Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**bmorecareful** · 12-19-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mizerooskie

The discussion is a few pages old, but for a late round QB target, I really like Sean Renfree out of Duke.

Great size, good arm, decent mobility. Put up excellent numbers considering the lack of talent he had around him.

He was also coached by one of the best QB developers there is.

I don't think Sean Renfree is going to be drafted, but he would definitely be a very high priority UDFA for me. As you said, you gotta like that he was coached by the same guy who developed the Manning brothers. I haven't really watched any Duke games but he's got good measurables... don't like all the INTs though.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Good point. I like their wide receiver as well.

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Conner Vernon is a good player. I would like to get him in the 5th round, hopefully we'll have a number of compensatory picks this year to pile up the mid-round guys...

Speaking of mid-round wide receivers, would you guys take a chance on Marquess Wilson in the 4th or 5th round? A lot of people are scared off of him because of what happened with the coaching staff in Washington State, but honestly Mike Leach is such a scumbag that I wouldn't want to play for him either... not sure how much I'd hold that against him... think Wilson could be a really good fit for a lot of NFL offenses.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:22 AM

Does anybody know much about TJ Johnson out of South Carolina? Big mauling center, but he doesn't really seem to get much coverage? I thought he'd be at least a mid round prospect by this year...

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 07:23 AM

My issue with Wilson is that he is a bean pole.

Now, Randy Moss was a very lean 6'4" 205lb receiver...Wilson is about 25lbs lighter than that. He is VERY skinny.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Does anybody know much about TJ Johnson out of South Carolina? Big mauling center, but he doesn't really seem to get much coverage? I thought he'd be at least a mid round prospect by this year...

I watched Johnson vs. Florida. He's definitely mid round talent like you say. Really good size but I wasn't impressed with his power. Got to 2nd level okay IIRC but didn't do much when he got there.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I watched Johnson vs. Florida. He's definitely mid round talent like you say. Really good size but I wasn't impressed with his power. Got to 2nd level okay IIRC but didn't do much when he got there.

Right, thanks for that. Bearing in mind that he's coming up against more talented teams and players in the SEC. I'm still a big fan of Federick being a Wisconsin guy primarily, but I'm not sure if he's a good fit at all if we want to go all in on the ZBS. Mario Benevides would be better for that.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

I don't think Sean Renfree is going to be drafted, but he would definitely be a very high priority UDFA for me. As you said, you gotta like that he was coached by the same guy who developed the Manning brothers. I haven't really watched any Duke games but he's got good measurables...

And a warning for those who care about such things...Renfree has been described as a "quiet leader".

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Right, thanks for that. Bearing in mind that he's coming up against more talented teams and players in the SEC. I'm still a big fan of Federick being a Wisconsin guy primarily, but I'm not sure if he's a good fit at all if we want to go all in on the ZBS. Mario Benevides would be better for that.

I agree with Frederick and ZBS. Dude is very powerful and could become the highest non-tackle OL drafted in 2014 he stays. Guess we'll see what the new OC has planned for the OL

**bmorecareful** · 12-19-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

My issue with Wilson is that he is a bean pole.

Now, Randy Moss was a very lean 6'4" 205lb receiver...Wilson is about 25lbs lighter than that. He is VERY skinny.

He is definitely crazy thin, but he has the frame to put on weight at the NFL level. Like a lot of other talented college WRs, the coaches don't ask them to really hit the weight room hard at all. He has the kind of body control and ball tracking skills that you really can't teach... I'd rather have a guy with those skills who needs a year in the strength and conditioning program than a jacked up guy who doesn't understand the mechanics of the WR position.

Just go back and look at Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed... 2 of everybody's favorite WRs from the 08 draft, both of them were Combine/weight room heroes, neither one of them panned out at WR cause they were used to outmuscling everybody at the college level and had no technique and no real skillset.

Wilson also has never been injured in college IIRC despite making a lot of catches in traffic.

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

And a warning for those who care about such things...Renfree has been described as a "quiet leader".

Not necessarily saying I want a Philip Rivers/Tom Brady kind of "rah rah" guy if we choose to go in a different direction at QB, but as much as I mocked people in the past for pointing out Flacco's quiet demeanor/lack of "leadership," it was really hard to watch him strolling the sidelines on Sunday and sitting on the bench by himself... looking disinterested and like nothing was going on at all... I don't question a guy's mental state but he certainly was not showing the outward signs you expect a truly competitive guy to show.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-19-2012, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

McPhee has spent half the year injured, while Art Jones has only been a starter for some games. Not hard to put up better stats than players that are injured or rotational players when your an every down starter for a team that has it's defense out on the field 80 % of the time.

OUR defense has been out there for 80% of the time too! Lol.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

OUR defense has been out there for 80% of the time too! Lol.

True lol

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 03:17 PM

Mid round WRs that I like: Mississippi State's Chad Bumphis, Tennessee's Zach Rogers and SMU's Darius Johnson.

I'll have a higher valued WR in at least one version of my January mock.

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Mid round WRs that I like: Mississippi State's Chad Bumphis, Tennessee's Zach Rogers and SMU's Darius Johnson.

I'll have a higher valued WR in at least one version of my January mock.

Bumphis is intriguing.

I like Emory Blake out of Auburn, Markus Wheaton out of Oregon State, and possibly Roy Roundtree out of Michigan. I think Roundtree is pretty underrated as a receiver. He never had a real QB to throw him the ball and was always in a gadget offense.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Bumphis is intriguing.

I like Emory Blake out of Auburn, Markus Wheaton out of Oregon State, and possibly Roy Roundtree out of Michigan. I think Roundtree is pretty underrated as a receiver. He never had a real QB to throw him the ball and was always in a gadget offense.

Good point on Roundtree. I'll watch him this wknd.

Of Miss State's 2800 passing yards Bumphis has 900+; and of 22 receiving TDs he has 12. All while probably drawing safety-over most of the time. He has Steve Smith thickness and shows good feet and change of direction on a couple of punt returns. Need to see actual game film though.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-19-2012, 04:19 PM

Alot of mocks have Te'o going to Detroit at 6, or the Browns at 9. Now the Browns wouldn't make much sense as they have DQ"well and they have more obvious pressing needs. The Lions thats a iffy but I don't see that organization making a move like that, I'd look at more of a DE/OLB for them making more sense.

But essentially thats all I'm wondering, is he worth this years 1st and 2nd, next years 1st and a 4th? Because thats what Atlanta gave up to jump up to 6th to get Jones.

**Ravenalytics** · 12-19-2012, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Alot of mocks have Te'o going to Detroit at 6, or the Browns at 9. Now the Browns wouldn't make much sense as they have DQ"well and they have more obvious pressing needs. The Lions thats a iffy but I don't see that organization making a move like that, I'd look at more of a DE/OLB for them making more sense.

But essentially thats all I'm wondering, is he worth this years 1st and 2nd, next years 1st and a 4th? Because thats what Atlanta gave up to jump up to 6th to get Jones.

I vote yes. This offseason is going to be a sea change, and to re-inspire the organization, you need to draft your next cornerstone player.

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Alot of mocks have Te'o going to Detroit at 6, or the Browns at 9. Now the Browns wouldn't make much sense as they have DQ"well and they have more obvious pressing needs. The Lions thats a iffy but I don't see that organization making a move like that, I'd look at more of a DE/OLB for them making more sense.

But essentially thats all I'm wondering, is he worth this years 1st and 2nd, next years 1st and a 4th? Because thats what Atlanta gave up to jump up to 6th to get Jones.

If they are going to make a move like that, then it should really be for Luke Joeckel.

**bmorecareful** · 12-19-2012, 05:24 PM

You don't mortgage your future for an ILB.

The only guys you mortgage your future for are those who: 1) throw the football, 2) protect the guy who throws the football (and this includes elite WRs who he can throw to anytime, anyplace), or 3) attack the other team's guy who throws the football.

In THIS particular draft, I don't think there are really any ultra-elite prospects worth giving up a whole draft for. We're just too thin everywhere. A guy like Luke Joeckel is a good player but I wouldn't move up 20 spots for him, honestly.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

You don't mortgage your future for an ILB.

The only guys you mortgage your future for are those who: 1) throw the football, 2) protect the guy who throws the football (and this includes elite WRs who he can throw to anytime, anyplace), or 3) attack the other team's guy who throws the football.

In THIS particular draft, I don't think there are really any ultra-elite prospects worth giving up a whole draft for. We're just too thin everywhere. A guy like Luke Joeckel is a good player but I wouldn't move up 20 spots for him, honestly.

Luke Joekel isn't that good, frankly, he isn't as good as last years top LT prospect (Matt Kalil) either.

I think if he's there 5 spots before we're picking, I'm all for it. But I'd rather wait, and take a chance on a smaller school prospect in Eric Fisher, who remains a very underrated prospect from what I've seen.

And I agree about the ILB point. I wouldn't trade up 10 spaces for Teo, and he's probably my favourite college player since Adrian Peterson.

It's all about value to me. Why trade up 10 spaces for Joekel or Teo, when you can wait for players like Fisher and Kevin Minter to drop.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

If they are going to make a move like that, then it should really be for Luke Joeckel.

Dig. I'd celebrate a trade up for The Joker if we cant make anything happen in FA (Albert, for example).

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think if he's there 5 spots before we're picking, I'm all for it. But I'd rather wait, and take a chance on a smaller school prospect in Eric Fisher, who remains a very underrated prospect from what I've seen.
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Watch PIT take Fisher. I can see it coming.