Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**leachisabeast** · 02-28-2013, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

What, you've never gotten in a fight on the court before?

Dude, I'm not disagreeing with you that you can't win in the NFL with a team full of choir boys.

What I am saying is that - regardless of Bryant's brush with the law - he's never been that great of a player.

I also find it funny that a few days ago regarding a post about Cullen Jenkins you practically scoffed and claimed that "The Ravens need a run stopping DT...not someone like Cullen Jenkins" and now, here you are making a case why the Ravens need a player like Bryant because he is a good pass rushing DE/DT (which Jenkins is too...who also has experience in a 3-4...which Bryant does not).

Of course I have, and thats what I'm trying to say that fans should stop being so negative when someone is mentioned a possibility because he had a run in with the law. Btw, maybe thug was the wrong term to use, its just I remember Brian Billick used to use that word when interviewing prospects about some law they broke, "You're either stupid, or you're a thug, which one is it?".

And on Desmond, he is still at a decent age at 27, has great size at 6'6 310 lbs, and is a better run stopper than Cullen IMO and from what I've seen. What I really like about Bryant is that he's really going to go unnoticed in FA because of that woeful defense that he was on. He still had his best year as a pro with absolutely garbage talent around him (tbf to Seymore, he's still a pretty solid player, but is just old now). Also, I think this was just a one off thing with him, he went to Harvard for christ sakes! lol

**leachisabeast** · 02-28-2013, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Giants also re-signed William Beatty.

5 year, $38 mill I believe.

So, avg's about 7.6 mill per year.

Maybe the Ravens could afford Jake Long? haha

I think we can afford a lot more players than you'd probably think if we get Flacco signed before the deadline which looks like a 50/50 at this point. Btw, its a great re-signing for NYG.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think we can afford a lot more players than you'd probably think if we get Flacco signed before the deadline which looks like a 50/50 at this point. Btw, its a great re-signing for NYG.

Agreed. Beatty was solid last year. I think he could become one of the better LT's in the league.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Of course I have, and thats what I'm trying to say that fans should stop being so negative when someone is mentioned a possibility because he had a run in with the law. Btw, maybe thug was the wrong term to use, its just I remember Brian Billick used to use that word when interviewing prospects about some law they broke, "You're either stupid, or you're a thug, which one is it?".

And on Desmond, he is still at a decent age at 27, has great size at 6'6 310 lbs, and is a better run stopper than Cullen IMO and from what I've seen. What I really like about Bryant is that he's really going to go unnoticed in FA because of that woeful defense that he was on. He still had his best year as a pro with absolutely garbage talent around him (tbf to Seymore, he's still a pretty solid player, but is just old now). Also, I think this was just a one off thing with him, he went to Harvard for christ sakes! lol

Keep in mind, they still have Ryan McBean as a possibility. He's not much of a pass rusher, but he is a good run stopping DT. It's a shame he broke his ankle last pre-season. I think he would have been a solid contributor.

**Paintballguy** · 02-28-2013, 06:22 AM

One year after signing a three-year, $12 million contract, Lloyd is on the verge of getting cut. Per beat writer Tom Curran, Lloyd isn't even listed on the organization's projected 2013 depth chart. It's a surprise after Lloyd came on very strong late in the season, compiling 36 catches for 452 yards and two touchdowns over the final six games (including playoffs). CSN New England cites "an enigmatic personality, aversion to physical contact, inability to find a consistent niche in the offense and financial disposability" as reasons for the breakup. The Pats will be in the market for an outside receiver even if they get free agent Wes Welker under contract.

**leachisabeast** · 02-28-2013, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Keep in mind, they still have Ryan McBean as a possibility. He's not much of a pass rusher, but he is a good run stopping DT. It's a shame he broke his ankle last pre-season. I think he would have been a solid contributor.

Yeah thats someone to look out for, kind of forgot about him, supposedly he was really aggressive in TC.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

One year after signing a three-year, $12 million contract, Lloyd is on the verge of getting cut. Per beat writer Tom Curran, Lloyd isn't even listed on the organization's projected 2013 depth chart. It's a surprise after Lloyd came on very strong late in the season, compiling 36 catches for 452 yards and two touchdowns over the final six games (including playoffs). CSN New England cites "an enigmatic personality, aversion to physical contact, inability to find a consistent niche in the offense and financial disposability" as reasons for the breakup. The Pats will be in the market for an outside receiver even if they get free agent Wes Welker under contract.

Which is weird because he really likes Josh McDaniels.

I read that he was just really standoffish in the locker room, didn't get along with anyone, didn't really try to get along with anyone, wasn't receptive to coaching, etc.

**leachisabeast** · 02-28-2013, 06:48 AM

Any interest from anyone for him coming to Baltimore?

**RavenScallywag** · 02-28-2013, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Any interest from anyone for him coming to Baltimore?

If the reports are true, no f-ing way. I'd rather go for less talented guys who are team players, like Jacoby Jones.

**JAB1985** · 02-28-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Yeah thats someone to look out for, kind of forgot about him, supposedly he was really aggressive in TC.

I thought he started to show promise as a pass rusher before leaving denver. Didnt he have 8 sacks or something his last year? I think losing McBean was huge for this team, I think Ozzie had him pegged as our Redding replacement to help the run game but was expecting him to bring more pressure as well. I think hell be back this year.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-28-2013, 07:52 AM

Dane Brugler‏@dpbrugler

When asked about why he was kicked off the team at Tennessee, Rogers answered: “It is simple: Immaturity." He said it "humbled him a lot"

Dane Brugler‏@dpbrugler

Rogers had 3 failed drug tests at UT, but was tested 10 times at Tennessee Tech and passed each one, saying "I haven’t picked it up since"

Dane Brugler‏@dpbrugler

When asked if the drug questions were fair, Rogers answered: “If they are going to invest in me, I have to be honest and upfront with them.”

I'm not a Da'Rick Rogers fan, but those who are may be interested here.

**bt12483** · 02-28-2013, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Any interest from anyone for him coming to Baltimore?

No. He is a 31 year old catch and fall WR. He gives you nothing after the catch.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I'm not a Da'Rick Rogers fan, but those who are may be interested here.

I like Rogers a lot. Big guy, nice speed, great hands, and he breaks a lot of tackles.

bmorecareful has said it, and I agree with him: Rogers would be a good replacement for Boldin. He's a very physical receiver.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Any interest from anyone for him coming to Baltimore?

No.

He's shown that he can be decent in Josh McDaniels' offense...but that's it.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-28-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I don't know what to think of Gooden as a prospect, but I think it's unfair to use T Gooden as a reason not to draft the kid, just because they had similar attributes coming out of college and shared the same last name. Zavier Gooden could end up being a totally different player, we don't know that. There are plenty of raw athletic LBs who come out and develop into very solid players in the NFL.

Who said anything about comparing them because they have the same last name?

I compared them because they share a LOT of the same attributes coming out of college. In fact, I'd argue Tavares was more physical and instinctive than anything I've seen from Zavier.

If we were to draft him and only play him on passing downs, sure I'm down with that. But any idea of making him a 3 down guy...I don't see it.

**wickedsolo** · 02-28-2013, 08:33 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cut-ultimatum/

Dan Connor could be cut from the Cowboys.

I've always liked him. Solid linebacker. If the Ravens can't keep Ellerbe (or even if they do) Connor might be a nice player who likely wouldn't cost that much. He has experience in a 3-4 and 4-3.

**Miz89** · 02-28-2013, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I'm not a Da'Rick Rogers fan, but those who are may be interested here.

Could be this year's Mike Williams of the Bucs. I liked his potential a lot before I lost track of him when UT kicked him off the team.

**leachisabeast** · 02-28-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Who said anything about comparing them because they have the same last name?

I compared them because they share a LOT of the same attributes coming out of college. In fact, I'd argue Tavares was more physical and instinctive than anything I've seen from Zavier.

If we were to draft him and only play him on passing downs, sure I'm down with that. But any idea of making him a 3 down guy...I don't see it.

This kid is projected to go in the 3rd/4th rounds, you can't pick every down players with every pick. I understand 1st or 2nd round, or even early 3rd round is too high for him, but if he's going to be good for you in sub package plays, then you draft him. So many sub package players can come in and make key plays at key moments in games these days, everyone wants an every down player, the reality is you're not going to find them with most of your draft picks.

I also think its way too premature to say he can't make it as a 3 down LB in the league when you have coaches who are determined to change that in a player. I remember Zach Brown who ran a ridiculous 4.5 (or something along those lines) last year, and went in the second round to Tennessee. I know a lot of people who said he wasn't an every down player, and couldn't play in run support to save his life, but he's gone on to have a really good start with a solid rookie year and became a starter in Tennesse.

Now, I'm not saying Zavier Gooden is going to be like that, and I'm not even suggesting that we should even draft him, but guys like this have a lot of potential IMO.

**JAB1985** · 02-28-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I'm not a Da'Rick Rogers fan, but those who are may be interested here.

sounds like all the right answers, but that doesnt mean it was spoke genuinely.

Personally id take a chance on him, I think he and Justin Hunter are going to be the better WRs that come out of this class.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-28-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

This kid is projected to go in the 3rd/4th rounds, you can't pick every down players with every pick. I understand 1st or 2nd round, or even early 3rd round is too high for him, but if he's going to be good for you in sub package plays, then you draft him. So many sub package players can come in and make key plays at key moments in games these days, everyone wants an every down player, the reality is you're not going to find them with most of your draft picks.

I also think its way too premature to say he can't make it as a 3 down LB in the league when you have coaches who are determined to change that in a player. I remember Zach Brown who ran a ridiculous 4.5 (or something along those lines) last year, and went in the second round to Tennessee. I know a lot of people who said he wasn't an every down player, and couldn't play in run support to save his life, but he's gone on to have a really good start with a solid rookie year and became a starter in Tennesse.

Now, I'm not saying Zavier Gooden is going to be like that, and I'm not even suggesting that we should even draft him, but guys like this have a lot of potential IMO.

Dude, it's my opinion based off of what I've seen.

You seem to be annoyed I compared him to Tavares...well, that is what we all do...fans, media, teams...we compare guys to others who had similar traits that came out earlier. You insist on comparing Jesse Williams to Vince Wilfork which I don't agree with. Are we only allowed to compare guys to really good players?

And of course I know that he could wind up being good...there are players picked in every round and undrafted guys that turn out to be good players. There are going to be players in this draft that you don't like that turn out to be good players. Should you never say you don't like a particular player in the draft because of that? I'm giving my opinion of him based on what I've seen. I can't do anything other than that and neither can you or anybody else.

Sorry, a 3rd or 4th round pick is mo re valuable IMHO than what you are making it out to be. That 3rd or 4th round pick could be a more complete LB who doesn't run as fast, or a developmental LT, or a safety, or a guy like Da'rick Rogers...those are important picks. Hell, we blew a 3rd in 2008 on what I see "coming out of college"...which is all we have for guys who are in fact "coming out of college" on a similar player and he didn't give us anything.