Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**wickedsolo** · 02-09-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by alien bird

I just read one of the worst mock drafts ever on Bleacher Report, dated February 8. It has the Ravens taking Shayne Skov (LB, Stanford) in the 2nd round. If I'm not mistaken, Skov declared in January that he was returning to Stanford for another year.

He did.

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**wickedsolo** · 02-09-2013, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

What about Jermon Bushrod? He's somewhat a "local" guy and was pretty good for Brees last year if I remember correctly.

Ehhh...Oher is really no better.

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**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-09-2013, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

What about Jermon Bushrod? He's somewhat a "local" guy and was pretty good for Brees last year if I remember correctly.

He's a pretty classic case of a LT who is made to look a lot better than he is due to the QB moving in the pocket and getting rid of the ball quick.

**wickedsolo** · 02-09-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

He's a pretty classic case of a LT who is made to look a lot better than he is due to the QB moving in the pocket and getting rid of the ball quick.

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**leachisabeast** · 02-10-2013, 01:27 AM

I'd take McKinnie over Bushrod.

Right now the players I want from the first three rounds:
Kevin Minter
Brandon Williams
Chris Faulk (IF Reed is re-signed, if not, then I'd like Rambo)

Eric Reid is also someone I'd like in the second round, not sure out of him an Rambo. I like Philip Thomas too. Of course I'd love Matt Elam in the second round, but I just don't see him sticking around that long.

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2013, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I'd take McKinnie over Bushrod.

Right now the players I want from the first three rounds:
Kevin Minter
Brandon Williams
Chris Faulk (IF Reed is re-signed, if not, then I'd like Rambo)

Eric Reid is also someone I'd like in the second round, not sure out of him an Rambo. I like Philip Thomas too. Of course I'd love Matt Elam in the second round, but I just don't see him sticking around that long.

Rambo is interesting, but the dude had a pretty rough outing during the Senior Bowl. Was caught out of position several times and looked slow.

I think I would rather Phillip Thomas out of Fresno State, Brandon Bishop out of NC State, or JJ wilcox out of Georgia Southern.

Taking a guy like Amerson and moving him back to safety could also work nicely.

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**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Rambo is interesting, but the dude had a pretty rough outing during the Senior Bowl. Was caught out of position several times and looked slow.

I think I would rather Phillip Thomas out of Fresno State, Brandon Bishop out of NC State, or JJ wilcox out of Georgia Southern.

Taking a guy like Amerson and moving him back to safety could also work nicely.

Bishop was once of the first DBs I watched film on, and 4 months later, he's still the biggest thumper I've seen this year. He also has great instincts.

**srobert96** · 02-10-2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

He is a good fit for this team though. Especially as the slot.

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This. Boldin does not get separation and when he is on the outside he is always covered which is why he needs to make circus catches. The Ravens really need to get a receiver on the outside so that Boldin can continue to work the middle of the field where he can get open. If the Ravens bring Boldin back they really need to work out of three wr sets more.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 08:17 AM

Been watching coaches film

on John Youboty DE/OLB out of Temple. 6'4 258 with a solid build. Moves well laterally. Seems to locate the ball well. Pursues down the line very well and generally pursues the ball to the whistle. His effort at 21:03 is outstanding. We need to get faster on defense and this cat has speed.

Can be a bit undisciplined at times vs. the run...like DEs and OLBs can be, but I think with some coaching + 10 lbs + a pro training regimen, this cat could be a solid pro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y090XuENm4

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-10-2013, 08:37 AM

Not a fan of Bishop.

IMHO...we need someone faster that will cover a lot of ground...we already have a thumper in Pollard.

**jaydee414** · 02-10-2013, 08:38 AM

Can we draft Youboty so we can nickname him, "Sheik"?

**GOTA** · 02-10-2013, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I'd take McKinnie over Bushrod.

Right now the players I want from the first three rounds:
Kevin Minter
Brandon Williams
Chris Faulk (IF Reed is re-signed, if not, then I'd like Rambo)

Eric Reid is also someone I'd like in the second round, not sure out of him an Rambo. I like Philip Thomas too. Of course I'd love Matt Elam in the second round, but I just don't see him sticking around that long.

Reid hasn't been the same with Mathieu gone. Mathieu was the Ed Reed of that defense and despite the great size that Eric Reid has he's just not ever going to be the guy at safety. He seems to be able to either focus on pass or on the run but not both. If the NFL he's going to bite on a lot for the first couple of seasons. Elam is who we want at Safety but I'm not even sure he makes it to our 1st round pick. I can't see him being their by our 2nd round pick.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 09:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjcPccFogu4

Ok...finally found some tape on Xavier Boyce (6'4 220 lb WR from Norfolk State).
I barely got two minutes deep into Xavier Boyce's tape and he is horrible.
Doesn't use his size at all. Bad hands. Slow footed. Average speed.

Ok...skipped ahead a bit and he's still bad.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Not a fan of Bishop.

IMHO...we need someone faster that will cover a lot of ground...we already have a thumper in Pollard.

Definitely not a starter. He would be depth and outstanding on ST.

**kronusthebonus** · 02-10-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Reid hasn't been the same with Mathieu gone. Mathieu was the Ed Reed of that defense and despite the great size that Eric Reid has he's just not ever going to be the guy at safety. He seems to be able to either focus on pass or on the run but not both. If the NFL he's going to bite on a lot for the first couple of seasons. Elam is who we want at Safety but I'm not even sure he makes it to our 1st round pick. I can't see him being their by our 2nd round pick.

I love Elam too, and I'd hope he makes it there with our pick. I always get scared when Oz trades out of the first round to get more picks, but, you can't argue with the success of the 2012 draft.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 10:18 AM

So from the perspective of fit or "what I think we need", my WR board is below.
Assumption 1: Boldin and JJ12 will be back and in their 2012 positions (slot and #3/X respectively)

1st - No one
2nd - Quinton Patton LATech
3rd - Studman Bailey WVU, Markus Wheaton ORSt, DeAndre Hopkins Clemson, Tavarres King UGA (all four in the top-half of the 3rd)
4th - Uzoma Nwachukwu TX A&M
5th - Chad Bumphis MSST, Darius Johnson SMU

While their skill strength and production vary, each of these guys is a technician...not an athlete playing the position.
I think the best technician is Studman. I think the best athlete is Nwachukwu. The best hands belong to Darius Johnson.

Nwachukwu and Bumphis will not be at the Combine...and that's great for us and the other teams that don't value the Combine all that much. FWIW...King and Nwachukwu (the latter IMO has feature WR talent, despite how he was used at TX A&M) are alike. Wheaton and Johnson are also alike.

**Miz89** · 02-10-2013, 10:20 AM

I would love for us to get the Honey Badger at some point. If we brought back Reed, and he took Mathieu under his wing, he could take Reed's place as best ballhawk in the NFL when he retires. I feel the same about the dude from NC State.

Who do you guys like for the first round? Some kids I'm keeping my eye on:
LB Alec Ogletree. Would love this guy, the one prospect I want the most.
LB Kevin Minter.
DT Sheldon Richardson. Would really help our run D.
DE Sam Montgomery.
DT Shariff Floyd.
DT Jesse Williams.
LB Manti Te'o. I would really love this if not for the championship game and the whole girlfriend hoax.
WR Cordarrelle Patterson. Will probably boost his stock way up before the draft, but if this guy were somehow there when we are up to pick, I think it'd be hard to pass on his playmaking ability.

**jonboy79** · 02-10-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

So from the perspective of fit or "what I think we need", my WR board is below.
Assumption 1: Boldin and JJ12 will be back and in their 2012 positions (slot and #3/X respectively)

1st - No one
2nd - Quinton Patton LATech
3rd - Studman Bailey WVU, Markus Wheaton ORSt, DeAndre Hopkins Clemson, Tavarres King UGA (all four in the top-half of the 3rd)
4th - Uzoma Nwachukwu TX A&M
5th - Chad Bumphis MSST, Darius Johnson SMU

While their skill strength and production vary, each of these guys is a technician...not an athlete playing the position.
I think the best technician is Studman. I think the best athlete is Nwachukwu. The best hands belong to Darius Johnson.

Nwachukwu, Bumphis and Johnson will not be at the Combine...and that's great for us and the other teams that don't value the Combine all that much. FWIW...King and Nwachukwu (the latter IMO has feature WR talent, despite how he was used at TX A&M) are alike. Wheaton and Johnson are also alike.

So you do not like Tavon Austin?

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

So you do not like Tavon Austin?

I love him dearly lol, but my assumption of Boldin coming back in 2013 and playing the slot takes Austin out of the mix. He can't play out wide at his size. If Boldin is not around for 2013 than I will put Austin in the 1st round b/c he would be our 2013 slot WR.

Bumphis played the slot at MSST, but I think he could play the #2 due to his build.
Johnson's hands are so good that I'm willing to let him develop in 2013 before replacing Boldin in the slot in 2014.
I would do the same thing for Austin, but no one could justify not starting 1st round WR. Justifying Johnson is easy b/c he's a 5th rounder.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-10-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Miz89

Who do you guys like for the first round? Some kids I'm keeping my eye on:
LB Alec Ogletree. Would love this guy, the one prospect I want the most. (Like but gone)
LB Kevin Minter. (Top ILB prospect, but plays too inconsistently for a 1st rounder IMO)
DT Sheldon Richardson. Would really help our run D. (Love but gone)
DE Sam Montgomery. (Haven't watched him)
DT Shariff Floyd. (Love but gone)
DT Jesse Williams. (Like and may be available)
LB Manti Te'o. I would really love this if not for the championship game and the whole girlfriend hoax. (Don't like. Don't want)
WR Cordarrelle Patterson. Will probably boost his stock way up before the draft, but if this guy were somehow there when we are up to pick, I think it'd be hard to pass on his playmaking ability. (Like but gone)

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