant in college.

No way I take him in the first.

**leachisabeast** · 01-22-2013, 05:39 PM

I like Kasheme Greene in the second, yeah he's only 6'0, but he weighs 237 lbs, good weight for that height. He is very athletic and speedy, he runs around the field making tackles, he was an emotional leader at Rutgers, he could be a very solid second day pick. Matt Elam and Greene would be very solid picks. I would go with a wideout or OL in the 3rd round.

**arnie_uk** · 01-22-2013, 05:58 PM

Ill be very disappointed if we don't get Elam. He's a playmaker, he has whatever it is.

And so does Mathieu, I also wouldn't mind grabbing him with a comp pick in the 5th or 6th.

Immediately plays a role on special teams, can help in the slot corner positions, play some safety if stuck.

**JAB1985** · 01-22-2013, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

Ill be very disappointed if we don't get Elam. He's a playmaker, he has whatever it is.

And so does Mathieu, I also wouldn't mind grabbing him with a comp pick in the 5th or 6th.

Immediately plays a role on special teams, can help in the slot corner positions, play some safety if stuck.

Id be a lot happier with udfa on mathieu. Sure he makes the big play but just about everyone says hes undisciplined within a defense to do such which matxhes his off field behvior, wreckless.

Elam however seems to fit the mold. He also seema like a guy thatll end up a fast riser and go higher than expected, or at least thought right now. Mathieu probably fits that mold as well as im sure somebody takes a chance on him around the 3rd or 4th.

**leachisabeast** · 01-22-2013, 06:21 PM

This defense needs speed, so Elam, Greene and a Mathieu would certainly help with that. Would be happy with three of them as long as we don't pick Mathieu any earlier than the 4th round.

**bmorecareful** · 01-22-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I also am not a fan of Jenkins.

The same stuff we are hearing about him were said about Cody...questionable motor, going to need to get in shape and control his weight...wasn't dominant in college.

No way I take him in the first.

I agree with you on Jenkins. Not too much of a fan of him at all, nor am I much of a fan of taking a DT/NT who offers no pass rush value and only plays 2 downs in the 1st round. I just don't think that's today's NFL at all.

It's got to be a pass rusher, OT, or DB in the first. Just don't see a ton of appeal from the other positions, nor does there seem to be obvious positional value.

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I like Kasheme Greene in the second, yeah he's only 6'0, but he weighs 237 lbs, good weight for that height. He is very athletic and speedy, he runs around the field making tackles, he was an emotional leader at Rutgers, he could be a very solid second day pick. Matt Elam and Greene would be very solid picks. I would go with a wideout or OL in the 3rd round.

I like Khaseem Greene a lot. Being only 6'0 isn't a deal-breaker... he's got the coverage ability we need, he's a great leader, and he'd probably immediately be the best athlete in our front 7. I'm a very big fan. I had him going in the 2nd round to the Ravens in my mock from a month or so ago, along with Elam in the 1st. I agree with you that good options at OL and/or WR will be available in rounds 3 and 4.

**wickedsolo** · 01-22-2013, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I like Kasheme Greene in the second, yeah he's only 6'0, but he weighs 237 lbs, good weight for that height. He is very athletic and speedy, he runs around the field making tackles, he was an emotional leader at Rutgers, he could be a very solid second day pick. Matt Elam and Greene would be very solid picks. I would go with a wideout or OL in the 3rd round.

I am a huge fan of Greene.

Rutgers has a couple of nice prospects coming out this year. Logan Ryan is a pretty damn good cornerback as well.

**wickedsolo** · 01-22-2013, 07:19 PM

Mike Mayock thinks that there will be 3 or 4 QB's taken in round 1.

The only way that happens is if teams like the Bills, Jets, Browns, Chiefs, etc trade back up into round 1.

The names he tossed out:

Geno Smith, obviously...Mike Glennon Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson, and Zac Dysert.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-22-2013, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Mike Mayock thinks that there will be 3 or 4 QB's taken in round 1.

The only way that happens is if teams like the Bills, Jets, Browns, Chiefs, etc trade back up into round 1.

The names he tossed out:

Geno Smith, obviously...Mike Glennon Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson, and Zac Dysert.

While they would all be over drafted, it wouldn't surprise me...QB'S are always over drafted.

2 years ago, who thought Ponder, Gabbert and Locker would all be top 15 picks?

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**Sirdowski** · 01-22-2013, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

While they would all be over drafted, it wouldn't surprise me...QB'S are always over drafted.

2 years ago, who thought Ponder, Gabbert and Locker would all be top 15 picks?

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This is exactly why he's saying that this year. The valuation of the QB position is growing more and more forcing these guys down.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-22-2013, 09:43 PM

I'm all for a lot of QB'S going in the first...it just pushes more guys down to us.

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**Ravenalytics** · 01-22-2013, 09:48 PM

I am wowed by that Elam highlight reel. He looks like the next Ed Reed/Rod Woodson/Troy Polamalu.

What I love is the way he uses his legs to get momentum on tackles. Did you notice how often he does a corkscrew motion in the air?

With this whole Te'o thing, my hope has changed to Elam.

**Sirdowski** · 01-22-2013, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I'm all for a lot of QB'S going in the first...it just pushes more guys down to us.

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My thoughts exactly.

It's always exciting to see what happens / who falls when one of the wildcard QBs gets drafted in the first.

**leachisabeast** · 01-23-2013, 01:30 AM

I just think Greene and Elam would be typical Raven style picks, both play fast and hard and as far as I know have no character concerns off the field, and the only reason they will likely be there at the end of each round is because of the devaluing position that they play. Both would fill needs too, as we just need more speed on defense, both Elam and Greene are very fast and physical players and are both arguably day 1 starters.

**leachisabeast** · 01-23-2013, 01:32 AM

I'm not sure about four QB's, I would have thought maybe 3 QB's in the first round, Nassib, Glennon, and Geno Smith. I can see the Cards, Chiefs, and Bills taking QB's, everyone else doesn't really have a dire need at QB.

I like Glennon the most, he reminds me of Flacco coming out, but doesn't have great pocket presence.