Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

I've been advocating, on several posts, that KO may be able to be our LT of the future. I would not again move Oher back there because he cannot handle it. If McKinnie isn't resigned, and a high draft choice isn't used on LT, then IMO KO would be best suited there among any of our current Olinemen... Bc

Bc, I too would like to see KO get a crack at LT. I will say, while at RT he seemed to have issues with speed rushers and he just dominated at LG...so, it is kind of up in the air.

Thing is, they will have a shot at some solid guard prospects in rounds 1 and 2.

Jon Cooper
Barrett Jones
Dallas Thomas
Larry Warford
DJ Fluker

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**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2013, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I think he has a place here since he has made his home here for the last 4 years and until he actually leaves, he still considers himself a Baltimore Raven.

Frankly, I don't think Ozzie is in the position to offer him a deal until he figures out what's going on with Joe...we don't even know how much cap space we are going to have.

Dude, I'm telling you...Flacco's deal is already done and in place.

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**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2013, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven

I think the Ravens should take a hard look at Larry Grant... He's a guy that could just be in a bad spot. There aren't many guys that could start over Willis and Bowman. He's also really good in coverage.

I like him too. He would be excellent depth at the very least. Experienced 3-4 inside lb too.

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**alien bird** · 02-10-2013, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I like him too. He would be excellent depth at the very least. Experienced 3-4 inside lb too.

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His contract last year was for $1.2M, so it wouldn't take a lot of money to sign him - all things being equal. However, he did grow up in the San Francisco area, so maybe he wants to stay where he is.

**LouisianaRaven** · 02-10-2013, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by alien bird

His contract last year was for $1.2M, so it wouldn't take a lot of money to sign him - all things being equal. However, he did grow up in the San Francisco area, so maybe he wants to stay where he is.

Well, hopefully he wants a change of scenery.

**leachisabeast** · 02-11-2013, 12:50 AM

For the record, I see Ellerbe signing a Cutris Lofton type deal, basically 25 over 5, 12 guaranteed, his first year cap hit was only $1M, so that would be pretty sweet if we got Ellerbe to agree to that.

**leachisabeast** · 02-11-2013, 01:46 AM

Who would be interested in Martellus Bennet?

**BigPlayReceiver** · 02-11-2013, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Who would be interested in Martellus Bennet?

He could be something but I'd like to keep our funds for our critical needs. Too much talent at the position in the Draft to sign anyone from the market IMO.

**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

For the record, I see Ellerbe signing a Cutris Lofton type deal, basically 25 over 5, 12 guaranteed, his first year cap hit was only $1M, so that would be pretty sweet if we got Ellerbe to agree to that.

Quite possible. Lofton had multiple years of high production though...that deal might be too high for Ellerbe. Then again, not a bad price for a starting ILB.

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**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Who would be interested in Martellus Bennet?

I would love to see him in a Ravens uniform.

Word is that he wants to play with his brother, Michael Bennett, who is a FA defensive end from the Bucs.

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**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

He could be something but I'd like to keep our funds for our critical needs. Too much talent at the position in the Draft to sign anyone from the market IMO.

Good point.

Michael Williams and Dion Sims are similar skill sets to Bennett.

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**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 06:38 AM

What about Delanie Walker?

He is a FA. He's a good blocker as well as an underrated receiver.

**srobert96** · 02-11-2013, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

He had a fantastic year.

His run defense needs to improve, but he's the perfect center fielder, he really surprised me this year, I kind of expected him to be nothing more than another Tom Zibikowski. His coverage was immense, and that's in a pass happy division, he did great for a rookie. Time will tell when we re visit this with Upshaw vs Harrison, because we had the clear choice between the two. Upshaw was spectacular in run defense, but has shown nothing as a pass rusher in his rookie year, although I have a feeling he'll eventually come into his own as a pass rusher, at least we know he can set the edge to an elite level already though.

Another guy who had a very solid year that we had a shot at getting was Cordy Glenn. I think it was you who thought he could be a LT in this league, well so far you're right. Glenn was very solid at LT this season, and could be the Bills franchise LT for years to come. Everyone thought he'd be a guard or RT at best.

Makes you wonder if KO could actually play LT in the NFL.

Clearly blinded by your hate of ND. Harrison Smith is already head and shoulders better than Zibby. Harrison Smith was excellent. Analyst have raved about his plays. He was on ESPN's all rookie team. Also Trevor Robinson did a great job as a rookie center for the Bengals. He made ESPN's all rookie team. Kyle Rudolph is not too bad as a 2nd year player either. Made it to the Pro Bowl this year.

As much as Ozzie says best available he does draft on need with his early picks. He would not draft Smith in the first round to sit on the bench for essentially a year. Upshaw was a position of need as JJ just left in free agency.

**GOTA** · 02-11-2013, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

What about Delanie Walker?

He is a FA. He's a good blocker as well as an underrated receiver.

If he leaves the 49ers it's going to be for a team that makes him the starter. With Pitta and Dickson I don't think he gets the touches he wants.

**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by srobert96

Clearly blinded by your hate of ND. Harrison Smith is already head and shoulders better than Zibby. Harrison Smith was excellent. Analyst have raved about his plays. He was on ESPN's all rookie team. Also Trevor Robinson did a great job as a rookie center for the Bengals. He made ESPN's all rookie team. Kyle Rudolph is not too bad as a 2nd year player either. Made it to the Pro Bowl this year.

As much as Ozzie says best available he does draft on need with his early picks. He would not draft Smith in the first round to sit on the bench for essentially a year. Upshaw was a position of need as JJ just left in free agency.

Good call.

I do think that some schools tend to have players be naturally overrated...USC, LSU, Ohio State, etc. Notre Dame is definitely in that category. Justifiably so though. They've had some incredible players come out of that program...Joe Montana, Tim Brown, and Jerome Bettis (to name a few).

This just comes down to teams having good scout teams and the ability to reasonably define if they meet their criteria for the value of the pick.

Personally, I think Manti T'eo is absolutely worth the 32nd overall pick and I'd be satisfied if Baltimore drafted him. He isn't the athlete that Alec Ogletree is, but T'eo is also a more fundamentally sound player (IMO).

**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

If he leaves the 49ers it's going to be for a team that makes him the starter. With Pitta and Dickson I don't think he gets the touches he wants.

Good point.

Arizona would be a good fit for him. They could use a receiving TE. Arians likes having solid TE's too.

**JAB1985** · 02-11-2013, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Quite possible. Lofton had multiple years of high production though...that deal might be too high for Ellerbe. Then again, not a bad price for a starting ILB.

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agreed, because Ellerbe is only 1-2 years of production max and a lot of injury woes, id expect him to get a little less on the market. I think Lofton is better in general. ILB is a devalued position, look how long those guys waited last year to get signed to basically minimal deals and were some of the best young LBs in the league (lofton, hawthorne, etc). I dont think there will be a long line of suitors waiting outside ellerbe's door at midnight (much like McClain who had a promising contract year as well). Letting him sit on the market for awhile may be the best choice so he gets a fair offer here. If I were the Ravens id offer him McClains contract with maybe an extra year and a little more guaranteed to show we like him better and wait till after the draft and ask McClain for a paycut if another ILB is acquired. frankly he didnt play like an average LB last year so I feel he could be replaced by a cheap vet for similar production. for 300k more id definitely rather have Hawthorne right now (hes only a reserve for NO) and honestly I think ellerbe compares better to him than lofton at this point.

**leachisabeast** · 02-11-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by srobert96

Clearly blinded by your hate of ND. Harrison Smith is already head and shoulders better than Zibby. Harrison Smith was excellent. Analyst have raved about his plays. He was on ESPN's all rookie team. Also Trevor Robinson did a great job as a rookie center for the Bengals. He made ESPN's all rookie team. Kyle Rudolph is not too bad as a 2nd year player either. Made it to the Pro Bowl this year.

As much as Ozzie says best available he does draft on need with his early picks. He would not draft Smith in the first round to sit on the bench for essentially a year. Upshaw was a position of need as JJ just left in free agency.

Hey man, I gave Harrison a ton of credit. Now I will still say that ND clearly have overrated talent. I thouroghly enjoyed every minute of that pounding they took from bama hahaha.

**GOTA** · 02-11-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Good point.

Arizona would be a good fit for him. They could use a receiving TE. Arians likes having solid TE's too.

I could see the Browns making a play for Walker. They have a ton of cap space and Ben Watson will not be back. Chud is a former TE and TE coach. He uses a lot of tight ends in his offense. The Browns are going to bring in a couple between free agency and the draft.

**wickedsolo** · 02-11-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I could see the Browns making a play for Walker. They have a ton of cap space and Ben Watson will not be back. Chud is a former TE and TE coach. He uses a lot of tight ends in his offense. The Browns are going to bring in a couple between free agency and the draft.

They could definitely use Walker.

Though, I'm not sure Walker will want to go to a team that likely doesn't have a shot at being good anytime soon. So, that could negate the Cardinals as well.

Chicago might be an option.