Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-24-2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

3rd round pick LOL are you joking?

When it comes to QBs, these are desperate times for about 20 or so teams out of 32.

**wickedsolo** · 02-24-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by bt12483

I would never, never, give a 3rd for Smith. But if the 63 rumor holds indeed that is what KC did.

Wow...some NFL fan bases have it really rough. We are spoiled.

Well, IMO that is too high for Alex Smith...

That said, he has proven that he can be a starter in this league. Is a 3rd rounder really too much to give up for a starting QB?

**bt12483** · 02-24-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Well, IMO that is too high for Alex Smith...

That said, he has proven that he can be a starter in this league. Is a 3rd rounder really too much to give up for a starting QB?

They should have an extra 3rd coming for losing Carr. But you are talking top 3rd vs. bottom 3rd.

SF is already stacked with picks...they are going to be a tough out for years.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-24-2013, 06:18 PM

Man Bites Dawg‏@ManBitesDawg

LaCanfora reports a deal is done and will be completed for Alex Smith on March 12. He cites that its either with KC or JAX.

Retweeted by Benjamin Allbright

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**The Excellector** · 02-24-2013, 06:25 PM

Buffalo wouldn't make sense, because Smith would be a little more than a lateral move for them. They'd be better off drafting their guy, probably next year. Arizona wouldn't make sense, because they are apparently getting pressure from ownership to draft a guy and Smith wouldn't fit Arians system. If Jacksonville says they are out, there is nobody else left.

The only shocker would be the Jets. Which wouldn't be a shocker, now that I think about it.

**Paintballguy** · 02-24-2013, 06:31 PM

@RapSheet: This week, #Ravens and QB Joe Flacco's agent Joe Linta have negotiated for 8 hours. What do I hear? "Plugging away" ... So far, so good.

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**The Excellector** · 02-24-2013, 06:34 PM

I got the sense that Bisciotti adamantly wanted this done quickly. When he spoke of using the tag and later deadlines, the way in which he said it gave me the impression that he had just caught himself getting too one sided about the situation, sort of the way Linta is playing it now.

**alien bird** · 02-24-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

3rd round pick LOL are you joking?

Not necessarily from Kansas City's perspective. If they don't make that trade, they are using either their 1st or 2nd rounder for a QB. At least this way, they are using their 3rd, and Alex Smith is far more NFL-ready than anyone they would be getting in the 3rd round. Additionally, they are projected to get a 3rd round compensatory pick, so that's going to be another pick in the top 100. If they hit on those picks (#1, #34, #96/97comp, #99/100) that would be a successful draft. Those picks could net them Luke Joeckel, Jonathan Banks, Kiko Alonso and Stedman Bailey. Add Alex Smith and I think Andy Reid would be sitting fat and happy.

This gives them at least another draft or two to find their long-term franchise guy. They can use the 1st and 2nd rounders to get two impact players. Kansas City has a lot of offensive talent, and Alex Smith will be an upgrade from Cassel, giving them an outside shot at a playoff spot.

**bt12483** · 02-24-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by alien bird

Not necessarily from Kansas City's perspective. If they don't make that trade, they are using either their 1st or 2nd rounder for a QB. At least this way, they are using their 3rd, and Alex Smith is far more NFL-ready than anyone they would be getting in the 3rd round. Additionally, they are projected to get a 3rd round compensatory pick, so that's going to be another pick in the top 100. If they hit on those picks (#1, #34, #96/97comp, #99/100) that would be a successful draft. Those picks could net them Luke Joeckel, Jonathan Banks, Kiko Alonso and Stedman Bailey. Add Alex Smith and I think Andy Reid would be sitting fat and happy.

This gives them at least another draft or two to find their long-term franchise guy. They can use the 1st and 2nd rounders to get two impact players. Kansas City has a lot of offensive talent, and Alex Smith will be an upgrade from Cassel, giving them an outside shot at a playoff spot.

ProFootballCentral (on twitter) says it is for a 3rd AND a later pick, and an announcement should come tomorrow.

Not sure if the guy running ProFootballCentral has ever leaked info or been accurate before. But Walter from Walter Football retweeted their stuff earlier.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-24-2013, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by bt12483

ProFootballCentral (on twitter) says it is for a 3rd AND a later pick, and an announcement should come tomorrow.

Not sure if the guy running ProFootballCentral has ever leaked info or been accurate before. But Walter from Walter Football retweeted their stuff earlier.

Wow.

This is an incredibly QB starved league.

Well, Andy Reid was bound to get raped on a QB trade after he's unloaded all his QB garbage on others.

**bt12483** · 02-24-2013, 07:38 PM

saw this on a chiefs forum:

**wickedsolo** · 02-24-2013, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Wow.

This is an incredibly QB starved league.

Well, Andy Reid was bound to get raped on a QB trade after he's unloaded all his QB garbage on others.

The other thing too is Andy Reid is very good at getting production from avg QB's.

Kolb, AJ Feely, Vick...

I think it is a good situation for both Alex Smith and Andy Reid.

Don't be surprised if Andy Reid uses a mid round pick on someone like Zac Dysert, Marqueis Gray, or Colby Cameron.

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 01:20 AM

Assuming we sign Flacco and fill defensive needs in FA, why not complete the offense around Flacco? Why not double up on two promising offensive players with the first two picks and get Tavon Austin (would instantly be an impact player, and would complete an already solid WR corps), and get your future franchise LT like a Menelik Watson with the 2nd round pick (may need to trade up a bit to secure him). Then use the other picks on mid round defensive prospects like Kevin Reddick.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-25-2013, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Assuming we sign Flacco and fill defensive needs in FA, why not complete the offense around Flacco? Why not double up on two promising offensive players with the first two picks and get Tavon Austin (would instantly be an impact player, and would complete an already solid WR corps), and get your future franchise LT like a Menelik Watson with the 2nd round pick (may need to trade up a bit to secure him). Then use the other picks on mid round defensive prospects like Kevin Reddick.

I just don't think we'll have the loot. We'll see how the FA landscape shakes out (cuts, market rates, etc.)...

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Assuming we sign Flacco and fill defensive needs in FA, why not complete the offense around Flacco? Why not double up on two promising offensive players with the first two picks and get Tavon Austin (would instantly be an impact player, and would complete an already solid WR corps), and get your future franchise LT like a Menelik Watson with the 2nd round pick (may need to trade up a bit to secure him). Then use the other picks on mid round defensive prospects like Kevin Reddick.

I've been on the Tavon Austin bandwagon. I'd love to get him. I just think he'll be gone by 32.

**bmorecareful** · 02-25-2013, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Assuming we sign Flacco and fill defensive needs in FA, why not complete the offense around Flacco? Why not double up on two promising offensive players with the first two picks and get Tavon Austin (would instantly be an impact player, and would complete an already solid WR corps), and get your future franchise LT like a Menelik Watson with the 2nd round pick (may need to trade up a bit to secure him). Then use the other picks on mid round defensive prospects like Kevin Reddick.

I believe this would be a viable strategy. It's going to depend on who the BPA is of course and which position groups are stronger than others throughout the draft.

The OT group is very shallow this year. After the top 3 guys, there's a pretty big dropoff to Terron Armstead, Menelik Watson, etc. but those guys are still going to go fairly early due to positional value. I don't see Ozzie reaching for one of them, so that could reduce our likelihood of getting one of those sort of uber-talented raw/project guys.

I still think we'll acquire a technically sound guy without elite athleticism or measurables in the mid rounds to potentially be our LT of the future like a Quessenberry, Bakhtiari, etc. WR is another story... guys like DeAndre Hopkins and Tavon Austin would be legit BPA candidates at #32. I could easily see WR being the pick, although the dream scenario is probably still a FS or ILB dropping to #32.

Pass rusher I feel can be filled in the middle rounds. Brandon Jenkins is a guy I would target. Same for NT... Brandon Williams is the guy I would target although I wouldn't be upset with Jesse Williams, Kwame Geathers, or Montori Hughes. All of those are 2nd-4th type of guys and I feel all of them would be at least viable rotational guys to take snaps away from Cody in 2013 and start in 2014.

Again, those are just a few examples of how the depth and shallow positions in the draft shake out.

**Ravenswintitle** · 02-25-2013, 07:32 AM

Alex Smith to KC makes sense; I don't expect Geno Smith to be drafted very high but it will be 1st

**wickedsolo** · 02-25-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Alex Smith to KC makes sense; I don't expect Geno Smith to be drafted very high but it will be 1st

Cleveland, Buffalo, or Arizona could target him.

**Sirdowski** · 02-25-2013, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Cleveland, Buffalo, or Arizona could target him.

There's no doubt in my mind geno smith will be a top 5 pick.

People have short memories. I keep hearing how there's no sure thing QB prospects. When is there?? Last year was an absolute anomaly, not the norm.

In 2011 Jake locker and Blaine Gabbert were top ten picks. Christian Ponder 12th overall??? If Glennon were in that draft he would have gone before ponder just on upside alone, and he's what, the third, fourth best QB prospect this year?

There is going to be two QBs taken in the top ten is my guess, probably 4 in the first round. I set the QB O/U at 3.

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 09:37 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...ack/index.html

3. The Ravens and Joe Flacco are making progress. The club negotiator, Pat Moriarty, and agent Joe Linta spent four hours together Friday night, then were spotted at the Capital Grille having dinner. This isn't degenerating into what happened last summer -- yet, and I don't think it will -- when Linta and Flacco walked away with a deal agonizingly close. The Ravens know they can find a way to do a cap-friendly deal in years one and two, Flacco knows he doesn't want to leave Baltimore, and the extended conversation is a good sign that the two sides can reach a five- or six-year deal to keep the unsigned Flacco in Baltimore through the middle of his prime years before free agency opens in two weeks.